Iran's attempted terrorist attacks on the U.S. and Europe

[Scomagia]

Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Look, all I'm saying is that you're seeing war where it isn't. You're jumping the gun. I'd bet on sanctions and increased espionage being the outcome here, not war.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Iran sponsors terrorists. Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorists. The US sponsors terrorists. Russia sponsors terrorists. China sponsors terrorists. Everybody is sponsoring terrorists.

[Seythennia]

Maybe if we do end up at war with Iran, we'll end up putting the Pahlavis back in power. Again.

Unfolds Lawn Chair, pops Popcorn.

This gonna be fuckin fun bois.

I'm glad politics serves to entertain you.

Politics doesn't entertain you?

[Duhon]

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Look, all I'm saying is that you're seeing war where it isn't. You're jumping the gun. I'd bet on sanctions and increased espionage being the outcome here, not war.

I'm jumping the gun because this admin is anything but normal, and this Congress anything but disinclined to adventurism on foreign shores.

[Old Tyrannia]

Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Duhon: *** Warned for trolling. *** We don't wish death on people here.

[Duhon]

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

Duhon: *** Warned for trolling. *** We don't wish death on people here.

Ah.

[North German Realm]

Maybe if we do end up at war with Iran, we'll end up putting the Pahlavis back in power. Again.

I'm glad politics serves to entertain you.

Politics doesn't entertain you?

Much as I hope that to come to be, and much as monarchist sentiments have become more visible in Iran again, that is not very likely in case of war. Which, honestly I doubt that's what is going to happen. Iran's going to cave much sooner than that.

[Outer Sparta]

Iran sponsors terrorists. Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorists. The US sponsors terrorists. Russia sponsors terrorists. China sponsors terrorists. Everybody is sponsoring terrorists.

To say everybody sponsors terrorists is a blanket statement, don't ya think?

[North German Realm]

Iran sponsors terrorists. Saudi Arabia sponsors terrorists. The US sponsors terrorists. Russia sponsors terrorists. China sponsors terrorists. Everybody is sponsoring terrorists.

Sure, but the other four countries don't have an organization as a legal branch of their armed forces that is for all intents and purposes an ideologically driven terrorist organization that does not, independently, owe loyalty to any individual sovereign State. Iran does.

[Praefectura Praetorio Italiae]

I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

[Outer Sparta]

I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

A rehash of Shah Reza Pahlavi?

[North German Realm]

I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

A rehash of Shah Reza Pahlavi?

Reza Shah Pahlavi, but yeah. A modern Reza Shah could probably fix the shit that the IR threw Iran into. I hope. I'm not sure even that guy could fix this tbh.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Welp bets on a war starting?

[North German Realm]

Welp bets on a war starting?

Given how much Trump's been baiting Iran to start something this last two years, I doubt this will go anywhere either tbh. They didn't start flying those missiles around when Trump left BarJam, they didn't start flying those missiles when Trump started putting the worst sanctions the regime has faced this last... what, 25 years? all of a sudden. They didn't start flying those missiles around when he pretty much let go of Israel's leash and let it target and eliminate any IRGC base of operation it wanted in Syria and Iraq. They didn't start flying those missiles around when he got Iraq to banish all "military advisers" after the election. They're not gonna start throwing missiles around now that The US has the best auto they need to just start sinking their commerce ships at a minute's notice. I'm sure he wants a war to start, but Iran knows it can't hope to win -especially with how Russia's been abandoning them on every front recently.

[Zrhajan]

A rehash of Shah Reza Pahlavi?

Reza Shah Pahlavi, but yeah. A modern Reza Shah could probably fix the shit that the IR threw Iran into. I hope. I'm not sure even that guy could fix this tbh.

So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

[North German Realm]

Reza Shah Pahlavi, but yeah. A modern Reza Shah could probably fix the shit that the IR threw Iran into. I hope. I'm not sure even that guy could fix this tbh.

So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

[Baltenstein]

So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

So kinda like Egypt's Sisi then? I mean he's not exactly anti-religious - but he did away with the Muslim Brotherhood and governs Egypt like a 20th Century military dicatorship. And he seems to emphasize Egyptian nationalism over pan-Muslim unity in his political vision.

[North German Realm]

The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

So kinda like Egypt's Sisi then? I mean he's not exactly anti-religious - but he did away with the Muslim Brotherhood and governs Egypt like a 20th Century military dicatorship. And he seems to emphasize Egyptian nationalism over pan-Muslim unity in his political vision.

Reza Shah in particular was more like Nasser or -more accurately- Ataturk, just monarchist tbh. Much as I personally dislike both, they were undoubtedly necessary for their time, as was Reza Shah. Sadly, his kind is needed again.

[Baltenstein]

So kinda like Egypt's Sisi then? I mean he's not exactly anti-religious - but he did away with the Muslim Brotherhood and governs Egypt like a 20th Century military dicatorship. And he seems to emphasize Egyptian nationalism over pan-Muslim unity in his political vision.

Reza Shah in particular was more like Nasser or -more accurately- Ataturk, just monarchist tbh. Much as I personally dislike both, they were undoubtedly necessary for their time, as was Reza Shah. Sadly, his kind is needed again.

Were could this figure potentially come from? Nasser, Ataturk - and Sisi, incidentally - all had/have a military background. Could the Iranian military provide a secular dicator type or are they too compromised by the IR?

[North German Realm]

Reza Shah in particular was more like Nasser or -more accurately- Ataturk, just monarchist tbh. Much as I personally dislike both, they were undoubtedly necessary for their time, as was Reza Shah. Sadly, his kind is needed again.

Were could this figure potentially come from? Nasser, Ataturk - and Sisi, incidentally - all had/have a military background. Could the Iranian military provide a secular dicator type or are they too compromised by the IR?

Honestly, if we have to look, there's probably some circles in the Artesh that still have not lost the nationalist sensibilities they had back in the 80s. Goodness knows nobody from the Sepah is gonna rise for Iran -almost all of them owe loyalty to the revolution, and most of them ironically despise Iran and Iranians-, but maybe someone from the Artesh (The Iranian Army) may rise? I don't know, heavens know I am neither a military man nor one who hangs around military circles to know.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I hate Iran, probably more than most Neocons

Why?

Because they tried to spread their Shiite revolution in the 1980's to Iraq.

[Behran]

I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

As Iranian I find this very offensive, I have family members who were tortured and killed by the Shah's regime, we don't want to be ruled by western puppets.

[United Muscovite Nations]

.
We were told Gaddafi was a horrible dictator. Turns out his nation was Africa's last chance for stability, targeted simply because he dared to exile a certain international banking family.
We were recently told Assad was a child killing monster. That was until the gas "victims" appeared alive in Europe, disavowing the smear campaign by the White Helmets.
Now we are told that Iran is trying to attack NATO.

I hope nobody falls for this crap again.

Both of those two are demonstrably false and I am disgusted you disrespect the victim's lives like that.

Assad has also done ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Stop defending Arab Hitler #2.

Also, Gaddaffi was an unpopular brutal dictator. Stop reading russian propaganda.

What is more brutal, Gaddafi, or 8 years of civil war that have caused Libya to lose as much as 1/6 to 1/3 of its population?

[Duhon]

So, the guy who's repressive regime directly inspired the IR would be the perfect person to fix it? Seems legit.

The guy who's hated so much by the regime they've tried to hide everything about it, you mean. And yes. An Anti-religious militarist nationalist dictator may be necessary for Iran to survive the hell the new Qajars have thrown it into. Hell, even the Qajars didn't fuck up this much in their 200 years. It shames me to admit that democracy, at this stage, will only harm Iran but it is -sadly- the truth. We -the Iranians- need Pahlavis again. We specifically need a Reza Shah. Or else Iran will die in this very generation, either victim of secession and balkanization or as a concept.

A shit cycle, then, where any attempt at a democracy that will truly serve the Iranian people rather than imprison them is cockblocked, by monarch, by mullah, by Iranians and nationals alike --

[North German Realm]

I hope Iran's current government is removed from power and I would like to see the Shahs
to come back to power. They weren't bad leaders. Unlike the current government in Iran.

As Iranian I find this very offensive, I have family members who were tortured and killed by the Shah's regime, we don't want to be ruled by western puppets.

As an Iranian, I find your assumption that "We" don't want to be ruled by a monarchy even more offensive. You either don't live in Iran or live in a very small bubble.