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Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni
223
46%
Salafi
14
3%
Shi'a
41
8%
Qur'ani
11
2%
Ahmadi
5
1%
IbaaDi
9
2%
Sufi (either Sunni or Shi'a)
30
6%
Non-Denominational
76
16%
Other
78
16%
 
Total votes : 487

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New Tetraland
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Postby New Tetraland » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:56 pm

ECKU wrote:
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Who said I was mad? And like I said it was the korean. You don't even need a specific ayeat. The whole book is messed up. I recommend it for horror stories.

Do you know which ayat those words are said or not?


The whole damn sura is filled with stuff against women, treating women like property, calling women filthy, raping women, virgins in heaven, beating women, enslaving women. My god, its stuff for a psychotic cult.

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ECKU
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:57 pm

New Tetraland wrote:
ECKU wrote:Do you know which ayat those words are said or not?


The whole da*n sura is filled with stuff against women, treating women like property, calling women filthy, raping women, virgins in heaven, beating women, enslaving women. My god, its stuff for a psychotic cult.

You still didn't answer my question. Why are you avoiding it?
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New Tetraland
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Postby New Tetraland » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:58 pm

ECKU wrote:
New Tetraland wrote:
The whole da*n sura is filled with stuff against women, treating women like property, calling women filthy, raping women, virgins in heaven, beating women, enslaving women. My god, its stuff for a psychotic cult.

You still didn't answer my question. Why are you avoiding it?


You are the one avoiding shit. Why aren't you answering my original question?

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New Tetraland
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Postby New Tetraland » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:00 pm

ECKU wrote:
New Tetraland wrote:
The whole da*n sura is filled with stuff against women, treating women like property, calling women filthy, raping women, virgins in heaven, beating women, enslaving women. My god, its stuff for a psychotic cult.

You still didn't answer my question. Why are you avoiding it?


Actually, never mind. I just read up on you. It seems you are DEAT for endorsing slavery, rape, killing homosexuals, and terrorism with your previous account Al Amin. Welcome to my foe list.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:01 pm

Guys, let's not go down to the level of children.

New Tetra, I'll be willing to listen to you concerns and your objections. Though, perhaps I'll be willing to hold that conversation with you at another point as I feel this isn't a very good place or time to discuss it given the toxicity of NSG at the latest.

Not that I want to dismiss you because I am not. It is important we hear objections and challenges. I love being challenged personally, but I don't want to answer anything if I see that a heated debate between you and ECKU is inevitable. I think I should discuss those verses and any other relevant verse in a place where it is calm, and no one will anger you.
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:01 pm

New Tetraland wrote:
ECKU wrote:You still didn't answer my question. Why are you avoiding it?


You are the one avoiding sh*t. Why aren't you answering my original question?

Because you didn't ask any (except if I've read the Holy Qur'an, which yes, I have, many times).
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:02 pm

Jolthig wrote:Guys, let's not go down to the level of children.

New Tetra, I'll be willing to listen to you concerns and your objections. Though, perhaps I'll be willing to hold that conversation with you at another point as I feel this isn't a very good place or time to discuss it given the toxicity of NSG at the latest.

Not that I want to dismiss you because I am not. It is important we hear objections and challenges. I love being challenged personally, but I don't want to answer anything if I see that a heated debate between you and ECKU is inevitable. I think I should discuss those verses and any other relevant verse in a place where it is calm, and no one will anger you.

He put me on his ignore list for some reason, idk why.
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:03 pm

New Tetraland wrote:
ECKU wrote:You still didn't answer my question. Why are you avoiding it?


Actually, never mind. I just read up on you. It seems you are DEAT for endorsing slavery, rape, killing homosexuals, and terrorism. Welcome to my foe list.

4.5/5 of those things I was DEATed for are false.
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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:08 pm

ECKU wrote:
New Tetraland wrote:
Actually, never mind. I just read up on you. It seems you are DEAT for endorsing slavery, rape, killing homosexuals, and terrorism. Welcome to my foe list.

4.5/5 of those things I was DEATed for are false.


The fact that you support even one of these things is very disturbing.

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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:11 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
ECKU wrote:4.5/5 of those things I was DEATed for are false.


The fact that you support even one of these things is very disturbing.

Why do people make 1 line posts and then go offline?
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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:18 pm

ECKU wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
The fact that you support even one of these things is very disturbing.

Why do people make 1 line posts and then go offline?


Who is offline?

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ECKU
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:22 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
ECKU wrote:Why do people make 1 line posts and then go offline?


Who is offline?

You were a few minutes ago. That's what I saw from my end.
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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:23 pm

ECKU wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
Who is offline?

You were a few minutes ago. That's what I saw from my end.


No

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ECKU
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:24 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
ECKU wrote:You were a few minutes ago. That's what I saw from my end.


No

Huh

Maybe my phone's just being weird.
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Postby Bread Herbert » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:25 pm

ECKU wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
No

Huh

Maybe my phone's just being weird.


Are you on some special phone?

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ECKU
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:26 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
ECKU wrote:Huh

Maybe my phone's just being weird.


Are you on some special phone?

Samsung Galaxy J3 Orbit
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Bread Herbert
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Postby Bread Herbert » Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:28 pm

ECKU wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
Are you on some special phone?

Samsung Galaxy J3 Orbit


Wow.

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New Tetraland
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Postby New Tetraland » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:40 pm

Bread Herbert wrote:
ECKU wrote:4.5/5 of those things I was DEATed for are false.


The fact that you support even one of these things is very disturbing.


This guy is the El-Amin caliphate. Look at his posts and the mod thread about him. You can see him promoting violent jihad, slavery, and rape in the name of Islam.

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ECKU
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:43 pm

New Tetraland wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
The fact that you support even one of these things is very disturbing.


This guy is the El-Amin caliphate. Look at his posts and the mod thread about him. You can see him promoting violent jihad, slavery, and rape in the name of Islam.

1.5/3 of what I support is false.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:53 pm

New Tetraland wrote:
Bread Herbert wrote:
The fact that you support even one of these things is very disturbing.


This guy is the El-Amin caliphate. Look at his posts and the mod thread about him. You can see him promoting violent jihad, slavery, and rape in the name of Islam.


You don't promote slavery, there's nothing wrong with it in the first place. I still dislike it though. Same thing with jihad. Just because Islam is the religion of peace, doesn't mean we should just sit by when bad guys are doing bad guy stuff.

But seriously, mate? Rape? The heck, Amin?
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:58 pm

A m e n r i a wrote:
New Tetraland wrote:
This guy is the El-Amin caliphate. Look at his posts and the mod thread about him. You can see him promoting violent jihad, slavery, and rape in the name of Islam.


You don't promote slavery, there's nothing wrong with it in the first place. I still dislike it though. Same thing with jihad. Just because Islam is the religion of peace, doesn't mean we should just sit by when bad guys are doing bad guy stuff.

But seriously, mate? Rape? The heck, Amin?

https://legacy.quran.com/49/6
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Jack Thomas Lang
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:06 pm

A m e n r i a wrote:You don't promote slavery, there's nothing wrong with it in the first place. I still dislike it though.

Wait, you don't think there's anything wrong with slavery? You think it's morally acceptable for one person to literally allow another?
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Postby New Tetraland » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:07 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:You don't promote slavery, there's nothing wrong with it in the first place. I still dislike it though.

Wait, you don't think there's anything wrong with slavery? You think it's morally acceptable for one person to literally allow another?


It's in the koran. Islam also teaches that female slaves can be forced to have sex (raped) by their male owners.

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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:08 pm

Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:You don't promote slavery, there's nothing wrong with it in the first place. I still dislike it though.

Wait, you don't think there's anything wrong with slavery? You think it's morally acceptable for one person to literally allow another?

I can't speak for him, but Islamically speaking it is Halaal, although there is more barakah (blessing) in freeing a slave than buying/having one.
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Postby ECKU » Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:09 pm

New Tetraland wrote:
Jack Thomas Lang wrote:Wait, you don't think there's anything wrong with slavery? You think it's morally acceptable for one person to literally allow another?


It's in the koran. Islam also teaches that female slaves can be forced to have sex (raped) by their male owners.

This is false:
https://sunnah.com/urn/414630
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/89/10
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