Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Jolthig]

Wow. A lot still happening since I took a break (as I am reading some books and just didn't have motivation to debate haha).

Someone fill this lazy person in?

[Czervenika]

Surprisingly, most Islamic scholars don’t endorse killing gay people. The majority state that any punishment for homosexuality would come from God in the afterlife, with the minority opinion being God won’t punish it period.

Then what made them promulgate laws prohibiting homosexuality - at least the act of it - on pain of death? The requiring several witnesses thing, for example? Or is that a fatwa from a scholar who do endorse killing gays? If the latter is the case, when did it happen?

I would suspect a lot of that is modern Wahabi influence tbh. Saudi Arabia has their hands in Islamic movements worldwide. A lot of the activity in mosques, especially in countries where Muslims are not a majority, is funded by Saudi Arabia. The main exception to this rule would be Shi'a, and other minority sect, mosques. However, Shi'a mosques I would imagine have plenty of Iranian funding.

[Dowaesk]

Wow. A lot still happening since I took a break (as I am reading some books and just didn't have motivation to debate haha).

Someone fill this lazy person in?

Stuff happened.

(lmao. I wasnt here either)

[Dowaesk]

Yes.



I didn't mean to imply that, merely providing context from the other two Abrahamic faiths on that verse. That said, I actually don't know enough about Islam to say how that really works.

A state trying to be Islamic as in emulate the rightful guided Caliphs will most likely have those punishments (see: ISIS and Taliban).

Applying such a scenario in the modern world. And with a right-wing position, as people expect. Muslim Brotherhood would be about it. That is, if they had gotten the chance. (MB, without the Qutb ideas btw).

[A m e n r i a]

Surprisingly, most Islamic scholars don’t endorse killing gay people. The majority state that any punishment for homosexuality would come from God in the afterlife, with the minority opinion being God won’t punish it period.

Then what made them promulgate laws prohibiting homosexuality - at least the act of it - on pain of death? The requiring several witnesses thing, for example? Or is that a fatwa from a scholar who do endorse killing gays? If the latter is the case, when did it happen?

I'm still on "hate the sin, not the sinner". Immorality shouldn't be normalised, let alone endorsed, but out and out killing people for being a victim of sin is too much.

A state trying to be Islamic as in emulate the rightful guided Caliphs will most likely have those punishments (see: ISIS and Taliban).

Applying such a scenario in the modern world. And with a right-wing position, as people expect. Muslim Brotherhood would be about it. That is, if they had gotten the chance. (MB, without the Qutb ideas btw).

Enjoyed your hibernation?

[Dowaesk]

Applying such a scenario in the modern world. And with a right-wing position, as people expect. Muslim Brotherhood would be about it. That is, if they had gotten the chance. (MB, without the Qutb ideas btw).

Enjoyed your hibernation?

More than you think. *wink* *wink*

[Tarsonis]

Question, do Muslims still insist on praying outside to be "In the Sight of God?" Or is that just some western made up idea?

[Redeemed Britannia]

Question, do Muslims still insist on praying outside to be "In the Sight of God?" Or is that just some western made up idea?

Most of them pray in a Mosque or in their own home? As far as I'm aware "in the sight of god" seems like a ridiculous made up idea given most mosques and, well, houses, have a roof.

[Insaanistan]

Question, do Muslims still insist on praying outside to be "In the Sight of God?" Or is that just some western made up idea?

I’ve never heard that in my entire life. Even the Prophet’s Mosque in Madinah had a roof of sorts.
Most Muslims pray in mosques (the vast majority of which have roofs) or at home (again, usually have roofs).

Also, God is described as “the all-Seeing” and “the all-Hearing”, so he’ll see and hear you whether you pray outside or in doors.

Many Muslims do have the belief you should pray anywhere (given the place is relatively clean) as soon as they Athan comes on, so in cities with a lot of Muslims even in the West (mainly places like NYC), you’ll likely see Muslims of any ethnicity praying on the sidewalk (and also possible is seeing an Islamophobe spitting at or throwing coffee at them as they pray).

[Vistulange]

Question, do Muslims still insist on praying outside to be "In the Sight of God?" Or is that just some western made up idea?

I have never seen anybody pray in the street in Turkey. Those that do are generally condemned for making a show out of their faith, and are told to "take it into the mosque".

[Tarsonis]

Thanks y'all. Clearly some bad information I picked up along the way somewhere.

[Stellar Colonies]

If we have interstellar travel at some point, Muslims would need to pray towards Sol.

[Diarcesia]

If we have interstellar travel at some point, Muslims would need to pray towards Sol.

That was one of the more interesting questions in my head upon coming across that thought some time ago

[Alvecia]

Hypothetically speaking, what would you do if Sol was directly above you?

Would you try to pray in an upwards direction, or travel around the planet to get a good angle on it?

[Dowaesk]

There was a Malaysian fatwa on how a Muslim in ISS would pray. Such a fatwa would be made in the case of Interstellar travel as well.

[Arvenia]

There was a Malaysian fatwa on how a Muslim in ISS would pray. Such a fatwa would be made in the case of Interstellar travel as well.

Since when did Muslims start talking about space travel?

[Stellar Colonies]

There was a Malaysian fatwa on how a Muslim in ISS would pray. Such a fatwa would be made in the case of Interstellar travel as well.

Since when did Muslims start talking about space travel?

The UAE delivered the first Muslim interplanetary probe into Martian orbit earlier this year and has talked about establishing a colony on the planet by the early 22nd century, although I'm not certain as to the seriousness or feasibility of that.

Very recently, they've also announced plans to launch a lander to the Asteroid Belt by the end of the decade, and earlier had announced plans for a lunar orbiter by 2024.

They, Saudi Arabia, and maybe Iran are allegedly beginning their own mini space race.

Eleven Muslims have gone into space via the American and Soviet/Russian space programs, first one in 1985 aboard STS-51-G, and one of them is the first female space tourist.

[Insaanistan]

There was a Malaysian fatwa on how a Muslim in ISS would pray. Such a fatwa would be made in the case of Interstellar travel as well.

Since when did Muslims start talking about space travel?

For a while now.

[Dowaesk]

Since when did Muslims start talking about space travel?

For a while now.

Nice answer

[A m e n r i a]

Me omw to preach Islam to an alien planet

[Diarcesia]

Me omw to preach Islam to an alien planet

Mfw God says there's aliens beyond Earth XD

[Vlad Tepes Stan Account]

Aliens wouldn't need Islam just like they wouldn't need Christianity or any of Earth's religions.

[North Washington Republic]

I’ve heard that Islam teaches that cats are God’s favorite animal and they’re the only non-humans that are aware of God’s existence. Is there any truth to this?

[Suriyanakhon]

Aliens wouldn't need Islam just like they wouldn't need Christianity or any of Earth's religions.

If Islam or other religions are true then they would though.

[Salus Maior]

Aliens wouldn't need Islam just like they wouldn't need Christianity or any of Earth's religions.

If Islam or other religions are true then they would though.

I mean, in Christianity's case not really.

The narrative of Christianity is pretty exclusively humanity's relationship to God. I don't think aliens would even have original sin, and so no need for any of the sacraments.