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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni
250
44%
Salafi
17
3%
Shi'a
48
8%
Qur'ani
13
2%
Ahmadi
9
2%
IbaaDi
10
2%
Sufi (either Sunni or Shi'a)
30
5%
Non-Denominational
87
15%
Other
102
18%
 
Total votes : 566

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:13 pm

Shalom.

And you only agreeing to drop it after learning there are Jews here is pretty vile. Then again your entire ideology of supporting violence against people you don't like is pretty vile

I didn't know you were Jewish. I'll stop talking about this then. I mean nothing against Jews as a people, only historical revisionism, as I've already stated.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:13 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You don't need them to be there to not say things like that, you know?
As for the record, yes, there are Jews there. Multiple even. I'm sorry for them if they have read those.

As am I. But I don't know of any Jews (or atleast any who care enough to make their identity obvious) looking here. If there are any, I'll drop this topic immediately.

I hope you are. Holocaust denialism is frankly, disgusting.

As to the LGBTQ+ group, even if Muslims usually don't approve of their lifestyle, we still have to afford basic decency and respect to them. What they are is their business with God, not ours.

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:13 pm

You're already offending people by denying basic history and wanting specific people dead. Saying "I'm trying to avoid wanting you dead out of politeness" doesn't make you any better, in fact, it makes you look like an utter prick.

I'm not denying my views (X2). I just don't want to cause any more drama than I already have.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:14 pm

Full stop. Hudud is hudud, period.
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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:14 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
Shalom.

And you only agreeing to drop it after learning there are Jews here is pretty vile. Then again your entire ideology of supporting violence against people you don't like is pretty vile

I didn't know you were Jewish. I'll stop talking about this then. I mean nothing against Jews as a people, only historical revisionism, as I've already stated.

An entire branch of my family was killed in Hitler's death camps. Take your fake apology and stuff it.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:15 pm

An entire branch of my family was killed in Hitler's death camps. Take your fake apology and stuff it.

Why would I make a fake apology in front of people who already think I'm a troll? It doesn't serve me any good.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:16 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You're already offending people by denying basic history and wanting specific people dead. Saying "I'm trying to avoid wanting you dead out of politeness" doesn't make you any better, in fact, it makes you look like an utter prick.

I'm not denying my views (X2). I just don't want to cause any more drama than I already have.


You are denying a history that has affected millions of people, so stop pretending.

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:17 pm

You are denying a history that has affected millions of people, so stop pretending

Pretending what?
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Postby Asayut » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:18 pm

Prydania wrote:
Ansarullah wrote:As am I. But I don't know of any Jews (or atleast any who care enough to make their identity obvious) looking here. If there are any, I'll drop this topic immediately.

Shalom.

And you only agreeing to drop it after learning there are Jews here is pretty vile. Then again your entire ideology of supporting violence against people you don't like is pretty vile.


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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:18 pm

He detests for the sake of Allah not for the sake of his ego this is why you can't understand

I don't know who you are but thanks?
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The foundation of this religion will not crumble, no matter how hard the Zionists try, and our humilliation is at it's end."
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:20 pm

This thread has become quite the dumpster fire again hasn't it?
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:20 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You are denying a history that has affected millions of people, so stop pretending

Pretending what?


Pretending the holocaust didn't happen. The evidence is well documented and has affected people.

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:20 pm

Jolthig wrote:This thread has become quite the dumpster fire again hasn't it?

Don't scroll up for the sake of your sanity
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:20 pm

Pretending the holocaust didn't happen. The evidence is well documented and has affected people

I already said I wanted to drop it. You wanna discuss this, we can do it somewhere else; I'm not continuing this here.
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"There is no power in the world that can overcome the will of Allah.
The foundation of this religion will not crumble, no matter how hard the Zionists try, and our humilliation is at it's end."
- Bashar al Assad. Feb. 25th 2022

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:21 pm

Jolthig wrote:This thread has become quite the dumpster fire again hasn't it?

It's.

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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:22 pm

Jolthig wrote:This thread has become quite the dumpster fire again hasn't it?


Understatement.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Jolthig wrote:This thread has become quite the dumpster fire again hasn't it?

It's.

No one has the right to deny or support genocide.

None of the views of some of the Muslims in here represent Islam.

Although I have these brothers blocked now because they also dislike me for my own views, being an Ahmadi, I am appalled and continued to be appalled by the behavior of some of the new users in here.
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Postby Arvenia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:25 pm

Jolthig wrote:This thread has become quite the dumpster fire again hasn't it?

Yeah, this thread has gone to absolute shit. You wouldn't believe the whole extent of this shitshow. The same thing also happened to the Afghanistan thread.
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:31 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
Pretending the holocaust didn't happen. The evidence is well documented and has affected people

I already said I wanted to drop it. You wanna discuss this, we can do it somewhere else; I'm not continuing this here.


That the Holocaust happened doesn't justify Israel and how it's treating the Palestinians. There's no reason to deny it.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:32 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
Lady Victory wrote:Also quelle surprise to see pro-Nazism from Muslims.

I guess it makes sense though. I've thought for a while now that Islam was the Fascism of religions. Islamofascism certainly makes more sense than Christofascism.

Is your entire personality "MUSLIM BAD" now?


You're not doing anything to dispel this notion. If anything, you're justifying it. If you're gonna make the claim that Nazisim and Islam have aligned goals, then Islam should be treated like Nazism. It's adherents should be othered, and ostracized from civilized society, and wars should be waged to destroy all Islamic powers.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:33 pm

You're not doing anything to dispel this notion. If anything, you're justifying it. If you're gonna make the claim that Nazisim and Islam have aligned goals, then it Islam should be treated like Nazism. It's adherents should be othered, and ostracized from civilized society, and wars should be waged to destroy all Islamic powers.

Then that's what you believe, because we do have aligned goals. Not that it matters to me. Death shouldn't scare a Muslim nor should oppression.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:33 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You're not doing anything to dispel this notion. If anything, you're justifying it. If you're gonna make the claim that Nazisim and Islam have aligned goals, then it Islam should be treated like Nazism. It's adherents should be othered, and ostracized from civilized society, and wars should be waged to destroy all Islamic powers.

Then that's what you believe, because we do have aligned goals. Not that it matters to me. Death shouldn't scare a Muslim nor should oppression.


It's not just what I believe. Nazism is an abhorrent ideological system. You're just proving the case that Islam is abhorrent as well.
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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:35 pm

It's not just what I believe. Nazism is an abhorrent ideological system. You're just proving the case that Islam is abhorrent as well

I'm not sugarcoating anything. If you want a "moderate" Muslim, go to Dowaesk.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:38 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
It's not just what I believe. Nazism is an abhorrent ideological system. You're just proving the case that Islam is abhorrent as well

I'm not sugarcoating anything. If you want a "moderate" Muslim, go to Dowaesk.


Nobody said anything about moderates or sugarcoating. You're professing a morally repugnant and indefensible ideology, and while proliferating demonstrably false lies in the process. You're advocating genocide, and with the most idiotic of justifications to boot.

You're not taking a stand for Islam, you're just proving the Islamophobes right.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
Debating Christian Theology with Non-Christians pretty much anybody be like

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:38 pm

Nobody said anything about moderates or sugarcoating. You're professing a morally repugnant and indefensible ideology, and while proliferating demonstrably false lies in the process. You're advocating genocide, and with the most idiotic of justifications to boot.

When did I advocate for genocide?
I denied a genocide. I never said Jews should be killed nor did I say I hated them. I denied they were killed on purpose.
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- Bashar al Assad. Feb. 25th 2022

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