Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[ECKU]

Are you taking about the revived version from William Lane Craig or the original by Imam Al-Ghazaali?

In this case Ghazali. I neither know nor care who William Craig is.

It is a modification of Aristotle. Aristotle believed the universe was eternal. The argument in question was actually developed against that position and incorporates proof that the universe did not always exist.

And yet, it still remains a fundamentally flawed argument.

How so?

[Kowani]

In this case Ghazali. I neither know nor care who William Craig is.


And yet, it still remains a fundamentally flawed argument.

How so?

You know how say “unsupported assertion?”

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Islam is basically the Muhammads version of Chris-chan's Sonichu. Just a mixture ripped off elements from Christianity and Arabian pagan religions tailored to suit his own evil needs.

This is also false

Sounds pretty right to me, idk. I have faith that this guy has got everything about mohammed right.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Are you taking about the revived version from William Lane Craig or the original by Imam Al-Ghazaali?

In this case Ghazali. I neither know nor care who William Craig is.

It is a modification of Aristotle. Aristotle believed the universe was eternal. The argument in question was actually developed against that position and incorporates proof that the universe did not always exist.

And yet, it still remains a fundamentally flawed argument.

And yet you clearly didn't even know what it was and are still throwing out statements off the cuff.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

In this case Ghazali. I neither know nor care who William Craig is.


And yet, it still remains a fundamentally flawed argument.

And yet you clearly didn't even know what it was and are still throwing out statements off the cuff.

It’s not a complex argument you need to study for years. We’re atheists, not apologists.

[Kowani]

In this case Ghazali. I neither know nor care who William Craig is.


And yet, it still remains a fundamentally flawed argument.

And yet you clearly didn't even know what it was and are still throwing out statements off the cuff.

It’s one in the morning. My apologies for not remembering ever my bit of obscure theology, since it’s not my era of expertise.

[ECKU]

This is also false

Sounds pretty right to me, idk. I have faith that this guy has got everything about mohammed right.

He can't get the Holy Qur'an right, how do you expect him to get Prophet Muhammad SAWS right? And why are you trusting someone who's not only an amateur but not even Muslim with our religion??? You learn about Al-Islam from non-Muslims the same way you don't learn geology from a psychiatrist.

[ECKU]

How so?

You know how say “unsupported assertion?”

And where is that?

[New haven america]

Sounds pretty right to me, idk. I have faith that this guy has got everything about mohammed right.

He can't get the Holy Qur'an right, how do you expect him to get Prophet Muhammad SAWS right? And why are you trusting someone who's not only an amateur but not even Muslim with our religion??? You learn about Al-Islam from non-Muslims the same way you don't learn geology from a psychiatrist.

Because sometimes an outsider's perspective is more important than an insider's.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Sounds pretty right to me, idk. I have faith that this guy has got everything about mohammed right.

He can't get the Holy Qur'an right, how do you expect him to get Prophet Muhammad SAWS right? And why are you trusting someone who's not only an amateur but not even Muslim with our religion??? You learn about Al-Islam from non-Muslims the same way you don't learn geology from a psychiatrist.

To be fair, I think I’ve already learned everything there is to know about the Qu’ran in this thread. Thank you for educating me.

[Al Mumtahanah]

And yet you clearly didn't even know what it was and are still throwing out statements off the cuff.

It’s one in the morning. My apologies for not remembering ever my bit of obscure theology, since it’s not my era of expertise.

I don't expect it, I just expect you to not toss it out like you do.

[New Tetraland]

He can't get the Holy Qur'an right, how do you expect him to get Prophet Muhammad SAWS right? And why are you trusting someone who's not only an amateur but not even Muslim with our religion??? You learn about Al-Islam from non-Muslims the same way you don't learn geology from a psychiatrist.

Because sometimes an outsider's perspective is more important than an insider's.

And in this case a lot less biased and a lot more objective.

[The Holy Therns]

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

Islam is basically the Muhammads version of Chris-chan's Sonichu. Just a mixture ripped off elements from Christianity and Arabian pagan religions tailored to suit his own evil needs.

Wow, there's a reference I didn't see coming.

[ECKU]

He can't get the Holy Qur'an right, how do you expect him to get Prophet Muhammad SAWS right? And why are you trusting someone who's not only an amateur but not even Muslim with our religion??? You learn about Al-Islam from non-Muslims the same way you don't learn geology from a psychiatrist.

To be fair, I think I’ve already learned everything there is to know about the Qu’ran in this thread. Thank you for educating me.

Have you read it yourself?

[Kowani]

You know how say “unsupported assertion?”

And where is that?

Copypasting the actual argument from Wikipedia. Every time there’s an unproven assertion, I will make a red mark.

Whatever begins to exist has a cause;I
The universe began to exist;
Therefore:
The universe has a cause.I
Given the conclusion, Craig appends a further premise and conclusion based upon a conceptual analysis of the properties of the cause:[6]

The universe has a cause;I
If the universe has a cause, then an uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists who sans (without) the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and enormously powerful;I
Therefore,
An uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists, who sans the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and infinitely powerfulI.

Every tenet except for one.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

To be fair, I think I’ve already learned everything there is to know about the Qu’ran in this thread. Thank you for educating me.

Have you read it yourself?

It was revealed to me by New Tetraland and Scomagia. They’ve debriefed me sufficiently.

[New Tetraland]

He can't get the Holy Qur'an right, how do you expect him to get Prophet Muhammad SAWS right? And why are you trusting someone who's not only an amateur but not even Muslim with our religion??? You learn about Al-Islam from non-Muslims the same way you don't learn geology from a psychiatrist.

To be fair, I think I’ve already learned everything there is to know about the Qu’ran in this thread. Thank you for educating me.

It's way more twisted when you are actually read it.

[ECKU]

Because sometimes an outsider's perspective is more important than an insider's.

And in this case a lot less biased and a lot more objective.

In this case a lot of non-Muslims who come here to bash Al-Islam doesn't actually know it, and when corrected, they're too arrogant to care or falsely accuse us of lying.

[ECKU]

Have you read it yourself?

It was revealed to me by New Tetraland and Scomagia. They’ve debriefed me sufficiently.

You didn't answer my question.

[New Tetraland]

Have you read it yourself?

It was revealed to me by New Tetraland and Scomagia. They’ve debriefed me sufficiently.

Glad I could be of help

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

And in this case a lot less biased and a lot more objective.

In this case a lot of non-Muslims who come here to bash Al-Islam doesn't actually know it, and when corrected, they're too arrogant to care or falsely accuse us of lying.

Wouldn’t put lying for your religion past you, to be fair, given the other things you support.

[Al Mumtahanah]

And where is that?

Copypasting the actual argument from Wikipedia. Every time there’s an unproven assertion, I will make a red mark.

Whatever begins to exist has a cause;I
The universe began to exist;
Therefore:
The universe has a cause.I
Given the conclusion, Craig appends a further premise and conclusion based upon a conceptual analysis of the properties of the cause:[6]

The universe has a cause;I
If the universe has a cause, then an uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists who sans (without) the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and enormously powerful;I
Therefore,
An uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists, who sans the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and infinitely powerfulI.

Every tenet except for one.

If something began to exist without a cause it would exist forever since the predicate of its existence (nothing) always did hence it would not begin to exist it would always exist.

Most of those are not tenets, they are conclusions.

[ECKU]

And where is that?

Copypasting the actual argument from Wikipedia. Every time there’s an unproven assertion, I will make a red mark.

Whatever begins to exist has a cause;I
The universe began to exist;
Therefore:
The universe has a cause.I
Given the conclusion, Craig appends a further premise and conclusion based upon a conceptual analysis of the properties of the cause:[6]

The universe has a cause;I
If the universe has a cause, then an uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists who sans (without) the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and enormously powerful;I
Therefore,
An uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists, who sans the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and infinitely powerfulI.

Every tenet except for one.

That's the 1 used by Craig, not Imam Ghazaali.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

It was revealed to me by New Tetraland and Scomagia. They’ve debriefed me sufficiently.

You didn't answer my question.

I have not read it, it was passed down to me faithfully by those people.

[Al Mumtahanah]

In this case a lot of non-Muslims who come here to bash Al-Islam doesn't actually know it, and when corrected, they're too arrogant to care or falsely accuse us of lying.

Wouldn’t put lying for your religion past you, to be fair, given the other things you support.

Lying is prohibited, haram.