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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni
250
44%
Salafi
17
3%
Shi'a
48
8%
Qur'ani
13
2%
Ahmadi
9
2%
IbaaDi
10
2%
Sufi (either Sunni or Shi'a)
30
5%
Non-Denominational
87
15%
Other
102
18%
 
Total votes : 566

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:38 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Jolthig wrote:I am well. Alhamdulilah.

I'm just increasing my knowledge of Islam through my continuous readings. Man, do I love reading. :D

Well, reading is indeed fun for those who can find the joy in it. It opens our window of the world too so to speak :p

What books or works are you currently reading?

Many.

Haqiqatul-Wahi (The Philosophy of Revelation) by Mirza Gulam Ahmad

Ijaz-i-Ahmadi (The Miracle of Ahmad) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

The Bible

And a few others.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:38 pm

Salaam.

I'm going to start memorizing more Quran chapters and I want to extend this to hadith narrations too. I want to put my mind into the mindset of an ancient Arab who relied mostly on oral traditions just to see what it's like and when I do tabligh, I can actually practice what I know.

Not to impress but because it just feels right, and I think it's good for the mind and spirit.

When I recite arabic, I always feel a strong connection and a feeling of peace within it

Also to increase my knowledge of Arabic as I eventually want to venture into the territory of reading arabic by itself.

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Postby Negarakita » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:46 pm

Good on you. I should really learn sourate an Nas, I have everything but the long last ayat. Had good iman lately which is nice. Truly Allah grants us mercy and guidance in all forms and we must follow it to him.
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:43 pm

Negarakita wrote:Good on you. I should really learn sourate an Nas, I have everything but the long last ayat. Had good iman lately which is nice. Truly Allah grants us mercy and guidance in all forms and we must follow it to him.

Inshallah brother.

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Postby Jolthig » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:38 am

Planning to make a Twitter thread this weekend, explaining how both Saudi Arabian and Pakistani scholars mislead much of the Ummah and radicalize them into Jihadism. Definitely going to share on here as well to enlighten everyone.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:40 am

Jolthig wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Well, reading is indeed fun for those who can find the joy in it. It opens our window of the world too so to speak :p

What books or works are you currently reading?

Many.

Haqiqatul-Wahi (The Philosophy of Revelation) by Mirza Gulam Ahmad

Ijaz-i-Ahmadi (The Miracle of Ahmad) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

The Bible

And a few others.

Have a good read! Sorry for the late response.

Jolthig wrote:Planning to make a Twitter thread this weekend, explaining how both Saudi Arabian and Pakistani scholars mislead much of the Ummah and radicalize them into Jihadism. Definitely going to share on here as well to enlighten everyone.

Good luck, jazakallah.

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Postby Negarakita » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:01 am

Jolthig wrote:
Negarakita wrote:Good on you. I should really learn sourate an Nas, I have everything but the long last ayat. Had good iman lately which is nice. Truly Allah grants us mercy and guidance in all forms and we must follow it to him.

Inshallah brother.

How is everything?

Things are great I have started working on some long time mental issues which is good and I'm feeling very religious lately in terms of my love for Allah cos of all his blessings and just gotta take time out of the day to celebrate them.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:21 am

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Inshallah brother.

How is everything?

Things are great I have started working on some long time mental issues which is good and I'm feeling very religious lately in terms of my love for Allah cos of all his blessings and just gotta take time out of the day to celebrate them.

That's good. Alhamdulilah.

May Allah give you strength. Ameen.
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Postby Jolthig » Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:04 pm

https://youtu.be/fS9aaSgVv70

Video I made debunking Imam Ibn Kathir's tafsir on Quran 9:5, and no disrespect to the respected imam, but he was occasionally flawed in his ijtihad. This is a response to both Salafists and opponents of islam that quote from this tafsir. North German Realm & Alma Matter, watch this video.
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Postby Negarakita » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:34 pm

I haven't been to a mosque in so long and it's paining me but theyre hard to find here in switzerland
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Postby Negarakita » Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:37 pm

Jolthig wrote:https://youtu.be/fS9aaSgVv70

Video I made debunking Imam Ibn Kathir's tafsir on Quran 9:5, and no disrespect to the respected imam, but he was occasionally flawed in his ijtihad. This is a response to both Salafists and opponents of islam that quote from this tafsir. North German Realm & Alma Matter, watch this video.

Also bro your pakol is beautiful they're such cool hats.
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:52 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:https://youtu.be/fS9aaSgVv70

Video I made debunking Imam Ibn Kathir's tafsir on Quran 9:5, and no disrespect to the respected imam, but he was occasionally flawed in his ijtihad. This is a response to both Salafists and opponents of islam that quote from this tafsir. North German Realm & Alma Matter, watch this video.

Also bro your pakol is beautiful they're such cool hats.

Thanks bro!

Negarakita wrote:I haven't been to a mosque in so long and it's paining me but theyre hard to find here in switzerland

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Postby Insaanistan » Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:57 am

Negarakita wrote:I haven't been to a mosque in so long and it's paining me but theyre hard to find here in switzerland


InshâAllah, it will get easier. Remember Surah al-Inshirah "Verily, with hardship comes ease."
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:04 am

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Negarakita wrote:I haven't been to a mosque in so long and it's paining me but theyre hard to find here in switzerland


InshâAllah, it will get easier. Remember Surah al-Inshirah "Verily, with hardship comes ease."

Ameen brother
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:13 am

Planning on writing blog-like material on my Factbook to expand on my views on Islam & the world so that way I don't always have to make it in thread form lest I mess up the forum page.

Been really expanding my preaching platform lately especially with this cornavirus epidemic which I believe for certain, it is a sign from Allah for us to worship him. I cannot say for certain, it's a punishment, but it is for sure, a trial.

But nonetheless, combined with my Khalifa encouraging us to do more preaching, I've been more aggressive and outspoken about my preaching of Islam Ahmadiyyah lately.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:33 pm

Salaam brothers. I hope you're all doing well. This cornavirus and the panic surrounding it is a calamity of biblical proportions. Remember that this world is only temporary and it is only Allah who is our Home and Trust.

Let go of the self so that one may prosper. Inshallah.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:25 pm

Jolthig wrote:Salaam brothers. I hope you're all doing well. This cornavirus and the panic surrounding it is a calamity of biblical proportions. Remember that this world is only temporary and it is only Allah who is our Home and Trust.

Let go of the self so that one may prosper. Inshallah.

Salaam Jolt, thanks for the good words. May you are doing well yourselves too.

I think....it makes me remember God more, perhaps? With now I am unable to go back to hometown, I've resigned to pray to God for my parents' safety more than I usually do.
On the other hand....well, I'm not the kind of Muslim who often goes to the mosque for communal prayers, but....what with the pandemic and parents insisting that I limit my time outside as much as possible, I kind of wondering, should I attend Friday prayers too?

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Postby Insaanistan » Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:43 am

Jolthig wrote:Salaam brothers. I hope you're all doing well. This cornavirus and the panic surrounding it is a calamity of biblical proportions. Remember that this world is only temporary and it is only Allah who is our Home and Trust.

Let go of the self so that one may prosper. Inshallah.


MashâAllah. Indeed, this dunya is temporary, but we must always remember to make the most of it without putting the dunya over our deen and the akhira. Let us make duā for those who have been infected or affected by the Covid-19 virus, and ask Allah to protect us and make us people of Janat al-firdaws.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:17 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Salaam brothers. I hope you're all doing well. This cornavirus and the panic surrounding it is a calamity of biblical proportions. Remember that this world is only temporary and it is only Allah who is our Home and Trust.

Let go of the self so that one may prosper. Inshallah.

Salaam Jolt, thanks for the good words. May you are doing well yourselves too.

I think....it makes me remember God more, perhaps? With now I am unable to go back to hometown, I've resigned to pray to God for my parents' safety more than I usually do.
On the other hand....well, I'm not the kind of Muslim who often goes to the mosque for communal prayers, but....what with the pandemic and parents insisting that I limit my time outside as much as possible, I kind of wondering, should I attend Friday prayers too?

While you have free time from homework and online class obligations, I can send you some books you can read inshallah.

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Jolthig wrote:Salaam brothers. I hope you're all doing well. This cornavirus and the panic surrounding it is a calamity of biblical proportions. Remember that this world is only temporary and it is only Allah who is our Home and Trust.

Let go of the self so that one may prosper. Inshallah.


MashâAllah. Indeed, this dunya is temporary, but we must always remember to make the most of it without putting the dunya over our deen and the akhira. Let us make duā for those who have been infected or affected by the Covid-19 virus, and ask Allah to protect us and make us people of Janat al-firdaws.

Of course. Ameen.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:51 pm

So today, I got in the mail the first volume of a commentary of Sahih Muslim by Imam Al-Nawawi (ra). Excited to read.
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:24 am

Hello NSG, if anyone of you has Twitter and has seen the trending hashtag "#MessiahHasCome", that's my community. If anyone has any questions on Ahmadiyya, feel free to ask.

Yaum Masih Ma'ud Mubarak! (Happy Promised Messiah Day)
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Postby Arshanid Deccan » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:54 pm

Jolthig wrote:Hello NSG, if anyone of you has Twitter and has seen the trending hashtag "#MessiahHasCome", that's my community. If anyone has any questions on Ahmadiyya, feel free to ask.

Yaum Masih Ma'ud Mubarak! (Happy Promised Messiah Day)


Salam Brother
Out of curiosity I am asking you this as I do not know much about Ahmadiyya belief. I believe that the Mahdi will one day unify the Muslim World and act as its final Caliph and Mujaddid, I also believe that the Messiah and the Mahdi will be two different people. But Ahmadiyya believe that their founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is both. Also he has not done what the Prophecy say that the Mahdi and Messiah will do. Such as he never unified the Muslim World and bring its final Revival, and he never fought the Dajjal as the Messiah will. Some people have told me that according to Ahmaddiya belief the Messiah and the Mahdi will not be just one person but a succession of people and eventually they will fulfill the prophecies, is this true?
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Postby Western Arab Empire » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:04 pm

I know everyone is talking about coronavirus on more relevant threads. But I'd like to know how your individual various Muslim communities are responding. Are mosques still open? Are the congregational prayers still being observed?
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Arshanid Deccan wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Hello NSG, if anyone of you has Twitter and has seen the trending hashtag "#MessiahHasCome", that's my community. If anyone has any questions on Ahmadiyya, feel free to ask.

Yaum Masih Ma'ud Mubarak! (Happy Promised Messiah Day)


Salam Brother
Out of curiosity I am asking you this as I do not know much about Ahmadiyya belief. I believe that the Mahdi will one day unify the Muslim World and act as its final Caliph and Mujaddid, I also believe that the Messiah and the Mahdi will be two different people. But Ahmadiyya believe that their founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is both. Also he has not done what the Prophecy say that the Mahdi and Messiah will do. Such as he never unified the Muslim World and bring its final Revival, and he never fought the Dajjal as the Messiah will. Some people have told me that according to Ahmaddiya belief the Messiah and the Mahdi will not be just one person but a succession of people and eventually they will fulfill the prophecies, is this true?

Walakium salaam. How are you, brother? Given how long my response will be, for the sake of making it easy for you & everyone else, I'll be spoiling my points.

Yes, you are correct the Mahdi will be a Mujaddid, and a Khalifa. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed the mantle of both, for example, when the 14th century of Islam began in the year, 1882, he was given divine revelation that he was the Mujaddid of his time:

In his book, Barahin-e-Ahmadiyya, pt. 3, he received a divine revelation stating:

Allah has placed blessing in you, O Ahmad. Whatever you did let loose, it was not you but it was Allah Who let it loose. Allah has taught you the Qur’an so that you should warn the people whose ancestors have not been warned, and that the way of the guilty ones might become manifest. Say: I have been commissioned and I am the first of the believers.


Commentating on this revelation in his book, Kitabul-Bariyyah, he states:

When the 13th century of the Hegira came to an end and the 14th century was about to begin, Allah the Almighty, informed me through revelation that I was the Reformer of this century and I received the revelation: The Most Gracious One has taught you the Qur’an… I am the first of the believers.


In his book, Haqiqatul-Wahi, he lists two signs that testify to his truth:

Sign 1:

Abu Dawud reports that the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: ‘At the head of every century,
God will commission a Mujaddid for this ummah who will revive the Faith for its sake.’

The twenty-fourth year of the present century is now nearing its end and it is not possible that a saying of the Holy Prophet, may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, should remain unfulfilled.

....

Moreover, it is a universally agreed tenet among the Ahl-e-Sunnat that the last Mujaddid of this ummah is the Promised Messiah, who shall appear in the Latter Days. Now, the point at issue is whether these are the Latter Days or not. Both the Jews and the Christians agree that these, indeed, are the Latter Days. You can ask them and find out if you so desire. Death is raging on, earthquakes are occurring one after the other, and all kinds of extraordinary calamities have started appearing. Are these days, then, not the Latter Days? The righteous ones of the Ummah have also designated these days as the Latter Days—and twenty-three years of the 14th century have already passed. As such, it is a strong argument to the effect that this, indeed, is the time for the Promised Messiah to appear.

I am the only person who made the claim before the beginning of this century. And, indeed, I am the only one after whose claim as many as twenty-five years have passed, and I am still alive. And I am the only one who has convicted the Christians and the people of other faiths with Signs from God. Therefore, as long as another claimant bearing the same characteristics is not produced in opposition to my claim, my own claim to be the Promised Messiah, who is the Mujaddid of the Latter Days, stands established.

....

Sign 3:

Is the appearance of a comet which was destined to appear in the time of the Promised Messiah. It has long since appeared. Its sighting prompted some English newspapers of the Christians to comment that the time of the Messiah’s advent had arrived.


The third sign refers to the Great Comet of 1882, the same year, he was declared Mujaddid of the 14th century. As a comet appeared in the sighting of the First Messiah, similarly is the case of the second Messiah.


The claim that the Messiah and Mahdi aren't two people, but one, isn't just ours alone, but in fact, Sunan Ibn Majah, narrates that there is no Mahdi, but Isa. Moreover, the Messiah would have to be a Mahdi, because a Mahdi receives guidance through revelation which Sahih Muslim tells us that the Jesus of the latter days will receive revelation (wahi) & he is called "Prophet" (Nabi) 4 times in this hadith alone.

Addressing your other points, the Messiah will not be some kind of savior that will have extraordinary powers to wipe the world clean of evil & all the Muslims will be taken to heaven all the sudden, but he will be a prophet like all the others & he will live the life like other prophets and die a natural death in accordance with Qur'an, Surah 3: Al-e-Imran, ayat, 144. So what killing the Dajjal & uniting the Ummah really mean is that the Messiah will destroy the Dajjal, which is a group of deceptive people rather than a literal one-eyed monster, through strong religious argumentation, effectively putting them in their place. As for unifying the Ummah, you must remember the Qur'an tells us there is no compulsion in religion (2:256), and it is up to the people to accept the Messiah or any prophet or not. This is testified to by the hadith that there will be 73 sects, but only sect will be saved while all the others will be in hell. That sect in the latter days would have to be the sect of the Messiah and Imam Mahdi because no one else will be saved as they will reject him as false and an apostate, God forbid.

As for the Messiah & Mahdi being a succession of people, that isn't true. Since the Messiah and Imam Mahdi have already arrived, there is the Khilafatul-Masih, where Khalifas are the second manifestation of the power of the Messiah although they aren't the Messiah himself, but just his successors as successors (Khulafa) continue the missions of past Prophets.


Hope this answers your questions. :)
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:54 pm

Western Arab Empire wrote:I know everyone is talking about coronavirus on more relevant threads. But I'd like to know how your individual various Muslim communities are responding. Are mosques still open? Are the congregational prayers still being observed?

Since our state is on a lockdown, we are not open for anything except for when brothers stop by to grab homeopathic remedies to help fight the illness or for any other legitimate reason.

Otherwise all prayers including Jummah are to be offered at home.
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