Mercy To Your Enemy?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok but what's the point of punishment if you forgive her?

I'm not sure that you understand what "forgiveness" means in a Christian context. As I said, forgivness is not the same as a reprieve. Obviously, the reason for imprisoning a known mass murderer is to prevent her from killing anyone else.

Ok, now it makes sense.

[Excelsion]

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what the actual fuck

Lol

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Controlled by magic or not, you killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands people with your own hands. Are you absolved from those actions just because you had no control over them, just like a mentally ill person in our world?

Considering she used mind control on you, yes, you are absolved.

[Krasny-Volny]

Forgiveness is not the same thing as a reprieve. The question in the OP is whether you kill your enemy for the sake of revenge or justice, or pass her over into the hands of the lawful authorities in accordance with due process. It's stated that in this scenario, she will spend the rest of her life under imprisonment, as is right and proper.

Ok but what's the point of punishment if you forgive her?

No.

I am against me punishing my enemies personally for the sake of vengeance.

Romans 12:17-19 says, "Repay no one for evil...do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written: 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay,' says the Lord."

I have to respect the decision of the courts if they sentence my enemy. I have to respect respect the judgment of God if He exacts vengeance on her. But I cannot hate my enemy or avenge myself on her.

So you're just passing off judgement to the authorities then. But if you forgive her anyway then what's the point in turning her in. Then again, that wasn't what you said, so would you just forgive her and leave her alone?

Matthew 22:17 - "Tell us therefore, what do you think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

The answer in Matthew 22:21 -"Render therefore to Caesar what are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Render unto the authorities the judgment which is theirs to pronounce.

Render forgiveness in accordance with the commandment of Christ.

[Earthbound Immortal Squad]

Kill them it's the only chance to possibly put right all the damage.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok but what's the point of punishment if you forgive her?

So you're just passing off judgement to the authorities then. But if you forgive her anyway then what's the point in turning her in. Then again, that wasn't what you said, so would you just forgive her and leave her alone?

Matthew 22:17 - "Tell us therefore, what do you think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

The answer in Matthew 22:21 -"Render therefore to Caesar what are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

Render unto the authorities the judgment which is theirs to pronounce.

Render forgiveness in accordance with the commandment of Christ.

Thank you for the explanation. I understand now.

[Purpelia]

Would be shocking for her, I can imagine, she sounds as dense as the population density of Mumbai.

Pragmatically speaking it doesnt make a difference whether you kill her or not. The world will still hate magic users, now even more than before and magic users will still foster hatred. While killing her is the obvious choice, it won't change the grander picture and at some point, history will foolishly repeat, with other chess pieces.
Also what about you. Controlled by magic or not, you killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands people with your own hands. Are you absolved from those actions just because you had no control over them, just like a mentally ill person in our world?
Now some people could argue that Annie was mentally ill
too, does that mean she is absolved from killing?

Its all not that simple. Also, I think those hitler comparisons are rather distasteful. Hitler had a goal and hatred for no justifiable reason. And he killed people because of different ngenetics. Annie just had burning hatred for anything and everthing. She killed her own kind too, a lot of them at that.

Given that YOU are the one with the biggest stick in this scenario yes. Unless of course you have some sort of self harm complex and decide not to grant your self absolution. Weird but like to each his own.

[Excelsion]

Pragmatically speaking it doesnt make a difference whether you kill her or not. The world will still hate magic users, now even more than before and magic users will still foster hatred. While killing her is the obvious choice, it won't change the grander picture and at some point, history will foolishly repeat, with other chess pieces.
Also what about you. Controlled by magic or not, you killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands people with your own hands. Are you absolved from those actions just because you had no control over them, just like a mentally ill person in our world?
Now some people could argue that Annie was mentally ill
too, does that mean she is absolved from killing?

Its all not that simple. Also, I think those hitler comparisons are rather distasteful. Hitler had a goal and hatred for no justifiable reason. And he killed people because of different ngenetics. Annie just had burning hatred for anything and everthing. She killed her own kind too, a lot of them at that.

Given that YOU are the one with the biggest stick in this scenario yes. Unless of course you have some sort of self harm complex and decide not to grant your self absolution. Weird but like to each his own.

So in short - "Might makes right" - is what you say?

[Umpus]

why the fvck is she doing this anyway lol

Her actions are in part motivated by a desire for revenge against humanity for mistreating her during her childhood for being a witch.

would she not just kill the bullys and move on?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Her actions are in part motivated by a desire for revenge against humanity for mistreating her during her childhood for being a witch.

would she not just kill the bullys and move on?

Hate isn't always rational.

[Andsed]

Would be shocking for her, I can imagine, she sounds as dense as the population density of Mumbai.

Pragmatically speaking it doesnt make a difference whether you kill her or not. The world will still hate magic users, now even more than before and magic users will still foster hatred. While killing her is the obvious choice, it won't change the grander picture and at some point, history will foolishly repeat, with other chess pieces.
Also what about you. Controlled by magic or not, you killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands people with your own hands. Are you absolved from those actions just because you had no control over them, just like a mentally ill person in our world?
Now some people could argue that Annie was mentally ill
too, does that mean she is absolved from killing?

Its all not that simple. Also, I think those hitler comparisons are rather distasteful. Hitler had a goal and hatred for no justifiable reason. And he killed people because of different ngenetics. Annie just had burning hatred for anything and everthing. She killed her own kind too, a lot of them at that.

Also what about you. Controlled by magic or not, you killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands people with your own hands. Are you absolved from those actions just because you had no control over them, just like a mentally ill person in our world?

That is quite frankly pure bullshit. Mind control means you have no control over your actions what so ever. You did not make the choice to kill people. A mentally ill person did make that choice.

[Munkchester]

I marry her.

wait, that's another thread

[Excelsion]

Well then we agree to disagree.

[Andsed]

Well then we agree to disagree.

If your talking to me well then I want you to explain how the hell someone is responsible for something they did not choose to do and were made to do by someone controlling their body and mind.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well then we agree to disagree.

If your talking to me well then I want you to explain how the hel* someone is responsible for something they did not choose to do and were made to do by someone controlling their body and mind.

^This. There is no debate on this here. You were forced out of control of your own body by someone else. There is no "Well I could still control myself". No you can't. Excelsion, you don't know how mind control works if yiu think that someone still has control of their body.

[Umpus]

would she not just kill the bullys and move on?

Hate isn't always rational.

sooooooooooo...she is literally insane?

[Esternial]

Would be shocking for her, I can imagine, she sounds as dense as the population density of Mumbai.

Pragmatically speaking it doesnt make a difference whether you kill her or not. The world will still hate magic users, now even more than before and magic users will still foster hatred. While killing her is the obvious choice, it won't change the grander picture and at some point, history will foolishly repeat, with other chess pieces.
Also what about you. Controlled by magic or not, you killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands people with your own hands. Are you absolved from those actions just because you had no control over them, just like a mentally ill person in our world?
Now some people could argue that Annie was mentally ill
too, does that mean she is absolved from killing?

Its all not that simple. Also, I think those hitler comparisons are rather distasteful. Hitler had a goal and hatred for no justifiable reason. And he killed people because of different ngenetics. Annie just had burning hatred for anything and everthing. She killed her own kind too, a lot of them at that.

It would make a difference for me. Ding dong the witch is gone.

Am I absolved from my actions because I was magically mind-controlled? I wouldn't say so, but I wouldn't accept being punished for those actions. If people try to kill me, I'll defend myself.

I'd probably follow the example of Mads Mikkelson in Polar.

[Andsed]

Hate isn't always rational.

sooooooooooo...she is literally insane?

Uh no she just has an irrational hatred of a group of people. Those kind people are not uncommon we call them raciest.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Hate isn't always rational.

sooooooooooo...she is literally insane?

In the meantime, Witch Queen Annie consolidates her control over Europe. She uses a large amount of her magic to create and summon a large army of dragons, wraiths, and war goblins; the largest in history. Using this large powerful dark army, she starts burning and invading entire nations. Many towns are incinerated by magical fire and millions are killed.

Of course she's insane. Either that or just a very murderous person.

[Purpelia]

Given that YOU are the one with the biggest stick in this scenario yes. Unless of course you have some sort of self harm complex and decide not to grant your self absolution. Weird but like to each his own.

So in short - "Might makes right" - is what you say?

Not might, power. Although admittedly in this particular case the one stems from the other.

[Esternial]

Those kind people are not uncommon we call them raciest.

Just how I like them ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Purpelia]

Who cares? She lost. Worse, she got on my bad side and angered me. She is literally in luck that she is a threat to me as long as she lives so she has to die quickly.

[Excelsion]

sooooooooooo...she is literally insane?

Uh no she just has an irrational hatred of a group of people. Those kind people are not uncommon we call them raciest.

Dont throw words like racist around when you seemingly have no idea what it means. Not everyone and everthing related to hate is racist, sexist or hitler.

[Excelsion]

If your talking to me well then I want you to explain how the hel* someone is responsible for something they did not choose to do and were made to do by someone controlling their body and mind.

^This. There is no debate on this here. You were forced out of control of your own body by someone else. There is no "Well I could still control myself". No you can't. Excelsion, you don't know how mind control works if yiu think that someone still has control of their body.

I understand what mind control means. Nonwithstanding its still your body acting and murdering.

Lets imagine you have multiple personality disorder. If your 2nd persona murdered people your body would still go to jail, even if you, the first persona is in power after murdering again.
It is you who doesnt really get or tries to get my point.

[Purpelia]

^This. There is no debate on this here. You were forced out of control of your own body by someone else. There is no "Well I could still control myself". No you can't. Excelsion, you don't know how mind control works if yiu think that someone still has control of their body.

I understand what mind control means. Nonwithstanding its still your body acting and murdering.

Lets imagine you have multiple personality disorder. If your 2nd persona murdered people your body would still go to jail, even if you, the first persona is in power after murdering again.
It is you who doesnt really get or tries to get my point.

It's not the same at all. There the different personalities are still an aspect of your greater whole where as here the force compelling you to do these things is entirely external. They are of you, this is not.

A better analogy would be a car crash. Say you were driving on the street when suddenly the guy behind you slams into your car forcing you off the road and into a pedestrian. Is it really you who ran that guy over?