Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[North German Realm]

I'm not sure what you mean by that? What rule?

Cleansing yourself after being licked and such.

Would you seriously not wash yourself if a dog licked you if it wasn't for a rule made 1400 years ago based on Muhammad's hatred of dogs?

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

I'd rather Bangsamoro be annexed by Malaysia than stay under Philippine rule, a country which isn't even a nation.

Definition of Nation: A social community united by language, culture, history, and religion.

Everything you said is nonsensical. Why would you support a Malaysia that is directly responsible for causing the wars between Christians and Muslims in the Philippines and thus caused your poverty via war and at the same time stole the land Brunei gave to Sulu, while they also aren't even big on Muslim brotherhood either since a Christian majority State in Malaysia is their 4rth richest state.


Do you think the Malaysians will treat you guys well when they basically killed and expelled the Muslim Tausug and Badjao people in Sabah who have been living there since even before the state of Malaysia was born?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rapple ... down-sabah

https://www.manilatimes.net/

You should stop being an ignorant person and continue on supporting the people who are turning our home into a warzone (Malaysia). They dont give a fuck if we continue on killing each other as we destroy each others' cities like the Moro Seige of Zamboanga or the Battle of Marawi. Heck they even profit by from it by selling weapons, supplies and giving loans while they just sit on their fat asses profiteering from the wars they forment elsewhere.

And you have to be realistic. If you side with Malaysia, you think 32 Million Malaysians can put up a fight againt 105 Million Filipinos? The only reason why we are not reclaiming our land from those trecherous cowardly bastards is because we respect international law (Which they dont).

Also, Malaysians are less brave than Filipinos, they didn't wage a war of independence against a Western power, they cowered under Portuguese and British control whereas the Filipinos successfully rebelled during the Philippine Revolution against Spain and even though we lost the Philippine-American war (Because we were already exhausted fighting against Spain), at least we proved our mettle in that we were willing to die even when we know we would lose, rather than what the Malaysians do, shirk from a battle yet hire goons to fight their fighting for them.

And as the Malaysians have demonstrated, they want a clearly Malay majority, adding a Filipino-majority province upsets (or in the least, threatens that).

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

I'd rather Bangsamoro be annexed by Malaysia than stay under Philippine rule, a country which isn't even a nation.

Definition of Nation: A social community united by language, culture, history, and religion.

Everything you said is nonsensical. Why would you support a Malaysia that is directly responsible for causing the wars between Christians and Muslims in the Philippines and thus caused your poverty via war and at the same time stole the land Brunei gave to Sulu, while they also aren't even big on Muslim brotherhood either since a Christian majority State in Malaysia is their 4rth richest state.


Do you think the Malaysians will treat you guys well when they basically killed and expelled the Muslim Tausug and Badjao people in Sabah who have been living there since even before the state of Malaysia was born?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rapple ... down-sabah

https://www.manilatimes.net/

You should stop being an ignorant person and continue on supporting the people who are turning our home into a warzone (Malaysia). They dont give a fuck if we continue on killing each other as we destroy each others' cities like the Moro Seige of Zamboanga or the Battle of Marawi. Heck they even profit by from it by selling weapons, supplies and giving loans while they just sit on their fat asses profiteering from the wars they forment elsewhere.

And you have to be realistic. If you side with Malaysia, you think 32 Million Malaysians can put up a fight againt 105 Million Filipinos? The only reason why we are not reclaiming our land from those trecherous cowardly bastards is because we respect international law (Which they dont).

Also, Malaysians are less brave than Filipinos, they didn't wage a war of independence against a Western power, they cowered under Portuguese and British control whereas the Filipinos successfully rebelled during the Philippine Revolution against Spain and even though we lost the Philippine-American war (Because we were already exhausted fighting against Spain), at least we proved our mettle in that we were willing to die even when we know we would lose, rather than what the Malaysians do, shirk from a battle yet hire goons to fight their fighting for them.

And as the Malaysians have demonstrated, they want a clearly Malay majority, adding a Filipino-majority province upsets (or in the least, threatens that).

[Insaanistan]

Still, history =/ principles, so any and all historical references, even if they did happen, is irrelevant. The latter is always the true face of something, and the former is only how people interpret/act on its true face. If you want to prove how peaceful Islam is, use verses and/or hadits. Same thing for NGR, if he wants to prove otherwise, he should use verses and/or hadits.

No. I objectively should not. The very fact that Arabia became Muslim at the business end of the scimitar -and the fact that it fell to civil war trying to leave that invasive religion the moment Muhammad kicked the bucket- alone is enough of a proof that Islam as a religion is not built on, nor does it aspire for, peace. Hell, it's even in the name: Submission. No matter what an ideology says, if literally every single iteration of its implementation did the opposite, what the ideology says is moot.

Hello Brother,
Actually, for a vast majority of Islamic history, the religion was spread by the people’s own free will. Especially along areas where trade was bustling, which is why the Hausa, Berbers, Swahili coast and Indonesia are very Islamic people/areas.

[A m e n r i a]

Cleansing yourself after being licked and such.

Would you seriously not wash yourself if a dog licked you if it wasn't for a rule made 1400 years ago based on Muhammad's hatred of dogs?

You realize that's not how the multiverse works, right? Oh, wait..

Anyways, I would, but maybe not the way we're supposed to in this timeline.

[Hammer Britannia]

Would you seriously not wash yourself if a dog licked you if it wasn't for a rule made 1400 years ago based on Muhammad's hatred of dogs?

You realize that's not how the multiverse works, right? Oh, wait..

Anyways, I would, but maybe not the way we're supposed to in this timeline.

You know, I promised that I would never go to this thread after ol' El-Amin was nuked from orbit, but what the fuck?

First off, what does the Multiverse theory (though, calling it a 'theory' is very weak as there is little to no evidence to back it other than speculation as far as my knowledge goes) have to do with this?

Secondly... are you implying that an all-powerful God's rules would not apply if we just magically teleported to another universe? Way to spit in Allah's face.

Thirdly, do you think this whole NS thing is IC or something? What does 'Oh, it applies in this timeline' even mean? Are you having problems telling what is reality and what is not?

This is just... why though?

[A m e n r i a]

You realize that's not how the multiverse works, right? Oh, wait..

Anyways, I would, but maybe not the way we're supposed to in this timeline.

You know, I promised that I would never go to this thread after ol' El-Amin was nuked from orbit, but what the fuck?

First off, what does the Multiverse theory (though, calling it a 'theory' is very weak as there is little to no evidence to back it other than speculation as far as my knowledge goes) have to do with this?

Secondly... are you implying that an all-powerful God's rules would not apply if we just magically teleported to another universe? Way to spit in Allah's face.

Thirdly, do you think this whole NS thing is IC or something? What does 'Oh, it applies in this timeline' even mean? Are you having problems telling what is reality and what is not?

This is just... why though?

1. Divine rules come from God, not a prophet's personal views. No prophet's personal views matter when it comes to divine laws, Muhammad or the ones before him.

2. He might give different rules, I dunno. Never been to other universes.

3. Uh, no. I just think what this me has to go through is different than what thw other mes have to go through.

[Hammer Britannia]

You know, I promised that I would never go to this thread after ol' El-Amin was nuked from orbit, but what the fuck?

First off, what does the Multiverse theory (though, calling it a 'theory' is very weak as there is little to no evidence to back it other than speculation as far as my knowledge goes) have to do with this?

Secondly... are you implying that an all-powerful God's rules would not apply if we just magically teleported to another universe? Way to spit in Allah's face.

Thirdly, do you think this whole NS thing is IC or something? What does 'Oh, it applies in this timeline' even mean? Are you having problems telling what is reality and what is not?

This is just... why though?

1. Divine rules come from God, not a prophet's personal views. No prophet's personal views matter when it comes to divine laws, Muhammad or the ones before him.

2. He might give different rules, I dunno. Never been to other universes.

3. Uh, no. I just think what this me has to go through is different than what thw other mes have to go through.

B-but

WHY? Why to all of this? The first one doesn't even answer my question for God's sake. The second one is an entire theological and scientific debate within itself. And the third one is just... What in Uranus's severed ballsack? Yes, if the multiverse theory is true you would do different things. But that still has nothing to do with anything. You are not the other yous, you are this universe's you.

[A m e n r i a]

1. Divine rules come from God, not a prophet's personal views. No prophet's personal views matter when it comes to divine laws, Muhammad or the ones before him.

2. He might give different rules, I dunno. Never been to other universes.

3. Uh, no. I just think what this me has to go through is different than what thw other mes have to go through.

B-but

WHY? Why to all of this? The first one doesn't even answer my question for God's sake. The second one is an entire theological and scientific debate within itself. And the third one is just... What in Uranus's severed ballsack? Yes, if the multiverse theory is true you would do different things. But that still has nothing to do with anything. You are not the other yous, you are this universe's you.

Well your questions don't make sense. The way the multiverse works (how sins are counted, what constitutes a sin, etc) has nothing to do with a person's views, prophet or otherwise.

[Jolthig]

Oh boy. IDT's toxic era has returned.

So let me be the mediator in this debate before it gets out of hand, but you two are simply going to talk past one another and you both will be wasting your respective times. It's best to not debate at all if no one will change their views or statements.

[A m e n r i a]

Oh boy. IDT's toxic era has returned.

So let me be the mediator in this debate before it gets out of hand, but you two are simply going to talk past one another and you both will be wasting your respective times. It's best to not debate at all if no one will change their views or statements.

Still wondering about the wolves though.

[Jolthig]

Oh boy. IDT's toxic era has returned.

So let me be the mediator in this debate before it gets out of hand, but you two are simply going to talk past one another and you both will be wasting your respective times. It's best to not debate at all if no one will change their views or statements.

Still wondering about the wolves though.

I'm not sure what that hadith is about nor do I understand the context of it. I'll have to look at my Jamma'at's perspective on this subject.

[A m e n r i a]

Still wondering about the wolves though.

I'm not sure what that hadith is about nor do I understand the context of it. I'll have to look at my Jamma'at's perspective on this subject.

I'm talking about this and whether or not the rule on dogs apply to other canines as well

[Negarakita]

Amenria I'm gonna presume that you're a Chafi'i given that youre indonesian at base.

Dog lick, which does include wolves like even more than domestic dogs cos they're wild and dirtier, breaks wudu. More that that, anywhere which is touched by a dog's saliva must be purified so if you don't change clothes but make wudu it is still broken. Malikis are less strict and permit something with work dogs, while ironically the salafis seem to be the most liberal.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5212/to ... y-wudoo146

But yeah, as wolves and foxes are biologically classed in the same family as dogs whatever ruling you follow would be extended to them.

[A m e n r i a]

Amenria I'm gonna presume that you're a Chafi'i given that youre indonesian at base.

Dog lick, which does include wolves like even more than domestic dogs cos they're wild and dirtier, breaks wudu. More that that, anywhere which is touched by a dog's saliva must be purified so if you don't change clothes but make wudu it is still broken. Malikis are less strict and permit something with work dogs, while ironically the salafis seem to be the most liberal.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5212/to ... y-wudoo146

But yeah, as wolves and foxes are biologically classed in the same family as dogs whatever ruling you follow would be extended to them.

Why thank you very much. *Bows

[Cappuccina]

Are we really talking about the dog stuff again......

[Jolthig]

Are we really talking about the dog stuff again......

*shrugs*

I dont even have knowledge on this subject anyway.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Oh boy. IDT's toxic era has returned.

So let me be the mediator in this debate before it gets out of hand, but you two are simply going to talk past one another and you both will be wasting your respective times. It's best to not debate at all if no one will change their views or statements.

At least we get to enjoy the peace.
It lasted *shrugs*

Amenria I'm gonna presume that you're a Chafi'i given that youre indonesian at base.

Dog lick, which does include wolves like even more than domestic dogs cos they're wild and dirtier, breaks wudu. More that that, anywhere which is touched by a dog's saliva must be purified so if you don't change clothes but make wudu it is still broken. Malikis are less strict and permit something with work dogs, while ironically the salafis seem to be the most liberal.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5212/to ... y-wudoo146

But yeah, as wolves and foxes are biologically classed in the same family as dogs whatever ruling you follow would be extended to them.

It makes me wonder. Personally, I don't identify as a Sunni, but I was raised in a Sunni Muslim family, and taught about Islam that is undoubtedly....Sunni in character. Is that makes me a Sunni although I don't identify as one?

[Insaanistan]

Oh boy. IDT's toxic era has returned.

So let me be the mediator in this debate before it gets out of hand, but you two are simply going to talk past one another and you both will be wasting your respective times. It's best to not debate at all if no one will change their views or statements.

At least we get to enjoy the peace.
It lasted *shrugs*

Amenria I'm gonna presume that you're a Chafi'i given that youre indonesian at base.

Dog lick, which does include wolves like even more than domestic dogs cos they're wild and dirtier, breaks wudu. More that that, anywhere which is touched by a dog's saliva must be purified so if you don't change clothes but make wudu it is still broken. Malikis are less strict and permit something with work dogs, while ironically the salafis seem to be the most liberal.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5212/to ... y-wudoo146

But yeah, as wolves and foxes are biologically classed in the same family as dogs whatever ruling you follow would be extended to them.

It makes me wonder. Personally, I don't identify as a Sunni, but I was raised in a Sunni Muslim family, and taught about Islam that is undoubtedly....Sunni in character. Is that makes me a Sunni although I don't identify as one?

Not unless you follow Islamic practices that are strictly Sunni.

[Negarakita]

Oh boy. IDT's toxic era has returned.

So let me be the mediator in this debate before it gets out of hand, but you two are simply going to talk past one another and you both will be wasting your respective times. It's best to not debate at all if no one will change their views or statements.

At least we get to enjoy the peace.
It lasted *shrugs*

Amenria I'm gonna presume that you're a Chafi'i given that youre indonesian at base.

Dog lick, which does include wolves like even more than domestic dogs cos they're wild and dirtier, breaks wudu. More that that, anywhere which is touched by a dog's saliva must be purified so if you don't change clothes but make wudu it is still broken. Malikis are less strict and permit something with work dogs, while ironically the salafis seem to be the most liberal.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5212/to ... y-wudoo146

But yeah, as wolves and foxes are biologically classed in the same family as dogs whatever ruling you follow would be extended to them.

It makes me wonder. Personally, I don't identify as a Sunni, but I was raised in a Sunni Muslim family, and taught about Islam that is undoubtedly....Sunni in character. Is that makes me a Sunni although I don't identify as one?

It depends if that's a deliberate identification or not. However, I would say yes, given that you don't exactly follow Shi'ite teachings or Ibadi.

[A m e n r i a]

At least we get to enjoy the peace.
It lasted *shrugs*


It makes me wonder. Personally, I don't identify as a Sunni, but I was raised in a Sunni Muslim family, and taught about Islam that is undoubtedly....Sunni in character. Is that makes me a Sunni although I don't identify as one?

It depends if that's a deliberate identification or not. However, I would say yes, given that you don't exactly follow Shi'ite teachings or Ibadi.

Or Ahmadiyyah, but you get the point.

[Samudera Darussalam]

At least we get to enjoy the peace.
It lasted *shrugs*


It makes me wonder. Personally, I don't identify as a Sunni, but I was raised in a Sunni Muslim family, and taught about Islam that is undoubtedly....Sunni in character. Is that makes me a Sunni although I don't identify as one?

Not unless you follow Islamic practices that are strictly Sunni.

It depends if that's a deliberate identification or not. However, I would say yes, given that you don't exactly follow Shi'ite teachings or Ibadi.

Or Ahmadiyyah, but you get the point.

Ah well, thanks for the response pals.

[Jolthig]

https://youtu.be/2eJZgR09hhY

My thoughts on turning 21, and yes this is me.

[Paddy O Fernature]

https://youtu.be/2eJZgR09hhY

My thoughts on turning 21, and yes this is me.

You know, it's not often that you run across someone that actually looks pretty damn close to how you imagined them to look in your head.

[Jolthig]

https://youtu.be/2eJZgR09hhY

My thoughts on turning 21, and yes this is me.

You know, it's not often that you run across someone that actually looks pretty damn close to how you imagined them to look in your head.