Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Jolthig]

Ok, then, since there's no disagreement between us, I think it's probably the way you present yourself when discussing Islam and slavery that causes confusion among people to the point they think you support slavery while you really discourage it through the Quran and Sunnah. I'd recommend you be careful when discussing this subject.

I'm glad theres not disagreement between us and we've now reached a conclusion.

Heck yeah lol, I have a hard time making myself clear, hence why I got banned for a month lmbo Speaking of which I gotta rant about that.

Well, I didnt approve of the way you presented yourself either, but I'd highly recommend you learn from my example.

I used to make several controversial posts too but I learned, and I refrain from saying anything like that. You should as well if you want to continue dawah.

You are after all quite passionate and smart. You just gotta learn how to present yourself better and to think about the feelings of others when preaching.

And how to build a strong foundation for arguments. I use strong daleel when arguing.

[Cappuccina]

So...what is Amin arguing exactly? Slavery for criminals, PoWs?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So...what is Amin arguing exactly? Slavery for criminals, PoWs?

POWs. I'm saying that Al-Islam allows us to enslave POWs, however, it discourages us from doing so. But if we do enslave POWs and treat them according to Shari'ah, we're in the clear (although we should still free them).

[Diarcesia]

Ok, then, since there's no disagreement between us, I think it's probably the way you present yourself when discussing Islam and slavery that causes confusion among people to the point they think you support slavery while you really discourage it through the Quran and Sunnah. I'd recommend you be careful when discussing this subject.

I'm glad theres not disagreement between us and we've now reached a conclusion.

Heck yeah lol, I have a hard time making myself clear, hence why I got banned for a month lmbo Speaking of which I gotta rant about that.

It was also made clear after the response to which is Haraam. I was thinking before that slavery is being advocated.

[Samudera Darussalam]

AYYYYYYY I JUST GRADUATED!!!!!!

Alhamdulillah, congratulations Amin!

[El-Amin Caliphate]

AYYYYYYY I JUST GRADUATED!!!!!!

Alhamdulillah, congratulations Amin!

Masha-Allah, thank you

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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[Fartsniffage]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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Islamic states can execute people and expect people to accept that the Koran said so when they ask why. Why should NS mods not do the same with the rules?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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Islamic states can execute people and expect people to accept that the Koran said so when they ask why. Why should NS mods not do the same with the rules?

1: No, Islamic states can't do that.
2: Whataboutism is a fallacy.
3: Because I thought NS was better than that.

[Samudera Darussalam]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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It's not really so in my opinion, Amin. I think that they thought they already answered your questions/appeal in their own explanations. Granted, I don't open every picture or read them intently, but I think that's it.

Also, how come the Indonesian government involved in that punishment? As far as I know, isn't the provincial government of Aceh the only one in that country that enforce such punishments? Saying the Indonesian government is like, saying that all of them from the president to the members of the cabinet to be involved in the lashing. That's my thought, though it's probably irrelevant with what you are trying to say.

Probably next time, like what Jolthig has said, you can try to paraphrase your argument.

[Jolthig]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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If I recall correctly, you came into a thread regarding what we think of homosexuality and you kinda made it sound like you advocated for their lashing, Muslim or not

Not that I'm saying this was your intent, but the way you enter arguments doesn't make you look good, akh to be frank. No offense

[Fartsniffage]

Islamic states can execute people and expect people to accept that the Koran said so when they ask why. Why should NS mods not do the same with the rules?

1: No, Islamic states can't do that.
2: Whataboutism is a fallacy.
3: Because I thought NS was better than that.

Islamic states can't execute people? I think you're lying about that.
No it isn't. It's just really upsetting to you because you want special treatment.
You think NS is better than Al-Islam? Why would you think that?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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It's not really so in my opinion, Amin. I think that they thought they already answered your questions/appeal in their own explanations. Granted, I don't open every picture or read them intently, but I think that's it.

Also, how come the Indonesian government involved in that punishment? As far as I know, isn't the provincial government of Aceh the only one in that country that enforce such punishments? Saying the Indonesian government is like, saying that all of them from the president to the members of the cabinet to be involved in the lashing. That's my thought, though it's probably irrelevant with what you are trying to say.

Probably next time, like what Jolthig has said, you can try to paraphrase your argument.

True, I probs shoulda said Aceh.

There's nothing you can say to make "Al-Islam teaches that zina is punishable by 100 lashes, cutting off a hand for theft, >insert other Hudood here<" sound 'better' to a rebellious non-Muslim. Albeit I will admit that they may have answered my 1st 3 questions (thx USS Monitor), but they still didn't explain to me why they misconstrued my beliefs, nor whether Muslims are allowed to support Shari'ah.

[Joseph Stalin 99]

People must be careful with ascribing infallibility to the Prophets, Allah (swt) be pleased with them, as this removes from them that which makes them aspiring in the first place, their piety and struggle in the face of temptation and sin. For them to have been perfect, they would be untouchable, unemulatable. They were not so, they were like us all, children of Allah (swt), so that we may have them to look up to and realize we can also resist sin and be ourselves righteous in the eyes of our Lord (swt). As such, we must not remove from them their human elements.

I know very little about the Quran, so I don't know how applicable this is, but in the pentitude of The Bible, God's men were not only fallible humans, but seemingly far worse than the people they fought against. And God didn't call them out on it, if anything, it seemed like he approved of their ruthless murder sprees. In which case, saying they were fallible humans isn't much of a defense.

No friend, in Islam There is nothing about prophets are children of Allah, In Islam Allah has no son, and Prophets are not his children but they are like all humanity just creatures like us ! but they say and do only what they are ordred to do by Allah.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

1: No, Islamic states can't do that.
2: Whataboutism is a fallacy.
3: Because I thought NS was better than that.

Islamic states can't execute people? I think you're lying about that.

Why'd you simplify what you said. That is not what you said the first time. You said "Islamic states can execute people and expect people to accept that the Koran said so".

No it isn't. It's just really upsetting to you because you want special treatment.

Dude you literally used a whataboutism tactic in your post. "Well 'Islamic' states do it, so why can't NS mods?" That's literally what whataboutism is.

You think NS is better than Al-Islam? Why would you think that?

Why are you misconsturing what I said?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So apparently mods can make "because we said so" answers to genuine questions and expect people to accept it.


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If I recall correctly, you came into a thread regarding what we think of homosexuality and you kinda made it sound like you advocated for their lashing, Muslim or not

I've made it clear multiple times in that thread that only Muslims should be lashed, you can see it right there.

Not that I'm saying this was your intent, but the way you enter arguments doesn't make you look good, akh to be frank. No offense

None taken. With that said, I don't really care.

[Fartsniffage]

Islamic states can't execute people? I think you're lying about that.

Why'd you simplify what you said. That is not what you said the first time. You said "Islamic states can execute people and expect people to accept that the Koran said so".

No it isn't. It's just really upsetting to you because you want special treatment.

Dude you literally used a whataboutism tactic in your post. "Well 'Islamic' states do it, so why can't NS mods?" That's literally what whataboutism is.

You think NS is better than Al-Islam? Why would you think that?

Why are you misconsturing what I said?

Yeah...

You're gonna end up DOS because you either can't or won't understand basic things about how the rules on this site work. I wish you good luck.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Why'd you simplify what you said. That is not what you said the first time. You said "Islamic states can execute people and expect people to accept that the Koran said so".

Dude you literally used a whataboutism tactic in your post. "Well 'Islamic' states do it, so why can't NS mods?" That's literally what whataboutism is.

Why are you misconsturing what I said?

Yeah...

You're gonna end up DOS because you either can't or won't understand basic things about how the rules on this site work. I wish you good luck.

In the same way you either mistakenly or deliberately misrepresented what I said. Wa'Alaikum Assalaam.

[Fartsniffage]

Yeah...

You're gonna end up DOS because you either can't or won't understand basic things about how the rules on this site work. I wish you good luck.

In the same way you either mistakenly or deliberately misrepresented what I said. Wa'Alaikum Assalaam.

I'm sorry, I don't speak Arabic. That's one of your problems, this is an English speaking forum, you should speak English.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Uh, guys, I'm really sorry to cut your debate, but I think this is going really fast to get off topic. If it's possible and, not offending to all of you who are involved, I suggest that you can debate the topic among yourselves in discord or through other means.

Edited: Thanks, Amin.

Fart, he just ended the debate.

[Jolthig]

Uh, guys, I'm really sorry to cut your debate, but I think this is going really fast to get off topic. If it's possible and, not offending to all of you who are involved, I suggest that you can debate the topic among yourselves in discord or through other means.

Edited: Thanks, Amin.

Fart, he just ended the debate.

Yeah, just put each other on your ignore lists before you two end up flaming each other before it turns ugly and both of you get in trouble.

[Fartsniffage]

Uh, guys, I'm really sorry to cut your debate, but I think this is going really fast to get off topic. If it's possible and, not offending to all of you who are involved, I suggest that you can debate the topic among yourselves in discord or through other means.

Edited: Thanks, Amin.

Fart, he just ended the debate.

How did he do that?

[Jolthig]

Uh, guys, I'm really sorry to cut your debate, but I think this is going really fast to get off topic. If it's possible and, not offending to all of you who are involved, I suggest that you can debate the topic among yourselves in discord or through other means.

Edited: Thanks, Amin.

Fart, he just ended the debate.

How did he do that?

"Walakium salaam"

Meaning, And peace be on you. in response to you sarcastically wishing him good luck.

[Samudera Darussalam]

How did he do that?

He said the salaam/greeting to you, in his edited message.
And yeah, what Jolthig said.

[Jolthig]

Anyway, to get back on topic, during Ramadan my Community inaugurated a new mosque at a place known as Islamabad by London, UK. I've been to that place personally while it was under construction and it's a nice ranch. Reminds me of northern Wisconsin Haha. Beautiful place and masjid.