Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Kowani]

That moment when you have to recycle Augustine but it’s still s*it anyway.

What are you talking about?

Messed up. Recycle Aquinas.

[North German Realm]

I think the best way to go through this is to use the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. I have 2 links on them:
http://www.islambasics.com/chapter/the- ... e-of-allah
https://medium.com/@galacticwarrior9/th ... d426cb99da

That moment when you have to recycle Augustine but it’s still shit anyway.

The thing is, Islamic apologia is just Christian apologia translated into Arabic, just like Islamic Philosophy. Of course you're only going to get a recycled and low-quality version of something that atheists put back in its place back when Christians still used it if you debate a Muslim.

No, you didn't.

See what I mean? You eating a plant byproduct is history. Even if I don't believe you, it happened. Nothing I say or do could have changed the fact that you did, in fact, ate a plant byproduct.

The thing about that is, history happened. We have evidence for it. People wrote it down somewhere, something broke and we found it in an excavation a few decades ago, etc. etc.
If I claim "there was a war between Persia and Rome in 602-628" and you say "no there wasn't", I can bring you proof that it happened. You can't bring me proof -historically, archaeologically acceptable proof- that what you claim happened.

[ECKU]

allah (who is not great)

1: Proper nouns are supposed to begin with capital letters
2: Yes He is

[ECKU]

What are you talking about?

Messed up. Recycle Aquinas.

I still don't know what you mean.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

allah (who is not great)

1: Proper nouns are supposed to begin with capital letters
2: Yes He is

Non-existent figures don’t deserve the dignity. Don’t worry, I never capitalize yhwh or god either.

[Al Mumtahanah]

I think the best way to go through this is to use the Kalaam Cosmological Argument. I have 2 links on them:
http://www.islambasics.com/chapter/the- ... e-of-allah
https://medium.com/@galacticwarrior9/th ... d426cb99da

That moment when you have to recycle Augustine but it’s still shit anyway.

Aquinas borrowed from Muslim theologians, not the other way around.

[Kowani]

Messed up. Recycle Aquinas.

I still don't know what you mean.

The Kaalam Cosmological Argument is literally stolen from Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument, and then had Allah slapped on.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I still don't know what you mean.

The Kaalam Cosmological Argument is literally stolen from Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument, and then had Allah slapped on.

No, he’s right. The Kalam comes from the 11th century.

[ECKU]

1: Proper nouns are supposed to begin with capital letters
2: Yes He is

Non-existent figures don’t deserve the dignity.

So you don't capitalize the names of characters in books or movies?

Don’t worry, I never capitalize yhwh or god either.

1: Proper nouns are supposed to begin with capital letters

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Non-existent figures don’t deserve the dignity.

So you don't capitalize the names of characters in books or movies?

Don’t worry, I never capitalize yhwh or god either.

1: Proper nouns are supposed to begin with capital letters

I capitalize those names because I like them as people more than I like any of those gods.

[ECKU]

I still don't know what you mean.

The Kaalam Cosmological Argument is literally stolen from Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument, and then had Allah slapped on.

Actually it has origins in Aristotle. What's your point tho?

[North German Realm]

1: Proper nouns are supposed to begin with capital letters
2: Yes He is

Non-existent figures don’t deserve the dignity. Don’t worry, I never capitalize yhwh or god either.

Not sure about god, but YHWH and Allah are names. That's why they get capitalized. I personally never capitalize god, because it's stupid and like capitalizing person to refer to a specific person, but the other two are names.

[Kowani]

That moment when you have to recycle Augustine but it’s still shit anyway.

Aquinas borrowed from Muslim theologians, not the other way around.

The Kaalam Cosmological Argument is literally stolen from Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument, and then had Allah slapped on.

No, he’s right. The Kalam comes from the 11th century.

You’re both wrong. It actually predates Aquinas. So, I was wrong as well.
Ripping off Aristotle-and it’s still crap.

[ECKU]

So you don't capitalize the names of characters in books or movies?

I capitalize those names because I like them as people more than I like any of those gods.

"Allah, YHWH, and God" all refer to the same supreme being.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Non-existent figures don’t deserve the dignity. Don’t worry, I never capitalize yhwh or god either.

Not sure about god, but YHWH and Allah are names. That's why they get capitalized. I personally never capitalize god, because it's stupid and like capitalizing person to refer to a specific person, but the other two are names.

They get capitalized because of respect. If I ever get before their throne by some twist of fate, I’d spit on those wicked tyrants rather than bow.

[Kowani]

The Kaalam Cosmological Argument is literally stolen from Thomas Aquinas’ Cosmological Argument, and then had Allah slapped on.

Actually it has origins in Aristotle. What's your point tho?

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

[ECKU]

Aquinas borrowed from Muslim theologians, not the other way around.

No, he’s right. The Kalam comes from the 11th century.

You’re both wrong. It actually predates Aquinas. So, I was wrong as well.
Ripping off Aristotle-and it’s still crap.

Are you taking about the revived version from William Lane Craig or the original by Imam Al-Ghazaali?

[Al Mumtahanah]

Aquinas borrowed from Muslim theologians, not the other way around.

No, he’s right. The Kalam comes from the 11th century.

You’re both wrong. It actually predates Aquinas. So, I was wrong as well.
Ripping off Aristotle-and it’s still crap.

It is a modification of Aristotle. Aristotle believed the universe was eternal. The argument in question was actually developed against that position and incorporates proof that the universe did not always exist.

[ECKU]

Actually it has origins in Aristotle. What's your point tho?

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

A) Agreed, as religions are an inanimate object.
B) See the post below your post that I'm quoting.

[New Tetraland]

Actually it has origins in Aristotle. What's your point tho?

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

Islam is basically the Muhammads version of Chris-chan's Sonichu. Just a mixture ripped off elements from Christianity and Arabian pagan religions tailored to suit his own evil needs.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

Islam is basically the Muhammads version of Chris-chan's Sonichu. Just a mixture ripped off elements from Christianity and Arabian pagan religions tailored to suit his own evil needs.

Fuck you for making me laugh while my roommate is asleep.

[ECKU]

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

Islam is basically the Muhammads version of Chris-chan's Sonichu. Just a mixture ripped off elements from Christianity and Arabian pagan religions tailored to suit his own evil needs.

This is also false

[New Tetraland]

Islam is basically the Muhammads version of Chris-chan's Sonichu. Just a mixture ripped off elements from Christianity and Arabian pagan religions tailored to suit his own evil needs.

Fuck you for making me laugh while my roommate is asleep.

Anytime

[Kowani]

You’re both wrong. It actually predates Aquinas. So, I was wrong as well.
Ripping off Aristotle-and it’s still crap.

Are you taking about the revived version from William Lane Craig or the original by Imam Al-Ghazaali?

In this case Ghazali. I neither know nor care who William Craig is.

You’re both wrong. It actually predates Aquinas. So, I was wrong as well.
Ripping off Aristotle-and it’s still crap.

It is a modification of Aristotle. Aristotle believed the universe was eternal. The argument in question was actually developed against that position and incorporates proof that the universe did not always exist.

And yet, it still remains a fundamentally flawed argument.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Actually it has origins in Aristotle. What's your point tho?

That:
A) Islam can’t come up with decent, original theology.
B) The actual argument remains crap.

Please read The Cambridge Companion to Classical Islamic Theology some time, your cavalier ignorance is embarrassing.