Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Amin. This is for you:

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This is 100% true.

[Jolthig]

Amin. This is for you:

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This is 100% true.

I agree. That is why it is funny.

[A m e n r i a]

As much as Shi'itism has doctrines I disagree with, bigotry towards any group or faith, I call out. So you're literally doing the same thing to Shiites as you do to us ahmadis.

How is this any different from a right wing Islamophobe associating all Muslims with an ISIS member who does a terrorist attack?

You mean left wing? The far right is almost synonoymous with fundamentalist Islam.

This is 100% true.

I agree. That is why it is funny.

I'd have to disagree tho. Christians aren't as bad as the far right thinks. Two of my best friends here are Christians. In fact, the Christians I met here are even nicer than the agnostics or atheists, who are already nice enough.

[Al Mumtahanah]

There have been numerous Sunni fatawa against it, it is upheld in Shia Islam and Sunnis who do it are just copying them

Proof that Shi'ism supports suicide bombing?

"The first Islamist suicide murder took place in southern Lebanon on November 11, 1982. The perpetrator was 15-year-old Ahmad Qusayr, a follower of the then just emerging Shia militia, Hezbollah. He had been inspired by the model of the Basij. Khomeini personally consecrated the act of the 15-year old with a fatwa. Later, he had a memorial built for Ahmad Qusayr in Tehran.[12]"

http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents ... -and-islam

Shi'ites looted the Kaaba and ransomed the Black Stone. They also smashed it into pieces

Prove it.

In January 930, it was stolen by the Qarmatians, who carried the Black Stone away to their base in Hajar (modern Eastern Arabia). According to Ottoman historian Qutb al-Din, writing in 1857, the Qarmatian leader Abu Tahir al-Jannabi set the Black Stone up in his own mosque, the Masjid al-Dirar, with the intention of redirecting the hajj away from Mecca. This failed, as pilgrims continued to venerate the spot where the Black Stone had been.[37]

According to the historian al-Juwayni, the Stone was returned twenty-three years later, in 952. The Qarmatians held the Black Stone for ransom, and forced the Abbasids to pay a huge sum for its return. It was wrapped in a sack and thrown into the Friday Mosque of Kufa, accompanied by a note saying "By command we took it, and by command we have brought it back." Its abduction and removal caused further damage, breaking the stone into seven pieces.[16][38][39]

[Al Mumtahanah]

As much as Shi'itism has doctrines I disagree with, bigotry towards any group or faith, I call out. So you're literally doing the same thing to Shiites as you do to us ahmadis.

How is this any different from a right wing Islamophobe associating all Muslims with an ISIS member who does a terrorist attack?

85% of Shia are Twelvers, meaning they considered Khomenei their infallible, sinless leader. Do 85% of Sunnis consider Daesh their infallible, sinless leader? No, in fact Daesh rejects all four Sunni madhahahib, all four schools of Sunni fiqh.

[Jolthig]

As much as Shi'itism has doctrines I disagree with, bigotry towards any group or faith, I call out. So you're literally doing the same thing to Shiites as you do to us ahmadis.

How is this any different from a right wing Islamophobe associating all Muslims with an ISIS member who does a terrorist attack?

You mean left wing? The far right is almost synonoymous with fundamentalist Islam.

I agree. That is why it is funny.

I'd have to disagree tho. Christians aren't as bad as the far right thinks. Two of my best friends here are Christians. In fact, the Christians I met here are even nicer than the agnostics or atheists, who are already nice enough.

No. The right.

Obviously not all Christians are after Muslims and not all atheists are after Muslims nor are all liberal Muslims are after Muslims. Its referring to those people who think they know everything and are experts on Muslims. Christians like David Wood, atheists like Sam Harris, and liberal Muslims like "Imam" Tawhidi.

As much as Shi'itism has doctrines I disagree with, bigotry towards any group or faith, I call out. So you're literally doing the same thing to Shiites as you do to us ahmadis.

How is this any different from a right wing Islamophobe associating all Muslims with an ISIS member who does a terrorist attack?

85% of Shia are Twelvers, meaning they considered Khomenei their infallible, sinless leader. Do 85% of Sunnis consider Daesh their infallible, sinless leader? No, in fact Daesh rejects all four Sunni madhahahib, all four schools of Sunni fiqh.

Again, with the inconsistencies in your arguments. To put all Shi'ites in the same boat is like how a right wing critic of Islam puts all Muslims in the same boat.

At this point, I think it is best I stop responding to you. That post by you on Shi'ites is the last draw with me. So you're going on my ignore.

Also because I think you're a puppet of a banned user who is using a proxy to get past their ban on their main nation and puppets. I don't have proof, but I do have my suspicions based off your grammar and conduct that is similar to another user who has also come around with a puppet before.

But I wont go into too many details. Peace for real.

[Al Mumtahanah]

This is shirk

"I am the Highest Being for the worship of Whom all Prophets were sent. I alone am the Creator and Possessor and there is none like Me. I am not subject to birth or death. I have been informed that prevailing Christian beliefs such as Trinity and Atonement are all human errors in contravention of God’s real teachings. God has directly informed me with His own living word."

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/The_British_ ... _and_Jihad

[Al Mumtahanah]

You mean left wing? The far right is almost synonoymous with fundamentalist Islam.



I'd have to disagree tho. Christians aren't as bad as the far right thinks. Two of my best friends here are Christians. In fact, the Christians I met here are even nicer than the agnostics or atheists, who are already nice enough.

No. The right.

Obviously not all Christians are after Muslims and not all atheists are after Muslims nor are all liberal Muslims are after Muslims. Its referring to those people who think they know everything and are experts on Muslims. Christians like David Wood, atheists like Sam Harris, and liberal Muslims like "Imam" Tawhidi.

85% of Shia are Twelvers, meaning they considered Khomenei their infallible, sinless leader. Do 85% of Sunnis consider Daesh their infallible, sinless leader? No, in fact Daesh rejects all four Sunni madhahahib, all four schools of Sunni fiqh.

Again, with the inconsistencies in your arguments. To put all Shi'ites in the same boat is like how a right wing critic of Islam puts all Muslims in the same boat.

At this point, I think it is best I stop responding to you. That post by you on Shi'ites is the last draw with me. So you're going on my ignore.

Also because I think you're a puppet of a banned user who is using a proxy to get past their ban on their main nation and puppets. I don't have proof, but I do have my suspicions based off your grammar and conduct that is similar to another user who has also come around with a puppet before.

But I wont go into too many details. Peace for real.

I am not.

[Jolthig]

No. The right.

Obviously not all Christians are after Muslims and not all atheists are after Muslims nor are all liberal Muslims are after Muslims. Its referring to those people who think they know everything and are experts on Muslims. Christians like David Wood, atheists like Sam Harris, and liberal Muslims like "Imam" Tawhidi.


Again, with the inconsistencies in your arguments. To put all Shi'ites in the same boat is like how a right wing critic of Islam puts all Muslims in the same boat.

At this point, I think it is best I stop responding to you. That post by you on Shi'ites is the last draw with me. So you're going on my ignore.

Also because I think you're a puppet of a banned user who is using a proxy to get past their ban on their main nation and puppets. I don't have proof, but I do have my suspicions based off your grammar and conduct that is similar to another user who has also come around with a puppet before.

But I wont go into too many details. Peace for real.

I am not.

Oh, and your main nation is being blocked too. And I won't bother responding to that above allegation when you know for yourself you're lying.

[Al Mumtahanah]

I know an Ahmadi who eventually rejected it, he told me about the things I have mentiomed. He told me about the work with the British. I hope you see what he saw, but if not, I still wish that you reach Jannah.

You are wrong.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

As much as Shi'itism has doctrines I disagree with, bigotry towards any group or faith, I call out. So you're literally doing the same thing to Shiites as you do to us ahmadis.

How is this any different from a right wing Islamophobe associating all Muslims with an ISIS member who does a terrorist attack?

You mean left wing? The far right is almost synonoymous with fundamentalist Islam.

I agree. That is why it is funny.

I'd have to disagree tho. Christians aren't as bad as the far right thinks. Two of my best friends here are Christians. In fact, the Christians I met here are even nicer than the agnostics or atheists, who are already nice enough.

Well I was more referring to liberal Muslims.

Proof that Shi'ism supports suicide bombing?

"The first Islamist suicide murder took place in southern Lebanon on November 11, 1982. The perpetrator was 15-year-old Ahmad Qusayr, a follower of the then just emerging Shia militia, Hezbollah. He had been inspired by the model of the Basij. Khomeini personally consecrated the act of the 15-year old with a fatwa. Later, he had a memorial built for Ahmad Qusayr in Tehran.[12]"

http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents ... -and-islam

Prove it.

In January 930, it was stolen by the Qarmatians, who carried the Black Stone away to their base in Hajar (modern Eastern Arabia). According to Ottoman historian Qutb al-Din, writing in 1857, the Qarmatian leader Abu Tahir al-Jannabi set the Black Stone up in his own mosque, the Masjid al-Dirar, with the intention of redirecting the hajj away from Mecca. This failed, as pilgrims continued to venerate the spot where the Black Stone had been.[37]

According to the historian al-Juwayni, the Stone was returned twenty-three years later, in 952. The Qarmatians held the Black Stone for ransom, and forced the Abbasids to pay a huge sum for its return. It was wrapped in a sack and thrown into the Friday Mosque of Kufa, accompanied by a note saying "By command we took it, and by command we have brought it back." Its abduction and removal caused further damage, breaking the stone into seven pieces.[16][38][39]

Jazakallah Khairan

[Al Mumtahanah]

Afwan, requiring evidence is Sunnah. Muslims in poltics, I don't think it is productive for a Muslim to run for office in most western secular parties as their platforms tend to be at odds with Islam. Better to engage in nonpartisan activism if you live in the west, or establish an alternative party for your area.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Afwan, requiring evidence is Sunnah. Muslins in poltics, I don't think it is productive for a Muslim to run for office in most western secular parties as their platforms tend to be at odds with Islam. Better to engage in nonpartisan activism if you live in the west, or establish an alternative party for your area.

^This

[Al Mumtahanah]

Are you Shafi'i by any chance?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Are you Shafi'i by any chance?

I'm madhhab-fluid, aka I don't adhere to any madhhab. What's your madhhab?

[Cappuccina]

Are you Shafi'i by any chance?

I'm madhhab-fluid, aka I don't adhere to any madhhab. What's your madhhab?

That's generally for the best, sectarianism is a cancer.

[Al Mumtahanah]

Are you Shafi'i by any chance?

I'm madhhab-fluid, aka I don't adhere to any madhhab. What's your madhhab?

How does work in terms of fatawa?. I am Maliki.

I'm madhhab-fluid, aka I don't adhere to any madhhab. What's your madhhab?

That's generally for the best, sectarianism is a cancer.

Madhahib are schools, not sects. They coexist just fine and are all orthodox.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm madhhab-fluid, aka I don't adhere to any madhhab. What's your madhhab?

How does work in terms of fatawa?. I am Maliki.

I just go with whatever ruling uses the best daleel.
Cool, a Maaliki Ash'ari (or are you Athari?)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm madhhab-fluid, aka I don't adhere to any madhhab. What's your madhhab?

That's generally for the best, sectarianism is a cancer.

What Al Mumtahanah said. Nevertheless I agree.

[Al Mumtahanah]

How does work in terms of fatawa?. I am Maliki.

I just go with whatever ruling uses the best daleel.
Cool, a Maaliki Ash'ari (or are you Athari?)

If you only accept the Qur'an or Sunnah for fatawa, that is Hanbali. They do not accept precedent but require proof from the Qur'an or Sunnah for every fatwa and do not accept any as valid without such direct proof. I am Ashari, I am a big fan of The Revival of the Religious Sciences.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I just go with whatever ruling uses the best daleel.
Cool, a Maaliki Ash'ari (or are you Athari?)

If you only accept the Qur'an or Sunnah for fatawa, that is Hanbali. They do not accept precedent but require proof from the Qur'an or Sunnah for every fawata and do not accept any as valid without such direct proof. I am Ashari, I am a big fan of The Revival of the Religious Sciences.

Ok the thing about that is that 1) I like all the the madhaahib and think they make good points, and 2) I also don't agree with every single thing a madhhab says. Like, 2 madhaahib might say 2 different things. I don't wanna be bogged down into one ruling by saying "I'm Hanbali/Shafi'i/Maliki/Hanafi". This is why I'm madhhab-fluid.

[A m e n r i a]

If you only accept the Qur'an or Sunnah for fatawa, that is Hanbali. They do not accept precedent but require proof from the Qur'an or Sunnah for every fawata and do not accept any as valid without such direct proof. I am Ashari, I am a big fan of The Revival of the Religious Sciences.

Ok the thing about that is that 1) I like all the the madhaahib and think they make good points, and 2) I also don't agree with every single thing a madhhab says. Like, 2 madhaahib might say 2 different things. I don't wanna be bogged down into one ruling by saying "I'm Hanbali/Shafi'i/Maliki/Hanafi". This is why I'm madhhab-fluid.

It's helpful when you're an immigrant. Most mosques in Indonesia are Syafi'i, while the central mosque here in Changchun follows a different madzhab.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok the thing about that is that 1) I like all the the madhaahib and think they make good points, and 2) I also don't agree with every single thing a madhhab says. Like, 2 madhaahib might say 2 different things. I don't wanna be bogged down into one ruling by saying "I'm Hanbali/Shafi'i/Maliki/Hanafi". This is why I'm madhhab-fluid.

It's helpful when you're an immigrant. Most mosques in Indonesia are Syafi'i, while the central mosque here in Changchun follows a different madzhab.

Yeah. Another reason is that my masjid doesn't really follow a madhhab. I'm not even sure if most of the brothers and sisters there know what a madhhab is (though I may be assuming here). My masjid follows the teachings of Imam Warith Deen Mohammed

[Al Mumtahanah]

If you only accept the Qur'an or Sunnah for fatawa, that is Hanbali. They do not accept precedent but require proof from the Qur'an or Sunnah for every fawata and do not accept any as valid without such direct proof. I am Ashari, I am a big fan of The Revival of the Religious Sciences.

Ok the thing about that is that 1) I like all the the madhaahib and think they make good points, and 2) I also don't agree with every single thing a madhhab says. Like, 2 madhaahib might say 2 different things. I don't wanna be bogged down into one ruling by saying "I'm Hanbali/Shafi'i/Maliki/Hanafi". This is why I'm madhhab-fluid.

Each madhab has plenty of dissent within but I think it is important to follow one because Shariaa is a law and law requires judges ruling as opposed to individual interpretation.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Ok the thing about that is that 1) I like all the the madhaahib and think they make good points, and 2) I also don't agree with every single thing a madhhab says. Like, 2 madhaahib might say 2 different things. I don't wanna be bogged down into one ruling by saying "I'm Hanbali/Shafi'i/Maliki/Hanafi". This is why I'm madhhab-fluid.

Each madhab has plenty of dissent within but I think it is important to follow one because Shariaa is a law and law requires judges ruling as opposed to individual interpretation.

Fully agreed, hence why I'll still follow a certain ruling from a madhhab. Just not any specific one all the time.