Iran's attempted terrorist attacks on the U.S. and Europe

[Myrensis]

Saying Iran helped Al Qaeda and the Taliban is literally the most stupidest thing ever, both groups are enemies of Iran who has fought them multiple times.

Well we can't exactly be admitting that the Saudis are by a wide margin the biggest source of funding and recruitment for Islamic terrorist groups all over the world, including Al Qaeda and the Taliban, they're our friends! And besides, we need them to help oppose Iran, who don't you know fund terrorists!?!

[Risottia]

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It's not exactly a surprise that Iran supports terrorism. Iran has been implicated in the U.S.S. Cole naval ship bombing, the 1998 Embassy bombings in both Kenya and Tanzania,

...

Wait. So the new strategy by Trump's spin doctors is gravedigging old Al-Qaeda attacks (that is Sunni organisation led by a Saudi prince) and blaming them on Shiite Iran? Exactly while Congress are calling for the US to stop supporting the Saudi aggression war in Yemen?

Seriously.

[Heloin]

I'm glad you're the only person on this earth outside of al-Qaeda who seems to know were Zawahiri is, lots of governments would like to know that information, including the Iranian. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a group that actively fights Iran and Syria, is funded by Iran and Syria? And to add to that Iran openly supports and funds Hezbollah, a group that also is actively fighting al-Qaeda.

Here's your problem you're only looking at things cosmetically, Zawhiri's location is public knowledge you can find thousands of articles on this from regional experts, analysts and journalists everyone who follows events in this region knows this,

HTS may openly be opposed to Iran but reality states differently, these people sell captured weapons from their rivals to the PKK for income and perhaps I did not make it clear enough that there are spies in this organization that have ties to the intelligence agencies of Qatar, Iran, Turkey and Bashar al-Assad as well, these organizations exchange information and make deals obviously this isn't publicized for very obvious reasons. The leadership of HTS which consists of Abu Muhammad al-Joulani, Abu Maria al-Qahtani, and Abu Abdullah al-Shami are extremely selfish individuals with purely opportunistic ambitions, so it is not out of character or unexpected of them to make illicit deals with Iran via Qatar which has a strong relationship with HTS through their main agent Abu Maria to withdraw from locations, attack other groups, sell weapons, and exchange prisoners and intel, this is the reality of HTS.

Al-Qaeda has even issued statements calling on the group and its affiliates to never directly attack Iran because of their fragile relationship, I never said that AQ or Iran like each other but to deny their cooperation is as I said ignorant, their relationship is one of need not of love but this relationship has enabled Iran to manipulate AQ in various ways and infiltrate the organization as well namely in Syria where as I explained above the group is compromised by spies from Qatar, Iran and Assad's Mukhabarat.

AQ as an organization is not unified like ISIS or Hezbollah, al-Qaeda factions like their branch in west Africa, al-Shabab and formerly their branches in Iraq and Syria are distant from the leadership AQ is a label that is used and they follow a loosely defined set of guidelines the only true branch of al-Qaeda that conforms to al-Qaeda is their center in Pakistan, Afghanistan and yes Iran, this is why al-Qaeda is falling apart because of their lack of centralization and unity and rogue factions like al-Nusra, so yes while their may be voiced opposition to Iran and fighting against Iran, al-Qaeda still needs Iran and Iran still needs al-Qaeda because otherwise Iran would have destroyed AQ a long time ago and they are capable they destroyed 4 Arab countries and murdered the President of one of them, they are capable of destroying AQ and turning over Zawhiri but they don't and they could likewise use their leverage over HTS to cause a lot more chaos then currently present as well.

If you want to sell me snake oil you could start spinning more believable stories and not call me ignorant.

[The Black Party]

This is just modern warfare.

[Khataiy]

Here's your problem you're only looking at things cosmetically, Zawhiri's location is public knowledge you can find thousands of articles on this from regional experts, analysts and journalists everyone who follows events in this region knows this,

HTS may openly be opposed to Iran but reality states differently, these people sell captured weapons from their rivals to the PKK for income and perhaps I did not make it clear enough that there are spies in this organization that have ties to the intelligence agencies of Qatar, Iran, Turkey and Bashar al-Assad as well, these organizations exchange information and make deals obviously this isn't publicized for very obvious reasons. The leadership of HTS which consists of Abu Muhammad al-Joulani, Abu Maria al-Qahtani, and Abu Abdullah al-Shami are extremely selfish individuals with purely opportunistic ambitions, so it is not out of character or unexpected of them to make illicit deals with Iran via Qatar which has a strong relationship with HTS through their main agent Abu Maria to withdraw from locations, attack other groups, sell weapons, and exchange prisoners and intel, this is the reality of HTS.

Al-Qaeda has even issued statements calling on the group and its affiliates to never directly attack Iran because of their fragile relationship, I never said that AQ or Iran like each other but to deny their cooperation is as I said ignorant, their relationship is one of need not of love but this relationship has enabled Iran to manipulate AQ in various ways and infiltrate the organization as well namely in Syria where as I explained above the group is compromised by spies from Qatar, Iran and Assad's Mukhabarat.

AQ as an organization is not unified like ISIS or Hezbollah, al-Qaeda factions like their branch in west Africa, al-Shabab and formerly their branches in Iraq and Syria are distant from the leadership AQ is a label that is used and they follow a loosely defined set of guidelines the only true branch of al-Qaeda that conforms to al-Qaeda is their center in Pakistan, Afghanistan and yes Iran, this is why al-Qaeda is falling apart because of their lack of centralization and unity and rogue factions like al-Nusra, so yes while their may be voiced opposition to Iran and fighting against Iran, al-Qaeda still needs Iran and Iran still needs al-Qaeda because otherwise Iran would have destroyed AQ a long time ago and they are capable they destroyed 4 Arab countries and murdered the President of one of them, they are capable of destroying AQ and turning over Zawhiri but they don't and they could likewise use their leverage over HTS to cause a lot more chaos then currently present as well.

If you want to sell me snake oil you could start spinning more believable stories and not call me ignorant.

HTS selling anti-tank weapons to the YPG

Pro-Assad spy who was friends with Abu Maria defecting to Assad's forces from HTS

AQ orders on abstaining from attacks inside Iran

AQ leaders living in Iran

I can provide much more if you want

[Scomagia]

Is Donald Trump trying on his best Dr Strangelove and batting for his own Gulf War, the better to bolster his own chances at the polls -- and this, after getting thwarted from his own fiery furious date with Kim?

No.

[Duhon]

Is Donald Trump trying on his best Dr Strangelove and batting for his own Gulf War, the better to bolster his own chances at the polls -- and this, after getting thwarted from his own fiery furious date with Kim?

No.

What makes you say that? Every bit of Trump's rhetoric has been leading up to this -- and, if he and certain people within the White House can get the muster for it -- for war and desolation in Tehran.

[Shofercia]

This meme is relevant again:



I think the entire war planning should be meme'd. We already have a battlecry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

[Scomagia]

No.

What makes you say that? Every bit of Trump's rhetoric has been leading up to this -- and, if he and certain people within the White House can get the muster for it -- for war and desolation in Tehran.

You're being melodramatic. No one wants war in Iran. Besides, the current Congress would never go for it anyway.

What's your evidence that this is being manufactured to motivate war?

[Cetacea]

well at least American has good freedom loving Saudi Arabia on its side!!! No support for terrorist or disappearing journalist there


lets go list a whole lot of allegations against Iran, make a statement and then show no evidence at all

[Shofercia]

Americans believed that the RMS Lusitania was an innocent passenger line.
Americans were told that Vietnam initiated hostilities in the Gulf of Tonkin. Turns out it was all a false flag.
We were told Gaddafi was a horrible dictator. Turns out his nation was Africa's last chance for stability, targeted simply because he dared to exile a certain international banking family.
We were recently told Assad was a child killing monster. That was until the gas "victims" appeared alive in Europe, disavowing the smear campaign by the White Helmets.
Now we are told that Iran is trying to attack NATO.

I hope nobody falls for this crap again.

Remember, posting common sense ideas now makes you an Isolationist. Prepare to be called a Neville Chamberlain.

[Duhon]

What makes you say that? Every bit of Trump's rhetoric has been leading up to this -- and, if he and certain people within the White House can get the muster for it -- for war and desolation in Tehran.

You're being melodramatic. No one wants war in Iran. Besides, the current Congress would never go for it anyway.

What's your evidence that this is being manufactured to motivate war?

I wouldn't say "manufactured" -- this has at least a lot more going for it than, say, the rationale for the second Gulf war. What I would say is that the timing is awfully convenient.

[Yusseria]

This meme is relevant again:

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I think the entire war planning should be meme'd. We already have a battlecry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1mlCPMYtPk

To be fair Iran does suck.

[Duhon]

Americans believed that the RMS Lusitania was an innocent passenger line.
Americans were told that Vietnam initiated hostilities in the Gulf of Tonkin. Turns out it was all a false flag.
We were told Gaddafi was a horrible dictator. Turns out his nation was Africa's last chance for stability, targeted simply because he dared to exile a certain international banking family.
We were recently told Assad was a child killing monster. That was until the gas "victims" appeared alive in Europe, disavowing the smear campaign by the White Helmets.
Now we are told that Iran is trying to attack NATO.

I hope nobody falls for this crap again.

It is, ideological blinkers plus potential for ka-ching, Gadhafi really is an authoritarian shitheel, fuck Assad, and yeah can we both just agree authoritarians are awful fucks while we back away from war?

[Scomagia]

You're being melodramatic. No one wants war in Iran. Besides, the current Congress would never go for it anyway.

What's your evidence that this is being manufactured to motivate war?

I wouldn't say "manufactured" -- this has at least a lot more going for it than, say, the rationale for the second Gulf war. What I would say is that the timing is awfully convenient.

Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

[Duhon]

I wouldn't say "manufactured" -- this has at least a lot more going for it than, say, the rationale for the second Gulf war. What I would say is that the timing is awfully convenient.

Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Even Germany acknowledged that it was a civilian transport vehicle.

Which was carrying hundreds of tons of munitions, was under the command of the British admiralty, had orders to ram any submarines that surfaced to offer it a chance to surrender, and was only protected by a treaty Britain had violated openly by arming transports.

But yes, they acknowledged it was a civilian transport vehicle outfitted for war and foolishly used as a quasi military vessel in a combat zone.

[Aclion]

Convenient for what, the war that you think will happen? The war that so far has only been speculated on by you and other handwringers?

You've got nothing.

Let me be clear: I don't want war, Iran's many problems will only be exacerbated by war -- but if I see war, what can I do but say it?

I got nothing but Trump's rhetoric, Netanyahu's rhetoric, and Bolton's presence as a cabinet member rather than as... preferably buried six feet deep, but really, anywhere other than on a cabinet meeting is fine. They're but words, but words may yet determine actions, and with an administration as unpredictable as Trump's -- and with a Congress that might want a demonstration of where those $700-billion-plus military budget has gone -- well --

No way in hell is Trump going to go to war with Iran before 2020, at this point getting into a major war is pretty much the only thing he needs to avoid to get reelected.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

While he does that, he plays footsie with the Saudis, who are quite murky when it comes to terrorism. The Saudis even provide funds to spread an ideology that causes terrorism. Our foreign policy is out there with unneeded escalations, and questionable allies.

All of Islam has terrorists within it, not just Wahhabism. It is not a unique ideology that leads to terrorism. Hezbollah is Shia, the Taliban are Shia, and Al-Qeada and ISIS are Sunni. There is no specific sect of Islam responsible for terrorism, and to suggest that merely having the same religion as one terrorist organization, which is not even the biggest (Hezbollah and the Taliban are larger than Al-Qaeda), is quite absurd. Saying they give funds to people with the same religion as them... is pretty normal. To suggest that the entire religion and ideology causes terrorism as a blanket statement would be like saying Catholicism spreads terrorism because of the IRA who were catholic. It doesn't implicate the entire religion, and the huffington post also says that violence is justified against Trump.

Wahhabism is a radical strain of Sunni Islam, and condemning it as violent certainly isn't on par with stating all Catholics are responsible for the terrorism of a select few. I didn't point at all members of a certain religion. You are defending a form of Islam that enforces a literal interpretation of Islamic law; it is even more extreme than Iran; it is an ideology that is inherently extreme.

You have brought into the narrative that the Saudis must be good, simply because our corrupt political establishment is allies with them.

Edit: Also, one idiot leftist who happened to write a shitty article for the same paper does not prove my information - which is from another reporter - to be incorrect. They should fire that leftist though.

[Parcia]

Unfolds Lawn Chair, pops Popcorn.

This gonna be fuckin fun bois.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Unfolds Lawn Chair, pops Popcorn.

This gonna be fuckin fun bois.

I'm glad politics serves to entertain you.

[Senkaku]

We knew the Iranians sponsored terrorists, and I think anyone who supports Iranian democracy would support sanctioning the IRGC, one of the most toxic elements in Iranian politics and an entity that really holds the country back- but it's also really concerning that the Trump administration keeps throwing down these provocations seemingly with very little regard for the strategic picture, and it's definitely starting to get a drumbeat-to-war vibe.

Iran's attempted terrorist attacks on the U.S. and Europe
Donald Trump labeled the unit responsible for a number of attacks in Europe, an elite special-forces group in Iran, a terrorist organization, [1][2] after several attacks and attempted attacks on European soil.

Where do those articles cite the IRGC attacking or attempting to attack European targets...?

More attacks are believed to be the responsibility of Iran, but are unproven given the nature of the attacks, being disguised as other terrorist attacks (I.E. in the name of ISIS or some other group). I'm honestly not surprised by this move, as the attacks happened in 2018 and we are only now labeling them as a terrorist organization in 2019.

...I- you do know that the Muslim world is not a single hivemind headquartered in Tehran, right...?

[North German Realm]

I hope nobody actually thinks the IRGC is anything but a terrorist organization built on the perseverance and exportation of an ideology made by a radicalized version of a political religion. It is responsible for multiple acts of terrorism (including mass murder of civilians) in and out of Iran, and -while considered a "legitimate" branch of the Iranian Armed Forces- it has no loyalty to the Iranian Nation or State. In their own immortal words, "The Guard Corps of the Islamic Revolution has no other word before or after it, Even Iran."

Iirc, Canada had already designated it as a Terrorist organization previously (Or anyway, one branch of the Corps as a whole), and there was no outrage then. Hopefully, this means the US can and will engage the IRGC on the International Waters and make it harder for the state to oppress its people any further.

[Duhon]

Unfolds Lawn Chair, pops Popcorn.

This gonna be fuckin fun bois.

War is not fun. Nor is the drum roll to one, unless you want to profit off of it, or else you're just a sadist, turned on by death and desolation.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

More likely a Mossad false flag