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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni
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44%
Salafi
17
3%
Shi'a
48
8%
Qur'ani
13
2%
Ahmadi
9
2%
IbaaDi
10
2%
Sufi (either Sunni or Shi'a)
30
5%
Non-Denominational
87
15%
Other
102
18%
 
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:57 pm

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Wow, okay, this is just disgusting and stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

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Made up? Really?

The Shoah is a true disaster for European Jewry. Lots of people in Eastern Europe and parts of Western Europe were wiped out.

I don't even learn this in school ffs and I thought those in the West usually do.

School, the same place that teaches you 9/11 was committed by Muslims, that America is somehow the good guy in the world, etc.


I see you missed the linked sources that are accessible at the bottom of the page.

But w/e. This thread will be locked, thanks to you.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:57 pm

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He also didn't make the ideology. Precursor groups that espoused more less the same thing Hitler did had existed since the 1890's in both Germany and Austria, Hitler just had the most success at spreading the message

He led it, put it that way.
If you're gonna simp for the Nazis at least do some research lol.

I get my info on this from Nazis, I couldn't care less about the topic to research it thoroughly. It doesn't especially interest me.

He was a well-spoken politician who constantly got in the way of his generals, declared war on the Soviets before consolidating western Europe, declared war on the US when Japan did when he didn't have to, and called for a campaign of murder and extermination that rerouted supplies and troops that were desperately needed for the war effort to murder civilians which only led to more partisan activity and revolts.
Yeah he was a fucking idiot.

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:59 pm

I see you missed the linked sources that are accessible at the bottom of the page.

But w/e. This thread will be locked, thanks to you.

Lmao what. The thread was literally made by a guy who supported rape, slavery, etc. I doubt me denying the Holocaust is going to get this thread locked considering it's history.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:00 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
I see you missed the linked sources that are accessible at the bottom of the page.

But w/e. This thread will be locked, thanks to you.

Lmao what. The thread was literally made by a guy who supported rape, slavery, etc. I doubt me denying the Holocaust is going to get this thread locked considering it's history.

You'll notice said guy has been banned.

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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:01 pm

Czervenika wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Made up? Really?

The Shoah is a true disaster for European Jewry. Lots of people in Eastern Europe and parts of Western Europe were wiped out.

I don't even learn this in school ffs and I thought those in the West usually do.


Thank you for being a voice of reason in this thread. (I'm assuming you're a Muslim, hence my comment.)

Yeah, I'm a Muslim. I usually restrain myself from posting in this thread, but lately I can't anymore.

Ansarullah wrote:School, the same place that teaches you 9/11 was committed by Muslims, that America is somehow the good guy in the world, etc.

What
I don't learn stuffs like that in my school for your record, since I don't reside in the West. America is viewed rather negatively there just fyi.

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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:01 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
I see you missed the linked sources that are accessible at the bottom of the page.

But w/e. This thread will be locked, thanks to you.

Lmao what. The thread was literally made by a guy who supported rape, slavery, etc. I doubt me denying the Holocaust is going to get this thread locked considering it's history.


You did lowkey support the Third Reich's decisions for exterminating homosexuals though.

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:01 pm

You'll notice said guy has been banned.

I'm aware. I'm just saying if he advocated for that in this very thread and made it, I highly doubt this'll get locked just for me expressing an opinion.
At worst, I'm getting forum banned for flamebaiting or something similar. I can understand how the mods would make that connection even if it's not my intention.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:02 pm

You did lowkey support the Third Reich's decisions for exterminating homosexuals though

There's been worse said. And I purposely avoided that topic since I didn't want to say anything that would offend any LGBT-affiliated individuals looking here.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:03 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You did lowkey support the Third Reich's decisions for exterminating homosexuals though

There's been worse said. And I purposely avoided that topic since I didn't want to say anything that would offend any LGBT-affiliated individuals looking here.


You already made your views quite obvious.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:03 pm

You already made your views quite obvious

Yes, because it doesn't take much to put two and two together. I just don't want to say it outright for the reasons I just stated.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:04 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You did lowkey support the Third Reich's decisions for exterminating homosexuals though

There's been worse said. And I purposely avoided that topic since I didn't want to say anything that would offend any LGBT-affiliated individuals looking here.


"I don't want to offend the LGBTQ+ community for wanting them dead, but I will offend everyone and say the holocaust didn't happen despite the evidence".

Either you're an edgy teen and this is late NSG summer, a troll committed to this facade, or someone who truly believes this.

If it is the third option, I feel sorry for you.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:04 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Ansarullah wrote:Lmao what. The thread was literally made by a guy who supported rape, slavery, etc. I doubt me denying the Holocaust is going to get this thread locked considering it's history.


You did lowkey support the Third Reich's decisions for exterminating homosexuals though.

I mean most people dance around admitting that their views are evil. You come right and say "Yeah I support murdering people."

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Postby Asayut » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:05 pm

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Ansarullah wrote:There's been worse said. And I purposely avoided that topic since I didn't want to say anything that would offend any LGBT-affiliated individuals looking here.


You already made your views quite obvious.


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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 pm

I mean most people dance around admitting that their views are evil. You come right and say "Yeah I support murdering people."

It's the opinion of most Muslims and all scholars of Islam.
I don't want to offend the LGBTQ+ community fro wanting them dead, but I will offend everyone and say the holocaust didn;t happen despite the evidence"

Are there any Jews here? I don't know of any, so I don't see a reason to shy away from the topic. What I do know is that multiple members of the other community are here and I'd rather not say something I regret.
Either you're an edgy teen, and this is late NSG summer, a troll committed to this facade, or someone who truly believes this.

If it is the third option, I feel sorry for you.

It's the third option. Ask anyone I know, I believe this genuinely.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:07 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
I mean most people dance around admitting that their views are evil. You come right and say "Yeah I support murdering people."

It's the opinion of most Muslims and all scholars of Islam.
I don't want to offend the LGBTQ+ community fro wanting them dead, but I will offend everyone and say the holocaust didn;t happen despite the evidence"

Are there any Jews here? I don't know of any, so I don't see a reason to shy away from the topic. What I do know is that multiple members of the other community are here and I'd rather not say something I regret.
Either you're an edgy teen, and this is late NSG summer, a troll committed to this facade, or someone who truly believes this.

If it is the third option, I feel sorry for you.

It's the third option. Ask anyone I know, I believe this genuinely.


The holocaust didn't just kill the Jews, as the evidence provided has stated.

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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:08 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
I mean most people dance around admitting that their views are evil. You come right and say "Yeah I support murdering people."

It's the opinion of most Muslims and all scholars of Islam.
I don't want to offend the LGBTQ+ community fro wanting them dead, but I will offend everyone and say the holocaust didn;t happen despite the evidence"

Are there any Jews here? I don't know of any, so I don't see a reason to shy away from the topic. What I do know is that multiple members of the other community are here and I'd rather not say something I regret.
Either you're an edgy teen, and this is late NSG summer, a troll committed to this facade, or someone who truly believes this.

If it is the third option, I feel sorry for you.

It's the third option. Ask anyone I know, I believe this genuinely.


If this is the opinion of Islam then Islam is disgusting. Not even Christianity, well-known for homophobic views, supports murdering them outright.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:09 pm

The holocaust didn't just kill the Jews, as the evidence provided has stated

What does that have to do with anything? I already said I'm focusing on the Jewish part and that I'm avoiding the LGBTQ+ part on purpose as to not offend anyone anymore than I already have. Considering the amount of drama this is already causing I'm tempted to just drop this entirely.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:09 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
I mean most people dance around admitting that their views are evil. You come right and say "Yeah I support murdering people."

It's the opinion of most Muslims and all scholars of Islam.
I don't want to offend the LGBTQ+ community fro wanting them dead, but I will offend everyone and say the holocaust didn;t happen despite the evidence"

Are there any Jews here? I don't know of any, so I don't see a reason to shy away from the topic. What I do know is that multiple members of the other community are here and I'd rather not say something I regret.
Either you're an edgy teen, and this is late NSG summer, a troll committed to this facade, or someone who truly believes this.

If it is the third option, I feel sorry for you.

It's the third option. Ask anyone I know, I believe this genuinely.

You don't need them to be there to not say things like that, you know?
As for the record, yes, there are Jews there. Multiple even. I'm sorry for them if they have read those.

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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:09 pm

If this is the opinion of Islam then Islam is disgusting. Not even Christianity, well-known for homophobic views, supports murdering them outright.

Leviticus 20:13 & 18:22.
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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:10 pm

Ansarullah wrote:Are there any Jews here? I don't know of any, so I don't see a reason to shy away from the topic. What I do know is that multiple members of the other community are here and I'd rather not say something I regret.


viewtopic.php?f=20&t=313500

It's kind of terrible that you only avoid saying awful things if you think someone from the targeted group won't see or hear you.
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Postby Czervenika » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:10 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
If this is the opinion of Islam then Islam is disgusting. Not even Christianity, well-known for homophobic views, supports murdering them outright.

Leviticus 20:13 & 18:22.


OT legalism does not apply under the new covenant.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:10 pm

You don't need them to be there to not say things like that, you know?
As for the record, yes, there are Jews there. Multiple even. I'm sorry for them if they have read those.

As am I. But I don't know of any Jews (or atleast any who care enough to make their identity obvious) looking here. If there are any, I'll drop this topic immediately.
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Postby Ansarullah » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:11 pm

It's kind of terrible that you only avoid saying awful things if you think someone from the targeted group won't see or hear you

I try not to offend. I'm not going to deny my views, I just know the reaction they'll get and thus I avoid talking about the more extreme ones. Except in this circumstance about Jews, and I already regret that.
OT legalism does not apply under the new covenant.

"I came not to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it."
Off topic anyways and I'm not getting into another heated discussion.
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Postby Prydania » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:12 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
You don't need them to be there to not say things like that, you know?
As for the record, yes, there are Jews there. Multiple even. I'm sorry for them if they have read those.

As am I. But I don't know of any Jews (or atleast any who care enough to make their identity obvious) looking here. If there are any, I'll drop this topic immediately.

Shalom.

And you only agreeing to drop it after learning there are Jews here is pretty vile. Then again your entire ideology of supporting violence against people you don't like is pretty vile.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:12 pm

Ansarullah wrote:
The holocaust didn't just kill the Jews, as the evidence provided has stated

What does that have to do with anything? I already said I'm focusing on the Jewish part and that I'm avoiding the LGBTQ+ part on purpose as to not offend anyone anymore than I already have. Considering the amount of drama this is already causing I'm tempted to just drop this entirely.


You're already offending people by denying basic history and wanting specific people dead. Saying "I'm trying to avoid wanting you dead out of politeness" doesn't make you any better, in fact, it makes you look like an utter prick.

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