Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[North Washington Republic]

If Islam or other religions are true then they would though.

I mean, in Christianity's case not really.

The narrative of Christianity is pretty exclusively humanity's relationship to God. I don't think aliens would even have original sin, and so no need for any of the sacraments.

Didn’t Paul VI say that missionaries should accompany astronauts so they can convert other live forms?

[Suriyanakhon]

If Islam or other religions are true then they would though.

I mean, in Christianity's case not really.

The narrative of Christianity is pretty exclusively humanity's relationship to God. I don't think aliens would even have original sin, and so no need for any of the sacraments.

Sorry, meant Islam and non-Christian religions.

[Salus Maior]

I mean, in Christianity's case not really.

The narrative of Christianity is pretty exclusively humanity's relationship to God. I don't think aliens would even have original sin, and so no need for any of the sacraments.

Didn’t Paul VI say that missionaries should accompany astronauts so they can convert other live forms?

I never heard that.

I mean, it sounds very fun. But how would aliens have sin (at least, as we understand it)? They're not related to Adam.

[Diarcesia]

Didn’t Paul VI say that missionaries should accompany astronauts so they can convert other live forms?

I never heard that.

I mean, it sounds very fun. But how would aliens have sin (at least, as we understand it)? They're not related to Adam.

Unless aliens have their own version of the original sin that caused them to be separate from God? Maybe Jesus/Mahdi hasn't returned yet because he had to planet-hop?

[Vlad Tepes Stan Account]

Aliens wouldn't need Islam just like they wouldn't need Christianity or any of Earth's religions.

If Islam or other religions are true then they would though.

No they wouldn't. These religions are true for humanity because of our specific relationship and history with God. Aliens would have their own relationship and history with God and such their religion(s) would be tailored for that.

Eg. Christ died for the sins of mankind because of the Fall of Man. Aliens may not have had their own Fall or if they did how they dealt with it could be radically different.

[Suriyanakhon]

If Islam or other religions are true then they would though.

No they wouldn't. These religions are true for humanity because of our specific relationship and history with God. Aliens would have their own relationship and history with God and such their religion(s) would be tailored for that.

Eg. Christ died for the sins of mankind because of the Fall of Man. Aliens may not have had their own Fall or if they did how they dealt with it could be radically different.

Okay, but the Fall is an exclusively Christian idea which isn't shared with other religions. Islam considers itself universal, with non-human beings such as animals and djinns being Muslim too. Hinduism and Buddhism have the concept of infinite worlds with their own inhabitants who transmigrate, so of course it would be relevant to them.

[The Alma Mater]

No they wouldn't. These religions are true for humanity because of our specific relationship and history with God. Aliens would have their own relationship and history with God and such their religion(s) would be tailored for that.

Eg. Christ died for the sins of mankind because of the Fall of Man. Aliens may not have had their own Fall or if they did how they dealt with it could be radically different.

Okay, but the Fall is an exclusively Christian idea which isn't shared with other religions. Islam considers itself universal, with non-human beings such as animals and djinns being Muslim too. Hinduism and Buddhism have the concept of infinite worlds with their own inhabitants who transmigrate, so of course it would be relevant to them.

Do humans have a special place in Islam amongst all creation? I can imagine an alien race of squidbeings being unhappy if they are not "made in Allahs image".

[The Black Forrest]

Okay, but the Fall is an exclusively Christian idea which isn't shared with other religions. Islam considers itself universal, with non-human beings such as animals and djinns being Muslim too. Hinduism and Buddhism have the concept of infinite worlds with their own inhabitants who transmigrate, so of course it would be relevant to them.

Do humans have a special place in Islam amongst all creation? I can imagine an alien race of squidbeings being unhappy if they are not "made in Allahs image".

Been playing Splatoon again?

[Salus Maior]

I never heard that.

I mean, it sounds very fun. But how would aliens have sin (at least, as we understand it)? They're not related to Adam.

Unless aliens have their own version of the original sin that caused them to be separate from God? Maybe Jesus/Mahdi hasn't returned yet because he had to planet-hop?

That seems pretty silly.

But regardless it seems like a waste of time to speculate.

[Alkhilafa Rasullalah]

The most interesting thing about Muslims is that, the man whom they consider to be the most 'perfect' individual to ever exist, was in fact a military commander who killed people and a man who married a total of 12 wives. I am not going into whether these acts were justified or not, but what I am saying is that we do not usually include 'violence' when we talk about good virtues in a man. I think, this pretty much explains the inherent violent nature of some of the more extremist Muslims like the Talibans.

military heroism is considered a virtue in America society and even traditional British society (these days they don’t care in the UK)

[Stellar Colonies]

Okay, but the Fall is an exclusively Christian idea which isn't shared with other religions. Islam considers itself universal, with non-human beings such as animals and djinns being Muslim too. Hinduism and Buddhism have the concept of infinite worlds with their own inhabitants who transmigrate, so of course it would be relevant to them.

Do humans have a special place in Islam amongst all creation? I can imagine an alien race of squidbeings being unhappy if they are not "made in Allahs image".

If we encounter other self-aware intelligent species and agree amongst ourselves they are, "Made in God's/Allah's Image" could be reinterpreted as being given consciousness or something.

[Insaanistan]

Okay, but the Fall is an exclusively Christian idea which isn't shared with other religions. Islam considers itself universal, with non-human beings such as animals and djinns being Muslim too. Hinduism and Buddhism have the concept of infinite worlds with their own inhabitants who transmigrate, so of course it would be relevant to them.

Do humans have a special place in Islam amongst all creation? I can imagine an alien race of squidbeings being unhappy if they are not "made in Allahs image".

Humans are on the same level as jinn, pretty much.

Who knows? If there are extra terrestrial beings with sentience, perhaps they’re jinn? Or some other form of life?


Also, humans in Islam aren’t exactly “made in God’s image”.

[Insaanistan]

The most interesting thing about Muslims is that, the man whom they consider to be the most 'perfect' individual to ever exist, was in fact a military commander who killed people and a man who married a total of 12 wives. I am not going into whether these acts were justified or not, but what I am saying is that we do not usually include 'violence' when we talk about good virtues in a man. I think, this pretty much explains the inherent violent nature of some of the more extremist Muslims like the Talibans.

13 wives throughout his entire 63 year life (keep in mind lifespans were not what they were today, and there was a heck of a lot more disease and the like back then). Even the majority of non-Muslim scholars on Islam and its history I’ve heard speak or read the words of state Muhammad (S)’s aim was not war, and it wasn’t something he enjoyed. Heck, in the Islamic rules of war he laid out, one of them is “Do not hope you encounter your enemy.”

Additionally, the Taliban are opposed by virtually all Afghans, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. In the words of Mehdi Hasan
“If Islam is truly a violent warlike religion, then why aren’t the rest of doing it? Why is it such a tiny minority of Muslims who are interpreting their religion in this way?”

The vast majority of surveyed Muslims condemned acts of terror. The minority that didn’t cited political reasons (though keep in mind, Islamist exists).

[Insaanistan]

I’ve heard that Islam teaches that cats are God’s favorite animal and they’re the only non-humans that are aware of God’s existence. Is there any truth to this?

Islam believes all animals are Muslim and that there are both Muslim jinn and non-Muslim jinn.
Cats are however, held in high regard in Islam, as they were in Ancient Egypt. Cats are considered incredibly clean and preferable pets to have, and some cultures believe evil jinn or other spirits such as bori are afraid of cats.

[Lady Victory]

The most interesting thing about Muslims is that, the man whom they consider to be the most 'perfect' individual to ever exist, was in fact a military commander who killed people and a man who married a total of 12 wives. I am not going into whether these acts were justified or not, but what I am saying is that we do not usually include 'violence' when we talk about good virtues in a man. I think, this pretty much explains the inherent violent nature of some of the more extremist Muslims like the Talibans.

13 wives throughout his entire 63 year life (keep in mind lifespans were not what they were today, and there was a heck of a lot more disease and the like back then). Even the majority of non-Muslim scholars on Islam and its history I’ve heard speak or read the words of state Muhammad (S)’s aim was not war, and it wasn’t something he enjoyed. Heck, in the Islamic rules of war he laid out, one of them is “Do not hope you encounter your enemy.”

Additionally, the Taliban are opposed by virtually all Afghans, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. In the words of Mehdi Hasan
“If Islam is truly a violent warlike religion, then why aren’t the rest of doing it? Why is it such a tiny minority of Muslims who are interpreting their religion in this way?”

The vast majority of surveyed Muslims condemned acts of terror. The minority that didn’t cited political reasons (though keep in mind, Islamist exists).

This entire post is disingenuous.

If Muhammad was the peace-loving person Islam claims he was he wouldn't have been a fucking warlord who waged wars of conquest and aggression against his neighbors while committing genocide against his opponents.

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense?

[The V I C]

I mean, in Christianity's case not really.

The narrative of Christianity is pretty exclusively humanity's relationship to God. I don't think aliens would even have original sin, and so no need for any of the sacraments.

Didn’t Paul VI say that missionaries should accompany astronauts so they can convert other live forms?

In christian lore, Eve bit the forbidden fruit. Since the reptoids did not, its safe to assume they did not fall out of god's grace and therefore do not need saving.

[The V I C]

13 wives throughout his entire 63 year life (keep in mind lifespans were not what they were today, and there was a heck of a lot more disease and the like back then). Even the majority of non-Muslim scholars on Islam and its history I’ve heard speak or read the words of state Muhammad (S)’s aim was not war, and it wasn’t something he enjoyed. Heck, in the Islamic rules of war he laid out, one of them is “Do not hope you encounter your enemy.”

Additionally, the Taliban are opposed by virtually all Afghans, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. In the words of Mehdi Hasan
“If Islam is truly a violent warlike religion, then why aren’t the rest of doing it? Why is it such a tiny minority of Muslims who are interpreting their religion in this way?”

The vast majority of surveyed Muslims condemned acts of terror. The minority that didn’t cited political reasons (though keep in mind, Islamist exists).

This entire post is disingenuous.

If Muhammad was the peace-loving person Islam claims he was he wouldn't have been a fucking warlord who waged wars of conquest and aggression against his neighbors while committing genocide against his opponents.

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense?

Don't ask questions whose answers you would hate to see.

[A m e n r i a]

This raises some questions:

1. If God sent prophets to all peoples, does this extend to aliens? If so...
2. Do their religions taught from these prophets count as a sect of Islam?

[Dowaesk]

13 wives throughout his entire 63 year life (keep in mind lifespans were not what they were today, and there was a heck of a lot more disease and the like back then). Even the majority of non-Muslim scholars on Islam and its history I’ve heard speak or read the words of state Muhammad (S)’s aim was not war, and it wasn’t something he enjoyed. Heck, in the Islamic rules of war he laid out, one of them is “Do not hope you encounter your enemy.”

Additionally, the Taliban are opposed by virtually all Afghans, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. In the words of Mehdi Hasan
“If Islam is truly a violent warlike religion, then why aren’t the rest of doing it? Why is it such a tiny minority of Muslims who are interpreting their religion in this way?”

The vast majority of surveyed Muslims condemned acts of terror. The minority that didn’t cited political reasons (though keep in mind, Islamist exists).

This entire post is disingenuous.

If Muhammad was the peace-loving person Islam claims he was he wouldn't have been a fucking warlord who waged wars of conquest and aggression against his neighbors while committing genocide against his opponents.

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense?

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense that you believe?

[Redeemed Britannia]

This entire post is disingenuous.

If Muhammad was the peace-loving person Islam claims he was he wouldn't have been a fucking warlord who waged wars of conquest and aggression against his neighbors while committing genocide against his opponents.

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense?

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense that you believe?

Mohammed was a warlord who did wage wars of conquest though? How exactly do you think the first Caliphate came to be? And he did through the sword wipe out entire populations in ways that would, if done right now, be classified as genocides.

[Insaanistan]

13 wives throughout his entire 63 year life (keep in mind lifespans were not what they were today, and there was a heck of a lot more disease and the like back then). Even the majority of non-Muslim scholars on Islam and its history I’ve heard speak or read the words of state Muhammad (S)’s aim was not war, and it wasn’t something he enjoyed. Heck, in the Islamic rules of war he laid out, one of them is “Do not hope you encounter your enemy.”

Additionally, the Taliban are opposed by virtually all Afghans, the vast majority of whom are Muslim. In the words of Mehdi Hasan
“If Islam is truly a violent warlike religion, then why aren’t the rest of doing it? Why is it such a tiny minority of Muslims who are interpreting their religion in this way?”

The vast majority of surveyed Muslims condemned acts of terror. The minority that didn’t cited political reasons (though keep in mind, Islamist exists).

This entire post is disingenuous.

If Muhammad was the peace-loving person Islam claims he was he wouldn't have been a fucking warlord who waged wars of conquest and aggression against his neighbors while committing genocide against his opponents.

Fucking Hell, who is gullible enough to believe this nonsense?

You commit the fallacy of giving two choices: pacifism or being a violent warmonger.

Additionally, no, Muhammad (S) did not commit genocide.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You commit the fallacy of giving two choices: pacifism or being a violent warmonger.

In the real world there really isn't a third option tbh, at least not in the pre-modern age.

[Genivaria]

You commit the fallacy of giving two choices: pacifism or being a violent warmonger.

In the real world there really isn't a third option tbh, at least not in the pre-modern age.

Hell even the laudable Persians were violent warmongers, kinda had to be to secure and stabilize Mesopotamia.

[Redeemed Britannia]

You commit the fallacy of giving two choices: pacifism or being a violent warmonger.

In the real world there really isn't a third option tbh, at least not in the pre-modern age.

Eh, that's not necessarily true. Not being pacifist doesn't necessitate going on conquest sprees and full blown vae victis style massacres of civilians afterwards like Mohammad and his successors did. But frankly what you can't do is be an Empire without being a warmonger, and the Caliphates were Empires. All of them.

[Insaanistan]

You commit the fallacy of giving two choices: pacifism or being a violent warmonger.

In the real world there really isn't a third option tbh, at least not in the pre-modern age.

War mongers don’t usually get Gandhi to absolutely love them.