Was the New Left a Mistake?

[Communal concils]

I'm not a social conservative, simply because I seek to abolish everything a conservative values. I want to abolish today's gender norms, and I question the importance of societies views on marriage.

I do care for people of various Backgrounds, I just don't believe in the Liberal concept of magically making people cooperate.
Just so you know, I am anti-Racist , Anti Imperialist and anti-Fascist. So there is nothing reactionary about my beliefs.

You have repeatedly said on previous occasions that you want to ban non-reproductive sex. You have definite traits of social conservatism, and you are quite reactionary regarding sexual matters:

people aren't allowed to have Non-reproductive sex. However the sex allowed would be focused on Natalism. Their will be attempts to show the populous the reproductive method is better than those that don't make offspring. celibacy and asexualism would be encourage as a method for those that don't chose reproduction.

That still doesn't make me conservative. My opposition of Libertine and Free "love" world views is not base on a conservative concept of degeneracy. I simply want to prevent STD epidemics, sexual abuse and other issues. I believe in a non-patriarchical society, I believe in Birth Control, and I want to prevent people from being seen as objects for others.

[Petrolheadia]

At best, it's unofficial Social democracy. At worse, it's Liberalism that likes the color red, and it is unconsciously loving the bourgeoisie lifestyle. Every time they look at historical
examples of their desired system, they have idealistic fantasy about it, or they complain about it not going their way.

Looks like my kind of left.

I don't care about the commie rhetoric, the only attractive thing for me in the left is being able to buy a Tesla Model S on Jeff Bezos' redistributed dime.

[Petrolheadia]

New leftism? Oh god no, anything but more leftists.

It's only "new" in relative terms. It hails from the days of segregation, paisley and vinyl roofs.

[Communal concils]

not only that, it gave up the ideal of class warfare and a populistic revolution. Without that, it's useless.
In general, i hate leftist groups that affiliate with liberal and Neo-liberal social views.

Now, I'm just a 'filthy' rightist to you, but I think there is much benefit in having a more civilized 'left' at the negotiating table. I really think we on the right could learn a thing or two about making large multinationals respect popular and national interest. Meanwhile class warfare just breeds excessive hate, making people separate from one another in preparation for a grand war/revolution which will, let's face it, no longer ever happen.

I believe that it's best to abolish Multinational companies, especially foreign ones.I believe in controlled immigration and protectionism, so that's another thing we can agree on. As for the revolution, Class Warfare is national. Usually the lower class is the majority of a nation, so to support a Proletariat revolution is a patriotic( or even Nationalistic ) action.

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

No, but it was unnecessary. It sat in an awkward position between liberal and more left wing ideas that didn’t go well together. It was also was very temporary.

[Costa Fierro]

So basically this boils down to "THEY'RE NOT REAL LEFTISTS *insert screaming frog noises here*"? The New Left was a mistake for a lot of other reasons, simply not being dogmatic enough isn't one of them.

[Sada Difrium]

While it's arguable whether the New Left helped advance leftist causes or harmed leftism, I think that the student movements were extremely admirable. Encouraging young people and students to make themselves heard is important if you want to maintain a healthy democracy.

[The Great-German Empire]

I believe that it's best to abolish Multinational companies, especially foreign ones.I believe in controlled immigration and protectionism, so that's another thing we can agree on. As for the revolution, Class Warfare is national. Usually the lower class is the majority of a nation, so to support a Proletariat revolution is a patriotic( or even Nationalistic ) action.

I will not start a political argument with you, especially on a thread about the New Left which neither of us support, but know that I find this reasoning deeply flawed as well as unreflective of the current social stratification.

[Communal concils]

At best, it's unofficial Social democracy. At worse, it's Liberalism that likes the color red, and it is unconsciously loving the bourgeoisie lifestyle. Every time they look at historical
examples of their desired system, they have idealistic fantasy about it, or they complain about it not going their way.

Looks like my kind of left.

I don't care about the commie rhetoric, the only attractive thing for me in the left is being able to buy a Tesla Model S on Jeff Bezos' redistributed dime.

A Very sad thing.

[Communal concils]

I believe that it's best to abolish Multinational companies, especially foreign ones.I believe in controlled immigration and protectionism, so that's another thing we can agree on. As for the revolution, Class Warfare is national. Usually the lower class is the majority of a nation, so to support a Proletariat revolution is a patriotic( or even Nationalistic ) action.

I will not start a political argument with you, especially on a thread about the New Left which neither of us support, but know that I find this reasoning deeply flawed as well as unreflective of the current social stratification.

Enemy of my Enemy is my friend.

[Communal concils]

So basically this boils down to "THEY'RE NOT REAL LEFTISTS *insert screaming frog noises here*"? The New Left was a mistake for a lot of other reasons, simply not being dogmatic enough isn't one of them.

The argument is more like " they are a bastardization of it".I believe they have ineffective means to their goals. From what I seen, the argument of "Not real leftist" is associated with LeftComs (who attracted the very people i dislike).

[Communal concils]

No, but it was unnecessary. It sat in an awkward position between liberal and more left wing ideas that didn’t go well together. It was also was very temporary.

Nice opinion.

[Sada Difrium]

Looks like my kind of left.

I don't care about the commie rhetoric, the only attractive thing for me in the left is being able to buy a Tesla Model S on Jeff Bezos' redistributed dime.

A Very sad thing.

Sad for Jeff Bezos maybe. Good for the rest of us.

[The New California Republic]

That still doesn't make me conservative. My opposition of Libertine and Free "love" world views is not base on a conservative concept of degeneracy. I simply want to prevent STD epidemics, sexual abuse and other issues.

Sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Wanting to ban non-reproductive sex is conservative and reactionary, regardless of your other views.

[Auzkhia]

Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.

^this.

As a libertarian socialist, I oppose all forms of unjust hierarchies. Opposing capitalism isn't enough. One should oppose white supremacy, imperialism, patriarchy, homophobia, and transphobia. You cans say are anti-racist, but just saying it is not direct action. Nationalism isn't helping either. Marx said workers of the world, not workers of Germany.

[Communal concils]

That still doesn't make me conservative. My opposition of Libertine and Free "love" world views is not base on a conservative concept of degeneracy. I simply want to prevent STD epidemics, sexual abuse and other issues.

Sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Wanting to ban non-reproductive sex is conservative and reactionary, regardless of your other views.

What kind of reactionary is supports birth control, what kind of reactionary is fine with asexualism?

Honestly,I don't seek to go back to a previous form of relationship and love. I want to form a new form, one that doesn't harm the human body, and one that doesn't alienate.

Like Fascism, reactionary is used out of it's own definition. It's misused!

[Christian Confederation]

If you mean the sjws, socalist, etc of the current left yes.

The idea of equall rights was handled in the 60-70s than without a goal the 3rd wave (modern) left started to whine and complain about stupid things like manspreading, mansplaining, rape culture etc.

[Soviet-American Combine]

Civil rights are part of the class struggle. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about this.

[Communal concils]

If you mean the sjws, socalist, etc of the current left yes.

The idea of equall rights was handled in the 60-70s than without a goal the 3rd wave (modern) left started to whine and complain about stupid things like manspreading, mansplaining, rape culture etc.

Even with these individuals, Leftism of today isn't completely like this.

[The New California Republic]

Sledgehammer to crack a walnut. Wanting to ban non-reproductive sex is conservative and reactionary, regardless of your other views.

What kind of reactionary is supports birth control, what kind of reactionary is fine with asexualism?

Honestly,I don't seek to go back to a previous form of relationship and love. I want to form a new form, one that doesn't harm the human body, and one that doesn't alienate.

Like Fascism, reactionary is used out of it's own definition. It's misused!

You are reacting to "free love" by wanting to ban non-reproductive sex; I'd say that qualifies your view as reactionary. And your supporting arguments for this view thus far have quite frankly been abysmal.

[Communal concils]

Civil rights are part of the class struggle. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about this.

I wasn't criticizing civil rights, but rather the methods of doing it.

[Soviet-American Combine]

“I want a form of sex that doesn’t harm the body”

What?

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Hot take: You're just a social conservative that can't grasp the fact that the social order of the day is in part, motivated by the very capitalist oppression you claim to want to destroy, and yet you want to continue to uphold it, because you don't care about the liberation of oppressed peoples everywhere, only the liberation of yourself.

^this.

As a libertarian socialist, I oppose all forms of unjust hierarchies. Opposing capitalism isn't enough. One should oppose white supremacy, imperialism, patriarchy, homophobia, and transphobia. You cans say are anti-racist, but just saying it is not direct action. Nationalism isn't helping either. Marx said workers of the world, not workers of Germany.

A good chunk of those hierarchies no longer exist, except in the minds of grievance studies professors.

[Soviet-American Combine]

I wasn't criticizing civil rights, but rather the methods of doing it.

Ok. Where’s the speech on Leninism?

Oh right, you probably haven’t read any Lenin.

[The New California Republic]

“I want a form of sex that doesn’t harm the body”

What?

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