Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Tarsonis]

You're not sorry. Being sorry requires acknowledging you've done something wrong. You've been quite clear on your refusal to do so.

I'm sorry for the way I said it. I am not sorry for holding an opinion.

The way you said it is irrelevant. You could have said it as offensively or as conciliatorily as possible, it wouldn't matter. You advocate for the killing of LGBT people, and advocate for the Nazi agenda of the systematic murder of million's hell billions today. Your apology is worthless.

You've done nothing to prove my opinion wrong other than insult it.

Despite your opinion being wrong prima facie and riducule being the only proper response, this is a disengenious proposition. Your belieif isn't based on any debatable metric. It's purely dogmatic of "I believe Muhammad said this, therefore, these people should die.{/quote] Dogmatic assertions can't be proven wrong because there's nothing to debate. It's just your belief.

I'd be willing to take you all seriously if you hadn't done so.

That means nothing. In case you haven't noticed, nobody here takes you seriously. Not even your own brethren.

[Heloin]

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

See here.

He's DOS from the website so what's your point?

[Celritannia]

We've provided plenty of evidence that the holocaust happened and was real.

You continue to deny it for idiotic reasons. It's a wretched thought.

You gave me Wikipedia.

The sources are not fake, they are checked.
My history lecturers for my undergrad in history had PhDs and Master's in history who taught the holocaust.

Denying the atrocities that happened is truly a disgusting thought to have. I feel sorry for you.

[Ansarullah]

The entity people call as ISIS claims they're Muslim, of course non-Muslims will think they're Muslim. It's a convenient label that fits their mental checkboxes of what the "Islamic religion" is about i.e. they profess the Shahada, the pillars, etc.

Killing innocents is not Islam.
Killing Muslims is not Islam.
Unjustified war is not Islam.
I'll detail every single action they commit that is anti-Islamic if you want.

[Arvenia]

Who the hell is El?

El Amin. Guy who made the thread. Basically a (N)ISIS supporter. Go to like page 3 iirc

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

See here.

Well, this rabbit hole just got worse and I don't have a single word for it.

[Tarsonis]

We've provided plenty of evidence that the holocaust happened and was real.

You continue to deny it for idiotic reasons. It's a wretched thought.

You gave me Wikipedia. The same site that claims Muslims did 9/11, something I can prove false right now. The same site that claims (N)ISIS is Muslim, something I can prove false right now. I can keep going, that's not a good source nor are any of the Jewish-owned sources at the bottom of that page.

Ah of course. AS with all conspiracies, the proof is part of the conspiracy. Please, regale us with this tale of how it was somebody else and we just framed the Muslims for it. Please tell us how when Usama Bin Laden took credit for the attacks it wasn't really him.

[Diarcesia]

The entity people call as ISIS claims they're Muslim, of course non-Muslims will think they're Muslim. It's a convenient label that fits their mental checkboxes of what the "Islamic religion" is about i.e. they profess the Shahada, the pillars, etc.

Killing innocents is not Islam.
Killing Muslims is not Islam.
Unjustified war is not Islam.
I'll detail every single action they commit that is anti-Islamic if you want.

A test, if you will: will you accept a Christian's arguments that what the crusaders did are un-Christian?

Also, I hope for everyone's sake that ISIS doesn't speak for all Muslims.

[Tarsonis]

The entity people call as ISIS claims they're Muslim, of course non-Muslims will think they're Muslim. It's a convenient label that fits their mental checkboxes of what the "Islamic religion" is about i.e. they profess the Shahada, the pillars, etc.

Killing innocents is not Islam.
Killing Muslims is not Islam.
Unjustified war is not Islam.
I'll detail every single action they commit that is anti-Islamic if you want.

Scottsman everywhere rejoice.

[Ansarullah]

The sources are not fake, they are checked.
My history lecturers for my undergrad in history had PhDs and Master's in history who taught the holocaust.

Denying the atrocities that happened is truly a disgusting thought to have. I feel sorry for you.

Thanks for the pity?

He's DOS from the website so what's your point?

Scroll up for context.

The way you said it is irrelevant. You could have said it as offensively or as conciliatorily as possible, it wouldn't matter. You advocate for the killing of LGBT people, and advocate for the Nazi agenda of the systematic murder of million's hell billions today. Your apology is worthless.

If it's worthless, oh well. It's better to say it and have it mean nothing than not say it when it could have meant something.

Despite your opinion being wrong prima facie and riducule being the only proper response, this is a disengenious proposition. Your belieif isn't based on any debatable metric. It's purely dogmatic of "I believe Muhammad said this, therefore, these people should die.{/quote] Dogmatic assertions can't be proven wrong because there's nothing to debate. It's just your belief.

It's not just my belief nor is it even what I alone belief. It is a fact that Muhammad sallahu alaihi wasallam said that.

That means nothing. In case you haven't noticed, nobody here takes you seriously. Not even your own brethren.

Why should I care?

[Celritannia]

The entity people call as ISIS claims they're Muslim, of course non-Muslims will think they're Muslim. It's a convenient label that fits their mental checkboxes of what the "Islamic religion" is about i.e. they profess the Shahada, the pillars, etc.

Killing innocents is not Islam.
Killing Muslims is not Islam.
Unjustified war is not Islam.
I'll detail every single action they commit that is anti-Islamic if you want.

Oh, the "No true Scotsman" I like this argument /s.

[Ansarullah]

A test, if you will: will you accept a Christian's arguments that what the crusaders did are un-Christian?

Also, I hope for everyone's sake that ISIS doesn't speak for all Muslims

They were not. Crusaders were murderers who looted Christian kingdoms, raped Christian women and disgraced the name of Christianity for centuries afterwards.

Ah of course. AS with all conspiracies, the proof is part of the conspiracy. Please, regale us with this tale of how it was somebody else and we just framed the Muslims for it. Please tell us how when Usama Bin Laden took credit for the attacks it wasn't really him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvTfU4uexrk

[Ansarullah]

Oh, the "No true Scotsman" I like this argument /s.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, that argument doesn't work here. Islam has a clearly defined set of beliefs that you cannot go against. When you kill another Muslim for no reason, you disobey the Qur'an. When you deny you disobeyed it despite it being as clear as possible, you deny the Qur'ans authenticity. When you deny that, you deny Islam. See where this leads?

[Diarcesia]

A test, if you will: will you accept a Christian's arguments that what the crusaders did are un-Christian?

Also, I hope for everyone's sake that ISIS doesn't speak for all Muslims

They were not. Crusaders were murderers who looted Christian kingdoms, raped Christian women and disgraced the name of Christianity for centuries afterwards.

No as in the Crusaders aren't Christian?

Or no, you don't accept the Christian's arguments?

[Arvenia]

A test, if you will: will you accept a Christian's arguments that what the crusaders did are un-Christian?

Also, I hope for everyone's sake that ISIS doesn't speak for all Muslims

They were not. Crusaders were murderers who looted Christian kingdoms, raped Christian women and disgraced the name of Christianity for centuries afterwards.

Since when did Crusaders loot Christian kingdoms and violate Christian women?

[Heloin]

He's DOS from the website so what's your point?

Scroll up for context.

It doesn't make sense in context. He's banned from the website for the way he expressed his views, that happens all the time. That you've not yet expressed genocide denial in a way that can get you kicked out isn't a mark of pride, it's pointing out you can lie but stick to the rules while doing so.

[Ansarullah]

No as in the Crusaders aren't Christian?

Or no, you don't accept the Christian's arguments?

It should be obvious but the former. I like Christianity and have genuinely thought of converting to it many times although I no long have those thoughts. Nontheless I respect it more than any other religion short of Islam and I understand the Crusades were not a representation of what it is.

[Ansarullah]

Since when did Crusaders loot Christian kingdoms and violate Christian women?

Remember Constantinople?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Oh, the "No true Scotsman" I like this argument /s.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, that argument doesn't work here. Islam has a clearly defined set of beliefs that you cannot go against. When you kill another Muslim for no reason, you disobey the Qur'an. When you deny you disobeyed it despite it being as clear as possible, you deny the Qur'ans authenticity. When you deny that, you deny Islam. See where this leads?

Yeah it leads to a logical position of almost nobody historically being a "real Muslim" because pretty much all the Islamic governments of the past broke some form of Islamic.

I mean, you say unjustified war is non-Islamic yet all the Caliphates of the past waged unjustified wars of expansion for no purpose but to gather more wealth, slaves and land.

[Diarcesia]

No as in the Crusaders aren't Christian?

Or no, you don't accept the Christian's arguments?

It should be obvious but the former. I like Christianity and have genuinely thought of converting to it many times although I no long have those thoughts. Nontheless I respect it more than any other religion short of Islam and I understand the Crusades were not a representation of what it is.

At least you're consistent on that.

[Heloin]

They were not. Crusaders were murderers who looted Christian kingdoms, raped Christian women and disgraced the name of Christianity for centuries afterwards.

Since when did Crusaders loot Christian kingdoms and violate Christian women?

tbf the third one burned and looted constantinople...

[Arvenia]

Scroll up for context.

It doesn't make sense in context. He's banned from the website for the way he expressed his views, that happens all the time. That you've not yet expressed genocide denial in a way that can get you kicked out isn't a mark of pride, it's pointing out you can lie but stick to the rules while doing so.

How did El-Amin get banned from this site while this thread is still up? I have been made aware of his questionable stance on slavery, but I am not ready to go further into that rabbit hole.

[Diarcesia]

Since when did Crusaders loot Christian kingdoms and violate Christian women?

Remember Constantinople?

Enrico Dandolo punching the air rn

[Tarsonis]

If it's worthless, oh well. It's better to say it and have it mean nothing than not say it when it could have meant something.

Not really.

Despite your opinion being wrong prima facie and riducule being the only proper response, this is a disengenious proposition. Your belieif isn't based on any debatable metric. It's purely dogmatic of "I believe Muhammad said this, therefore, these people should die.{/quote] Dogmatic assertions can't be proven wrong because there's nothing to debate. It's just your belief.

It's not just my belief nor is it even what I alone belief. It is a fact that Muhammad sallahu alaihi wasallam said that.

Not really. The Quran is pretty mum on the subject. The prohibition comes from the Hadiths, which even if are viewed as in line with what Muhammad said, its questionable as to whether or not they were his words, or the words of his contemporaries attributed to him.

That means nothing. In case you haven't noticed, nobody here takes you seriously. Not even your own brethren.

Why should I care?

A man who refuses to use his mind, spits in the eye of God.

[Ansarullah]

Yeah it leads to a logical position of almost nobody historically being a "real Muslim" because pretty much all the Islamic governments of the past broke some form of Islamic.

I mean, you say unjustified war is non-Islamic yet all the Caliphates of the past waged unjustified wars of expansion for no purpose but to gather more wealth, slaves and land.

There have been 4 Muslim caliphs and most after that were at best misguided. Being an inhabitant of an apostate kingdom or "caliphate" doesn't make you an apostate, many Muslims of the time did not have access to knowledge regarding the wrongdoings of their rulers.

[Immortan Khan]

Since when did Crusaders loot Christian kingdoms and violate Christian women?

tbf the third one burned and looted constantinople...

Fourth*