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Duhon wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Parcia wrote:Unfolds Lawn Chair, pops Popcorn.

This gonna be fuckin fun bois.

I'm glad politics serves to entertain you.

Scomagia wrote:

Duhon wrote:
Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Look, all I'm saying is that you're seeing war where it isn't. You're jumping the gun. I'd bet on sanctions and increased espionage being the outcome here, not war.

Duhon wrote:

Scomagia wrote:Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Old Tyrannia wrote:

Duhon wrote:
Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Duhon: *** Warned for trolling. *** We don't wish death on people here.

Seythennia wrote:Maybe if we do end up at war with Iran, we'll end up putting the Pahlavis back in power. Again.

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I'm glad politics serves to entertain you.

Politics doesn't entertain you?

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Iran sponsors terrorists. Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorists. The US sponsors terrorists. Russia sponsors terrorists. China sponsors terrorists. Everybody is sponsoring terrorists.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Iran sponsors terrorists. Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorists. The US sponsors terrorists. Russia sponsors terrorists. China sponsors terrorists. Everybody is sponsoring terrorists.

Praefectura Praetorio Italiae wrote:I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Praefectura Praetorio Italiae wrote:I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

A rehash of Shah Reza Pahlavi?

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Welp bets on a war starting?

North German Realm wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:A rehash of Shah Reza Pahlavi?

Reza Shah Pahlavi, but yeah. A modern Reza Shah could probably fix the shit that the IR threw Iran into. I hope. I'm not sure even that guy could fix this tbh.

Zrhajan wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Reza Shah Pahlavi, but yeah. A modern Reza Shah could probably fix the shit that the IR threw Iran into. I hope. I'm not sure even that guy could fix this tbh.

So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

North German Realm wrote:

Zrhajan wrote:So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

Baltenstein wrote:

North German Realm wrote:The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

So kinda like Egypt's Sisi then? I mean he's not exactly anti-religious - but he did away with the Muslim Brotherhood and governs Egypt like a 20th Century military dicatorship. And he seems to emphasize Egyptian nationalism over pan-Muslim unity in his political vision.

North German Realm wrote:

Baltenstein wrote:
So kinda like Egypt's Sisi then? I mean he's not exactly anti-religious - but he did away with the Muslim Brotherhood and governs Egypt like a 20th Century military dicatorship. And he seems to emphasize Egyptian nationalism over pan-Muslim unity in his political vision.

Reza Shah in particular was more like Nasser or -more accurately- Ataturk, just monarchist tbh. Much as I personally dislike both, they were undoubtedly necessary for their time, as was Reza Shah. Sadly, his kind is needed again.

Baltenstein wrote:

North German Realm wrote:Reza Shah in particular was more like Nasser or -more accurately- Ataturk, just monarchist tbh. Much as I personally dislike both, they were undoubtedly necessary for their time, as was Reza Shah. Sadly, his kind is needed again.

Were could this figure potentially come from? Nasser, Ataturk - and Sisi, incidentally - all had/have a military background. Could the Iranian military provide a secular dicator type or are they too compromised by the IR?

Nakena wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I hate Iran, probably more than most Neocons

Why?

Praefectura Praetorio Italiae wrote:I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

Eternal Lotharia wrote:

New Udonia wrote:.
We were told Gaddafi was a horrible dictator. Turns out his nation was Africa's last chance for stability, targeted simply because he dared to exile a certain international banking family.
We were recently told Assad was a child killing monster. That was until the gas "victims" appeared alive in Europe, disavowing the smear campaign by the White Helmets.
Now we are told that Iran is trying to attack NATO.

I hope nobody falls for this crap again.

Both of those two are demonstrably false and I am disgusted you disrespect the victim's lives like that.

Assad has also done ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Stop defending Arab Hitler #2.

Also, Gaddaffi was an unpopular brutal dictator. Stop reading russian propaganda.

North German Realm wrote:

Zrhajan wrote:So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

Behran wrote:

Praefectura Praetorio Italiae wrote:I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

As Iranian I find this very offensive, I have family members who were tortured and killed by the Shah's regime, we don't want to be ruled by western puppets.