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Jolthig wrote:

The Alma Mater wrote:
How would that work in primitive alien muslim societies where the solar system is not visible with the naked eye and astronomy is not advanced enough yet ?

Only humans are Muslim.

I thought Islamic tradition holds that Cats are aware of God’s existence.

New Paine wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Only humans are Muslim.

I thought Islamic tradition holds that Cats are aware of God’s existence.

Islamic tradition holds that even spiders are aware of God's existence

Rojava Free State wrote:

New Paine wrote:
I thought Islamic tradition holds that Cats are aware of God’s existence.

Islamic tradition holds that even spiders are aware of God's existence

Both of you are correct, but since they aren't as advanced as humans, and since humans have been selected to be the recipient of written Books through their Messengers, they are the only species in the universe that have revealed laws.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Animals neither go to heaven nor hell.

The same with aliens in this universe unless if Allah somehow reveals otherwise. (Allah knows best.)

So no one knows where animals go when they die?

Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

Jolthig wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
So no one knows where animals go when they die?

Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

They go somewhere im assuming. They don't just cease to exist, do they?

Rojava Free State wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

They go somewhere im assuming. They don't just cease to exist, do they?

I am unsure. I'll have to look more into this subject.

Jolthig wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
So no one knows where animals go when they die?

Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

New Paine wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

I thought all monotheists have the chance to be saved in islam?

Rojava Free State wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Animals neither go to heaven nor hell.

The same with aliens in this universe unless if Allah somehow reveals otherwise. (Allah knows best.)

So no one knows where animals go when they die?

Heaven is not heaven without my cats. So they better be there.

New Paine wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

Because they haven't been chosen by Allah to be the recipients of divine laws that prescribe a religious system for the reformation of one's morals. Although animals can have qualities such as empathy, compassion, and knowing right from wrong, it is all based on instinct, whereas humans are more advanced and have self-consciousness to the point Allah, knowing their level of understanding, sends prophets to guide them.

Rojava Free State wrote:

New Paine wrote:
If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

I thought all monotheists have the chance to be saved in islam?

See the above.

Jolthig wrote:

New Paine wrote:
If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

Because they haven't been chosen by Allah to be the recipients of divine laws that prescribe a religious system for the reformation of one's morals. Although animals can have qualities such as empathy, compassion, and knowing right from wrong, it is all based on instinct, whereas humans are more advanced and have self-consciousness to the point Allah, knowing their level of understanding, sends prophets to guide them.

Rojava Free State wrote:
I thought all monotheists have the chance to be saved in islam?

See the above.

Based on what I've read, Islam doesn't condemn all non Muslims to hell

Rojava Free State wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Because they haven't been chosen by Allah to be the recipients of divine laws that prescribe a religious system for the reformation of one's morals. Although animals can have qualities such as empathy, compassion, and knowing right from wrong, it is all based on instinct, whereas humans are more advanced and have self-consciousness to the point Allah, knowing their level of understanding, sends prophets to guide them.


See the above.

Based on what I've read, Islam doesn't condemn all non Muslims to hell

And neither are they awarded heaven because of the fact they aren't human.

Jolthig wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
Based on what I've read, Islam doesn't condemn all non Muslims to hell

And neither are they awarded heaven because of the fact they aren't human.

I'm talking about non Muslim people my dude, unless you're implying that Christians and Jews aren't human

New Paine wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Not me personally, but their fate is not like the fate of humans as they aren't as advanced as us.

If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

Animals cannot have faith, that's the important thing between humans and animals. There is a difference between knowledge of God (swt) and faith in him.

Cappuccina wrote:

New Paine wrote:
If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

Animals cannot have faith, that's the important thing between humans and animals. There is a difference between knowledge of God (swt) and faith in him.

I find it quite bizarre that animals have the ability to figure out what is right and what is wrong and even have the ability to know the existence of God but not have the ability to have faith. I believe that philosophy that most Christians have which is that animals don’t have the ability to existence of God, and any sort of afterlife, either punishment or reward is exclusively reserved to human is much more believable.

Cappuccina wrote:

New Paine wrote:
If they have the capability to be aware of God’s existence but still not accept Islam, why don’t they meet the same fate as the deists, which is hell.

Animals cannot have faith

Any proof of that ?

Afaik there's a verse mentioning birds in Heaven. Not sure tho, might have to look that up again.

Rojava Free State wrote:

Jolthig wrote:And neither are they awarded heaven because of the fact they aren't human.

I'm talking about non Muslim people my dude, unless you're implying that Christians and Jews aren't human

I see, but my post wasn't talking about non-Muslim humans. You added that part in. Although yes, neither are all non-Muslim humans condemned to hell either because some may not even be aware of Muhammad's teachings, but yet if Allah sees righteousness in their hearts that resembles that of a Muslims, despite him or her not knowing about Islam, Allah will grant them paradiss.

New Paine wrote:

Cappuccina wrote:Animals cannot have faith, that's the important thing between humans and animals. There is a difference between knowledge of God (swt) and faith in him.

I find it quite bizarre that animals have the ability to figure out what is right and what is wrong and even have the ability to know the existence of God but not have the ability to have faith. I believe that philosophy that most Christians have which is that animals don’t have the ability to existence of God, and any sort of afterlife, either punishment or reward is exclusively reserved to human is much more believable.

Again, it's the level of intellectual comprehension that animals have in comparison with humans. Their awareness of Allah, in my humble opinion, is different from our level of awareness.

Animals awareness of right and wrong is based on instinct, whereas humans, it is based on more than instinct, but our self-consciousness, our ability to take in knowledge due to our advanced brains, and our ability to run religious and political systems.

The Grims wrote:

Rojava Free State wrote:
So no one knows where animals go when they die?

Heaven is not heaven without my cats. So they better be there.

https://islamqa.org/hanafi/qibla-hanafi/35259
You're fine

Rojava Free State wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Because they haven't been chosen by Allah to be the recipients of divine laws that prescribe a religious system for the reformation of one's morals. Although animals can have qualities such as empathy, compassion, and knowing right from wrong, it is all based on instinct, whereas humans are more advanced and have self-consciousness to the point Allah, knowing their level of understanding, sends prophets to guide them.


See the above.

Based on what I've read, Islam doesn't condemn all non Muslims to hell

It doesn't. Islam states in chapters such as Bayinna that non-Muslims who are good go to heaven as well.

Salaam, brothers. How are you guys doing?

Jolthig wrote:Salaam, brothers. How are you guys doing?

Salaam Jolt. Alhamdulillah, I'm fine, currently writing my lab reports.
How are you?

Samudera Darussalam wrote:

Jolthig wrote:Salaam, brothers. How are you guys doing?

Salaam Jolt. Alhamdulillah, I'm fine, currently writing my lab reports.
How are you?

I am well. Alhamdulilah.

I'm just increasing my knowledge of Islam through my continuous readings. Man, do I love reading.

Jolthig wrote:

Samudera Darussalam wrote:Salaam Jolt. Alhamdulillah, I'm fine, currently writing my lab reports.
How are you?

I am well. Alhamdulilah.

I'm just increasing my knowledge of Islam through my continuous readings. Man, do I love reading.

Well, reading is indeed fun for those who can find the joy in it. It opens our window of the world too so to speak

What books or works are you currently reading?