Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Fatimida]

What if I want to eat the butter? Although now that you bring up it's on the road that's a bit disgusting.

[A m e n r i a]

Bacteria:

[Fatimida]

You didn't specify harmful bacteria. Considering this is a dream that doesn't obey the laws of Earth or it's ecosystem the bacteria could turn me into a butter-kitten.

[A m e n r i a]

"What do you want to be after you graduate?"
"A butter kitten."

Answer that whenever someone asks, I dare you.

[Fatimida]

Legit the funniest thing I've seen today thank you for that

[A m e n r i a]

Sure thing, mate

[Dowaesk]

Next in line: Butter Kitten Discussion Thread

[A m e n r i a]

I should start such a thread.

[Fatimida]

This IS the Butter Kitten Discussion Thread now

[Muzehnaya]

(For clarity, this is a response to this post in another thread)

With regards to the beliefs of the Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais, they are absolutely dissimilar to that of the rest of the Muslims. I hope that the following will concisely illustrate why:

I saw in my dream that I am God myself and I became certain of it that indeed I am Him.

I saw in my kashf that I am God myself and I became certain of it… In this instant, I saw that the soul of Allah encased upon me and absorbed me, possessing my body until there not a single atom of me remained and I saw my body that my organs became His organs and my eye had become His eye and my ears had become His ears and my tongue had become His tongue… godhood ascended upon me very strongly and I was pulled towards it from my head to toe… godhood was infused in my muscles and veins… And at that instance, I believed that my organs are not mine but of Allah…

In Mirza Sahib's own writing, he claims that he is Allah (SWT) himself. This is blatant kufr and shirk.

I swear by the God in whose Hand is my soul, that He is the One who sent me, and He named me Nabi, and He called me by the name of the Promised Messiah.

And here we have Mirza Sahib claiming that he is a prophet who has come after Muhammad (SAW). This is also something which clearly takes one out of the fold of Islam; in the words of Abu Hanifa:

Claiming prophethood after the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is kufr and the entire ummah has unanimity on it.

They also hold the belief that Mirza Sahib and Muhammad (SAW) are apparently the same person. In the words of Mirza Sahib's son:

The Promised Messiah and the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) are not two separate beings

This is obviously an absurd belief, and no Muslim holds it.

Satanic words sometimes also find their way in the revelation of the prophets and the messengers.

Again, no Muslim holds this sentiment. This is not entirely dissimilar from the ridiculous arguments of the "Satanic Verses" that I have seen some Christian missionaries use.

Some foolish Companions had no inkling of wisdom

Abu Hurairah was stupid, and did not narrate well.

It suffices to say that we do not address the Sahaba in this blatantly disrespectful manner.

We maintain that the Quran does not exist anymore. If it had existed, why would there be a need for another prophet? The problem is that the Quran had been retracted from the world. This is why it was necessary for the Prophet Muhammad to return again in buroozi form [as Mirza Sahib] so that the Quran can be revealed once again.

Muslims believe that the Quran still exists and that there was no need for another prophet. This talk of being "retracted from the world" is absolute nonsense.

A significant portion of my life has been spent supporting and backing the British Empire, and I have written so much about the prohibition of Jihad and loyalty to the British Government that if all those books and pamphlets are collected in one place, they can fill 50 bookcases. I have propagated these books to the Arab world, Egypt, Syria, Kabul, and Rome. It has always been my effort that Muslims affirm true allegiance to this Empire, and forget the blood-laden narrations of Messiah and Mahdi, which are unsubstantiated, and the matters of Jihad which work up the emotions, and upsets the hearts of the fools.

In this quote, he both denies the validity of Jihad generally, and then denies its validity against the British colonizers. The former is a clear denial of the Quranic verses, which is kufr. The latter is just extremely stupid. Why were we forbidden from fighting against the colonizers? Well, according to Mirza:

Some foolish and ignorant people ask whether it is permissible to wage Jihad against this government or not. Know that this question indicates extreme stupidity, for what Jihad can be waged against the one for whom it is obligatory to offer gratitude for their benevolence? I affirm that maliciousness towards your benefactor is the way of bastards and adulterers.

Apparently the British deserved our undying gratitude and loyalty in return for the "benevolence" of their inadequate administrative policies causing the deaths of over 30 million people in famines over the course of about 150 years.

All Muslims who did not pledge allegiance to Mirza Qadiyani, even if they may have never heard his name, are kaafir and outside the fold of Islam.

This also makes their beliefs dissimilar to the rest of the Muslims, because according to them, we are not even considered Muslims to begin with.

[Fatimida]

(For clarity, this is a response to this post in another thread)

With regards to the beliefs of the Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais, they are absolutely dissimilar to that of the rest of the Muslims. I hope that the following will concisely illustrate why:

I saw in my dream that I am God myself and I became certain of it that indeed I am Him.

I saw in my kashf that I am God myself and I became certain of it… In this instant, I saw that the soul of Allah encased upon me and absorbed me, possessing my body until there not a single atom of me remained and I saw my body that my organs became His organs and my eye had become His eye and my ears had become His ears and my tongue had become His tongue… godhood ascended upon me very strongly and I was pulled towards it from my head to toe… godhood was infused in my muscles and veins… And at that instance, I believed that my organs are not mine but of Allah…

In Mirza Sahib's own writing, he claims that he is Allah (SWT) himself. This is blatant kufr and shirk.

I swear by the God in whose Hand is my soul, that He is the One who sent me, and He named me Nabi, and He called me by the name of the Promised Messiah.

And here we have Mirza Sahib claiming that he is a prophet who has come after Muhammad (SAW). This is also something which clearly takes one out of the fold of Islam; in the words of Abu Hanifa:

Claiming prophethood after the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is kufr and the entire ummah has unanimity on it.

They also hold the belief that Mirza Sahib and Muhammad (SAW) are apparently the same person. In the words of Mirza Sahib's son:

The Promised Messiah and the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) are not two separate beings

This is obviously an absurd belief, and no Muslim holds it.

Satanic words sometimes also find their way in the revelation of the prophets and the messengers.

Again, no Muslim holds this sentiment. This is not entirely dissimilar from the ridiculous arguments of the "Satanic Verses" that I have seen some Christian missionaries use.

Some foolish Companions had no inkling of wisdom

Abu Hurairah was stupid, and did not narrate well.

It suffices to say that we do not address the Sahaba in this blatantly disrespectful manner.

We maintain that the Quran does not exist anymore. If it had existed, why would there be a need for another prophet? The problem is that the Quran had been retracted from the world. This is why it was necessary for the Prophet Muhammad to return again in buroozi form [as Mirza Sahib] so that the Quran can be revealed once again.

Muslims believe that the Quran still exists and that there was no need for another prophet. This talk of being "retracted from the world" is absolute nonsense.

A significant portion of my life has been spent supporting and backing the British Empire, and I have written so much about the prohibition of Jihad and loyalty to the British Government that if all those books and pamphlets are collected in one place, they can fill 50 bookcases. I have propagated these books to the Arab world, Egypt, Syria, Kabul, and Rome. It has always been my effort that Muslims affirm true allegiance to this Empire, and forget the blood-laden narrations of Messiah and Mahdi, which are unsubstantiated, and the matters of Jihad which work up the emotions, and upsets the hearts of the fools.

In this quote, he both denies the validity of Jihad generally, and then denies its validity against the British colonizers. The former is a clear denial of the Quranic verses, which is kufr. The latter is just extremely stupid. Why were we forbidden from fighting against the colonizers? Well, according to Mirza:

Some foolish and ignorant people ask whether it is permissible to wage Jihad against this government or not. Know that this question indicates extreme stupidity, for what Jihad can be waged against the one for whom it is obligatory to offer gratitude for their benevolence? I affirm that maliciousness towards your benefactor is the way of bastards and adulterers.

Apparently the British deserved our undying gratitude and loyalty in return for the "benevolence" of their inadequate administrative policies causing the deaths of over 30 million people in famines over the course of about 150 years.

All Muslims who did not pledge allegiance to Mirza Qadiyani, even if they may have never heard his name, are kaafir and outside the fold of Islam.

This also makes their beliefs dissimilar to the rest of the Muslims, because according to them, we are not even considered Muslims to begin with.

Interesting. Where did you get all of these quotes?

[North Washington Republic]

I wanted to ask the Muslims of NSG that in Islam, is it permissible for male and females to be friends? I’ve heard different opinions about this

[Fatimida]

I wanted to ask the Muslims of NSG that in Islam, is it permissible for male and females to be friends? I’ve heard different opinions about this

As long as it's not sexual, yes.
It should be minimized, however. I can elaborate further if you wish.

[North Washington Republic]

I wanted to ask the Muslims of NSG that in Islam, is it permissible for male and females to be friends? I’ve heard different opinions about this

As long as it's not sexual, yes.

See, I was wondering. I was friends with a Muslim girl in high school. She even wore that niqab for a while. Then I heard from some Muslim on Tiktok that it’s not permissible for Muslim females to be friends with males. I was thinking to myself “I never heard of that!”

[Muzehnaya]

(For clarity, this is a response to this post in another thread)

With regards to the beliefs of the Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais, they are absolutely dissimilar to that of the rest of the Muslims. I hope that the following will concisely illustrate why:


In Mirza Sahib's own writing, he claims that he is Allah (SWT) himself. This is blatant kufr and shirk.

And here we have Mirza Sahib claiming that he is a prophet who has come after Muhammad (SAW). This is also something which clearly takes one out of the fold of Islam; in the words of Abu Hanifa:

They also hold the belief that Mirza Sahib and Muhammad (SAW) are apparently the same person. In the words of Mirza Sahib's son:

This is obviously an absurd belief, and no Muslim holds it.

Again, no Muslim holds this sentiment. This is not entirely dissimilar from the ridiculous arguments of the "Satanic Verses" that I have seen some Christian missionaries use.


It suffices to say that we do not address the Sahaba in this blatantly disrespectful manner.

Muslims believe that the Quran still exists and that there was no need for another prophet. This talk of being "retracted from the world" is absolute nonsense.

In this quote, he both denies the validity of Jihad generally, and then denies its validity against the British colonizers. The former is a clear denial of the Quranic verses, which is kufr. The latter is just extremely stupid. Why were we forbidden from fighting against the colonizers? Well, according to Mirza:

Apparently the British deserved our undying gratitude and loyalty in return for the "benevolence" of their inadequate administrative policies causing the deaths of over 30 million people in famines over the course of about 150 years.

This also makes their beliefs dissimilar to the rest of the Muslims, because according to them, we are not even considered Muslims to begin with.

Interesting. Where did you get all of these quotes?

https://www.answering-ahmadiyya.org/

I'm aware that the site may be biased, but I can't really see a reasonable explanation for any of these quotes.

[Fatimida]

TikTok is not a good source for theology, or really anything.
So long as your relationship wasn't sexual or romantic and was purely platonic, it was completely halal.

[North Washington Republic]

TikTok is not a good source for theology, or really anything.
So long as your relationship wasn't sexual or romantic and was purely platonic, it was completely halal.

Lol, I can assure you, it was purely platonic. I think during the last days of school, I actually considered converting to Islam. She gave me some pamphlets, and said “be sure that if you want to convert/revert, be sure to study and think about it.” Which I’ve found out that how most Muslims approach proselytizing. This is similar to what Catholics do.

Unlike Evangelical Christians, who want to convert as many people as quickly as possible. To put it in a way Muslims understand, it would be like asking someone to say the Shahada 5 minutes after meeting them

[Fatimida]

TikTok is not a good source for theology, or really anything.
So long as your relationship wasn't sexual or romantic and was purely platonic, it was completely halal.

Lol, I can assure you, it was purely platonic. I think during the last days of school, I actually considered converting to Islam. She gave me some pamphlets, and said “be sure that if you want to convert/revert, be sure to study and think about it.” Which I’ve found out that how most Muslims approach proselytizing. This is similar to what Catholics do.

Unlike Evangelical Christians, who want to convert as many people as quickly as possible. To put it in a way Muslims understand, it would be like asking someone to say the Shahada 5 minutes after meeting them

What religion do you adhere to, if any?
And I can personally relate to that. My entry into Islam was due to a friend of mine, who adhered to Ismailiism the same way I now do, teaching me about it and encouraging me to look further into it. So I did, and I eventually converted.

[North Washington Republic]

Lol, I can assure you, it was purely platonic. I think during the last days of school, I actually considered converting to Islam. She gave me some pamphlets, and said “be sure that if you want to convert/revert, be sure to study and think about it.” Which I’ve found out that how most Muslims approach proselytizing. This is similar to what Catholics do.

Unlike Evangelical Christians, who want to convert as many people as quickly as possible. To put it in a way Muslims understand, it would be like asking someone to say the Shahada 5 minutes after meeting them

What religion do you adhere to, if any?
And I can personally relate to that. My entry into Islam was due to a friend of mine, who adhered to Ismailiism the same way I now do, teaching me about it and encouraging me to look further into it. So I did, and I eventually converted.

At the time, I was a conservative Pentecostal Protestant. Currently, I’m a deist. I respect religions that encourage you to study and reflect before converting. Evangelical Protestants tend to peer pressure you into converting you right away.

[Muzehnaya]

TikTok is not a good source for theology, or really anything.
So long as your relationship wasn't sexual or romantic and was purely platonic, it was completely halal.

Lol, I can assure you, it was purely platonic. I think during the last days of school, I actually considered converting to Islam. She gave me some pamphlets, and said “be sure that if you want to convert/revert, be sure to study and think about it.” Which I’ve found out that how most Muslims approach proselytizing. This is similar to what Catholics do.

Unlike Evangelical Christians, who want to convert as many people as quickly as possible. To put it in a way Muslims understand, it would be like asking someone to say the Shahada 5 minutes after meeting them

Lol, while I can't really speak to the behavior of Evangelicals, I feel like it's very important to understand what you are believing in, and believe in it sincerely before taking the Shahada. Otherwise, it's almost like a blind declaration of faith in something you don't really understand or believe in.

Also, purely out of curiosity, did you have a specific reason you chose not to convert? Or was it more of a "I'm comfortable enough with my own beliefs already" sort of thing?

[Muzehnaya]

Lol, I can assure you, it was purely platonic. I think during the last days of school, I actually considered converting to Islam. She gave me some pamphlets, and said “be sure that if you want to convert/revert, be sure to study and think about it.” Which I’ve found out that how most Muslims approach proselytizing. This is similar to what Catholics do.

Unlike Evangelical Christians, who want to convert as many people as quickly as possible. To put it in a way Muslims understand, it would be like asking someone to say the Shahada 5 minutes after meeting them

What religion do you adhere to, if any?
And I can personally relate to that. My entry into Islam was due to a friend of mine, who adhered to Ismailiism the same way I now do, teaching me about it and encouraging me to look further into it. So I did, and I eventually converted.

Subhanallah. I was fortunate enough to be born into a Muslim family, although I didn't really start "investigating" Islam until later. I stumbled across a website that was basically dedicated to "refuting" Islam and proving that it called for me to kill others and whatnot. That shook me a lot, and pretty much became the starting point for me looking deeper into Islam.

[North Washington Republic]

Lol, I can assure you, it was purely platonic. I think during the last days of school, I actually considered converting to Islam. She gave me some pamphlets, and said “be sure that if you want to convert/revert, be sure to study and think about it.” Which I’ve found out that how most Muslims approach proselytizing. This is similar to what Catholics do.

Unlike Evangelical Christians, who want to convert as many people as quickly as possible. To put it in a way Muslims understand, it would be like asking someone to say the Shahada 5 minutes after meeting them

Lol, while I can't really speak to the behavior of Evangelicals, I feel like it's very important to understand what you are believing in, and believe in it sincerely before taking the Shahada. Otherwise, it's almost like a blind declaration of faith in something you don't really understand or believe in.

Also, purely out of curiosity, did you have a specific reason you chose not to convert? Or was it more of a "I'm comfortable enough with my own beliefs already" sort of thing?

I certainly can speak for Evangelical Christians. They treat conversion as doing a speed run of Donkey Kong 64. Convert as many people as quickly as possible. I was..very outspoken about my beliefs. I got in trouble a few times, but the Muslim friend I brought up before actually defended me for religious convection and being able to express them. Mind you, this is a inner-city school with about 2,000 students in a very progressive city.

As for not converting, I was comfortable with my beliefs already. I was a minor at the time, so the response of my family would also played a major role. I think my family would accept me as a Muslim, but they would definitely be the type to make rude comments from time to time.

[Fatimida]

What religion do you adhere to, if any?
And I can personally relate to that. My entry into Islam was due to a friend of mine, who adhered to Ismailiism the same way I now do, teaching me about it and encouraging me to look further into it. So I did, and I eventually converted.

Subhanallah. I was fortunate enough to be born into a Muslim family, although I didn't really start "investigating" Islam until later. I stumbled across a website that was basically dedicated to "refuting" Islam and proving that it called for me to kill others and whatnot. That shook me a lot, and pretty much became the starting point for me looking deeper into Islam.

What sect do you adhere to, if any?
And it's a good thing you didn't become either an extremist because of what you read or one of the atheist types who don't bother to genuinely read the Qur'an and see what it truly says.

[North Washington Republic]

Subhanallah. I was fortunate enough to be born into a Muslim family, although I didn't really start "investigating" Islam until later. I stumbled across a website that was basically dedicated to "refuting" Islam and proving that it called for me to kill others and whatnot. That shook me a lot, and pretty much became the starting point for me looking deeper into Islam.

What sect do you adhere to, if any?
And it's a good thing you didn't become either an extremist because of what you read or one of the atheist types who don't bother to genuinely read the Qur'an and see what it truly says.

Oh, I’ve heard some Christians claim that Muslims worship the moon. So it’s best to get your info from creditable sources.

[Fatimida]

What sect do you adhere to, if any?
And it's a good thing you didn't become either an extremist because of what you read or one of the atheist types who don't bother to genuinely read the Qur'an and see what it truly says.

Oh, I’ve heard some Christians claim that Muslims worship the moon. So it’s best to get your info from creditable sources. :roll:

I've seen those types before. The Crescent isn't even the official symbol lol.