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Postby Manokan Republic » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:50 pm

New Udonia wrote:Americans believed that the RMS Lusitania was an innocent passenger line.
Americans were told that Vietnam initiated hostilities in the Gulf of Tonkin. Turns out it was all a false flag.
We were told Gaddafi was a horrible dictator. Turns out his nation was Africa's last chance for stability, targeted simply because he dared to exile a certain international banking family.
We were recently told Assad was a child killing monster. That was until the gas "victims" appeared alive in Europe, disavowing the smear campaign by the White Helmets.
Now we are told that Iran is trying to attack NATO.

I hope nobody falls for this crap again.

Vietnam did attack us, only one of the attacks turned out to be fake (the second one) and not a false flag. The main reason for the invasion of Vietnam was to prevent the South Vietnamese from getting slaughtered, which worked until we pulled out, which is always a mistake as it leads to power vacuums.

Gadaffi was a dictator, funded various terrorist groups, and his country was not as well off as he claimed, with the world bank disagreeing on how much money the country supposedly had. The idea he gave a free house to everyone among other things is kind of insane.

There have been 300 gas attacks in total, most of which were by the Syrian government. The white helmets were not the only organization to provide evidence of the attacks, and the white helmets staged scenes for dramatic purposes, rather than using them as evidence of attacks.


I really would hope people would stop falling for conspiracies by socialists that the U.S. is somehow at fault, but unfortunately they do.

Also, the RMS Lusitana, really? Even Germany acknowledged that it was a civilian transport vehicle.
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Postby Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:55 pm

Why is the US allies with Pakistan instead of India again?
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Postby Yusseria » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:55 pm

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Why is the US allies with Pakistan instead of India again?

We're a nation of masochists.
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Postby New Udonia » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:59 pm

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New Udonia wrote:.
Both of those two are demonstrably false and I am disgusted you disrespect the victim's lives like that.

I would show you evidence, however you have proved it would be a wasted effort. Some people don't have the capacity for truth.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:06 pm

New Udonia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:

I would show you evidence, however you have proved it would be a wasted effort. Some people don't have the capacity for truth.

That's a lazy dodge.
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Postby Behran » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:17 pm

Manokan Republic wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:While he does that, he plays footsie with the Saudis, who are quite murky when it comes to terrorism. The Saudis even provide funds to spread an ideology that causes terrorism. Our foreign policy is out there with unneeded escalations, and questionable allies.

All of Islam has terrorists within it, not just Wahhabism. It is not a unique ideology that leads to terrorism. Hezbollah is Shia, the Taliban are Shia, and Al-Qeada and ISIS are Sunni. There is no specific sect of Islam responsible for terrorism, and to suggest that merely having the same religion as one terrorist organization, which is not even the biggest (Hezbollah and the Taliban are larger than Al-Qaeda), is quite absurd. Saying they give funds to people with the same religion as them... is pretty normal. To suggest that the entire religion and ideology causes terrorism as a blanket statement would be like saying Catholicism spreads terrorism because of the IRA who were catholic. It doesn't implicate the entire religion, and the huffington post also says that violence is justified against Trump.

The Taliban are Sunni who are allies with Al Qaeda, they've literally persecuted and slaughtered thousands of Shiites.

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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:23 pm

Iran is a terrorist state run by terrorists for terrorists, their terrorism is evident from Yemen to Syria to Iraq they need to be stopped and a military solution is the only answer.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:26 pm

Khataiy wrote:Iran is a terrorist state run by terrorists for terrorists, their terrorism is evident from Yemen to Syria to Iraq they need to be stopped and a military solution is the only answer.

I'd hope not. That part of the Ummah has seen more than enough war.
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:30 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Khataiy wrote:Iran is a terrorist state run by terrorists for terrorists, their terrorism is evident from Yemen to Syria to Iraq they need to be stopped and a military solution is the only answer.

I'd hope not. That part of the Ummah has seen more than enough war.

They are not part of our Ummah

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Postby Heloin » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:31 pm

Isn't al-Qaeda generally funded and supported by Saudi Arabia not Iran?

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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:32 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So is it proven that Iran carried out these attacks? Or rather their military division?
Also The Taliban isn't part of Pakistan's military.

The Taliban is a Pakistani intelligence project, but recently Iran has hijacked this project and corrupted it beyond anything imaginable

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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:32 pm

Heloin wrote:Isn't al-Qaeda generally funded and supported by Saudi Arabia not Iran?

Zawahiri lives in Iran

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Postby Heloin » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Heloin wrote:Isn't al-Qaeda generally funded and supported by Saudi Arabia not Iran?

Zawahiri lives in Iran

The man hates Iran. And if you know were he is your doing better then most of the world.

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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Please don't call the organization known as "Hezbollah" by this beautiful name, Hezbollah means the "Party of Allah" the Party of God, and they are not the Party of God, they do not do God's work but they oppose him and his people, they are murderers, thieves, and only the most vile people to have ever walked this earth, they are the party of Satan, they only serve Satan and they are his slaves and worshipers.

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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:43 pm

Heloin wrote:
Khataiy wrote:Zawahiri lives in Iran

The man hates Iran. And if you know were he is your doing better then most of the world.

He lives in Iran with Iranian protection, and Jabhat al-Nusra which is part of the coalition known as "Hayat Tahrir al-Sham" has ties to Iran, Qatar and Assad's intelligence you do not know anything about al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda's relationship with Iran is evident with the case of Aleppo, where Qatari officials mediated a withdrawal from the city through intelligence ties to Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (al-Nusra) to pullout of the city, another instance can be seen with the Iraqi spy known as Abu Maria al-Qahtani he was an Iraqi police officer who joined al-Qaeda and went to Syria in 2011 he instigated multiple instances of infighting among the opposition, even to the point that entire battalions have withdrawn support for the HTS project because of his relationship with Iranian intelligence where he encouraged HTS to attack other groups, the Iranian-AQ relationship is not one of love but rather of realpolitik and pragmatism but to deny it is simply ignorant.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:46 pm

Khataiy wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'd hope not. That part of the Ummah has seen more than enough war.

They are not part of our Ummah

Yes they are. Even if they weren't I still don't want a war.
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:50 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Khataiy wrote:They are not part of our Ummah

Yes they are. Even if they weren't I still don't want a war.

They have ignited a war and if they are not ready to finish it they should have never started it by murdering President Saddam Hussein, propping up the Houthi terrorists in Yemen, funding the Party of Satan, and importing fighters from other countries to Sunni Arab countries to colonize them then initiate major demographic changes to these countries just to maintain dominance over their Safavid Sickle spanning from Baghdad to Beirut, and they shouldn't be murdering the people of the Ahwaz, Kurdistan, and Balochistan for being Sunni, if Iran did not want a war, they wouldn't aspire to build nuclear weapons and destabilize the region, this is a war that they have started and if Allah wills the fighting will be brought to them.

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Postby Heloin » Mon Apr 08, 2019 5:53 pm

Khataiy wrote:
Heloin wrote:The man hates Iran. And if you know were he is your doing better then most of the world.

He lives in Iran with Iranian protection, and Jabhat al-Nusra which is part of the coalition known as "Hayat Tahrir al-Sham" has ties to Iran, Qatar and Assad's intelligence you do not know anything about al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda's relationship with Iran is evident with the case of Aleppo, where Qatari officials mediated a withdrawal from the city through intelligence ties to Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (al-Nusra) to pullout of the city, another instance can be seen with the Iraqi spy known as Abu Maria al-Qahtani he was an Iraqi police officer who joined al-Qaeda and went to Syria in 2011 he instigated multiple instances of infighting among the opposition, even to the point that entire battalions have withdrawn support for the HTS project because of his relationship with Iranian intelligence where he encouraged HTS to attack other groups, the Iranian-AQ relationship is not one of love but rather of realpolitik and pragmatism but to deny it is simply ignorant.

I'm glad you're the only person on this earth outside of al-Qaeda who seems to know were Zawahiri is, lots of governments would like to know that information, including the Iranian. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a group that actively fights Iran and Syria, is funded by Iran and Syria? And to add to that Iran openly supports and funds Hezbollah, a group that also is actively fighting al-Qaeda.

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Postby Kaystein » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:00 pm

Manokan Republic wrote:
Kaystein wrote:So OP is quoting half-year old news articles, and expecting something to happen in the future because of what happened in the past? The USA and Europe already made changes to defenses no doubt. Second, a full-on shooting-war would be disproportionate to the attacks. Third, the CIA and European equivalents are conducting counter-operations of their own against a belligerent nation like Iran. Don't expect any major changes in your daily life.

What's changed is that Trump recently acknowledged that the Iranian government was responsible and labeled their groups as terrorist organizations while hilariously, Iran labeled our groups as terrorist organizations in the middle east. We are seeing signs of escalation, but that doesn't mean full blown war, just likely a smaller more muted proxy conflict. The Vietnam war was a proxy conflict between the U.S. and Russia, and it was rather large, killing millions. A smaller scale war doesn't mean that it won't be a big deal.


This too.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:14 pm

Behran wrote:Saying Iran helped Al Qaeda and the Taliban is literally the most stupidest thing ever, both groups are enemies of Iran who has fought them multiple times.

^This.

I hate Iran, probably more than most Neocons, but they haven't sponsored terrorism against Europe or the United States, this is just petty accusations with no backing.
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:14 pm

Heloin wrote:
Khataiy wrote:He lives in Iran with Iranian protection, and Jabhat al-Nusra which is part of the coalition known as "Hayat Tahrir al-Sham" has ties to Iran, Qatar and Assad's intelligence you do not know anything about al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda's relationship with Iran is evident with the case of Aleppo, where Qatari officials mediated a withdrawal from the city through intelligence ties to Jabhat Fatah al-Sham (al-Nusra) to pullout of the city, another instance can be seen with the Iraqi spy known as Abu Maria al-Qahtani he was an Iraqi police officer who joined al-Qaeda and went to Syria in 2011 he instigated multiple instances of infighting among the opposition, even to the point that entire battalions have withdrawn support for the HTS project because of his relationship with Iranian intelligence where he encouraged HTS to attack other groups, the Iranian-AQ relationship is not one of love but rather of realpolitik and pragmatism but to deny it is simply ignorant.

I'm glad you're the only person on this earth outside of al-Qaeda who seems to know were Zawahiri is, lots of governments would like to know that information, including the Iranian. Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, a group that actively fights Iran and Syria, is funded by Iran and Syria? And to add to that Iran openly supports and funds Hezbollah, a group that also is actively fighting al-Qaeda.

Here's your problem you're only looking at things cosmetically, Zawhiri's location is public knowledge you can find thousands of articles on this from regional experts, analysts and journalists everyone who follows events in this region knows this,

HTS may openly be opposed to Iran but reality states differently, these people sell captured weapons from their rivals to the PKK for income and perhaps I did not make it clear enough that there are spies in this organization that have ties to the intelligence agencies of Qatar, Iran, Turkey and Bashar al-Assad as well, these organizations exchange information and make deals obviously this isn't publicized for very obvious reasons. The leadership of HTS which consists of Abu Muhammad al-Joulani, Abu Maria al-Qahtani, and Abu Abdullah al-Shami are extremely selfish individuals with purely opportunistic ambitions, so it is not out of character or unexpected of them to make illicit deals with Iran via Qatar which has a strong relationship with HTS through their main agent Abu Maria to withdraw from locations, attack other groups, sell weapons, and exchange prisoners and intel, this is the reality of HTS.

Al-Qaeda has even issued statements calling on the group and its affiliates to never directly attack Iran because of their fragile relationship, I never said that AQ or Iran like each other but to deny their cooperation is as I said ignorant, their relationship is one of need not of love but this relationship has enabled Iran to manipulate AQ in various ways and infiltrate the organization as well namely in Syria where as I explained above the group is compromised by spies from Qatar, Iran and Assad's Mukhabarat.

AQ as an organization is not unified like ISIS or Hezbollah, al-Qaeda factions like their branch in west Africa, al-Shabab and formerly their branches in Iraq and Syria are distant from the leadership AQ is a label that is used and they follow a loosely defined set of guidelines the only true branch of al-Qaeda that conforms to al-Qaeda is their center in Pakistan, Afghanistan and yes Iran, this is why al-Qaeda is falling apart because of their lack of centralization and unity and rogue factions like al-Nusra, so yes while their may be voiced opposition to Iran and fighting against Iran, al-Qaeda still needs Iran and Iran still needs al-Qaeda because otherwise Iran would have destroyed AQ a long time ago and they are capable they destroyed 4 Arab countries and murdered the President of one of them, they are capable of destroying AQ and turning over Zawhiri but they don't and they could likewise use their leverage over HTS to cause a lot more chaos then currently present as well.

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Postby Nakena » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:16 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I hate Iran, probably more than most Neocons


Why?
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:18 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Behran wrote:Saying Iran helped Al Qaeda and the Taliban is literally the most stupidest thing ever, both groups are enemies of Iran who has fought them multiple times.

^This.

I hate Iran, probably more than most Neocons, but they haven't sponsored terrorism against Europe or the United States, this is just petty accusations with no backing.

Iran isn't using AQ for terrorism against the west they are using them as a card in their diplomacy.

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Postby Duhon » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:21 pm

Is Donald Trump trying on his best Dr Strangelove and batting for his own Gulf War, the better to bolster his own chances at the polls -- and this, after getting thwarted from his own fiery furious date with Kim?

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Postby Far Easter Republic » Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:23 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Guys, this doesn't mean we're invading Iran.

...At least I hope not.

Look, I'm an interventionist who adores Democracy, but Iran's geography, geographical position, and geopolitics would make it hell.

Unless your the Saudis or Israel, then one of your threats/rivals gets torpedoed.
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