Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Bayshire]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

[Merien]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.

I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.

[Bayshire]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.

I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.

That's my understanding as well. What I do personally is a sin, but it's also sinful to hate me and insult me for it. The way I saw it we were both wrong.

[Merien]

I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.

I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.

That's my understanding as well. What I do personally is a sin, but it's also sinful to hate me and insult me for it. The way I saw it we were both wrong.

I'm Muslim and I still have a gambling problem, a problem with my language towards others, anger issues, and other sins. It took me years to realize God didn't hate me for my sin, but instead loved me and wanted to help me. I rest assured that all of my sins were forgiven when I recited the Shahada, however I am still sinful.

Your journey is still going on, so is mine. I hope one day you find your destination like I believe I have.

[Suriyanakhon]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

No one is entitled to use abusive language or insult another creation of Allah (swt), we're not even supposed to insult the idols of the worst sin of all (shirk) lest we upset people and in their ignorance they curse the name of Allah.

According to traditions obscene abuse is Haram. No matter to whom it is addressed. Whether to a Muslim and Mu’min or to a Kafir and a Sinner, whether young or old. Even if he is a child unable to understand. In fact, some traditions prohibit cursing and abusing the beasts of burden also.

[A m e n r i a]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.

I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.

Basically this. Personally, I wouldn't call anyone else a manwhore, knowing I am one myself lol

[Jolthig]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

One simple answer: There is no compulsion in Islam.

Clearly he has not read or understood that verse

[Merien]

Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.

I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?

All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.

One simple answer: There is no compulsion in Islam.

Clearly he has not read or understood that verse

That was probably one of the first verses/rules I learned. I understand people are susceptible to sin even they are Muslim, but I always accepted that rule.

[Carameon]

Does the Quran advocate for the murder of Jews and Christians?

This is a common misconception based upon a mansukh verse. When the commands of a previous revelation are overriden by a newer revelation it enters the field of naskh becomes mansukh. The Qur'an was revealed in stages as to prepare humanity for its greater acceptance, and so it would still be fitting that it would issue commands to alleviate the current situation. The mansukh verses in question are likely the Sword Verses, which commanded the Muslims to liberate Mecca from the Quraysh pagans by fighting and killing them, but since Mecca was already liberated it became mansukh through another verse reinstating the status of Mecca as a sanctuary devoid of war and conflict. This is also the only instance of naskh being applied to the same issue thrice.

[A m e n r i a]

Does the Quran advocate for the murder of Jews and Christians?

This is a common misconception based upon a mansukh verse. When the commands of a previous revelation are overriden by a newer revelation it enters the field of naskh becomes mansukh. The Qur'an was revealed in stages as to prepare humanity for its greater acceptance, and so it would still be fitting that it would issue commands to alleviate the current situation. The mansukh verses in question are likely the Sword Verses, which commanded the Muslims to liberate Mecca from the Quraysh pagans by fighting and killing them, but since Mecca was already liberated it became mansukh through another verse reinstating the status of Mecca as a sanctuary devoid of war and conflict. This is also the only instance of naskh being applied to the same issue thrice.

Yep. Keep in mind that not every verse in the Qur'an is meant to be interpreted as a command, some are histories, others are prophecies.

[Merien]

This is a common misconception based upon a mansukh verse. When the commands of a previous revelation are overriden by a newer revelation it enters the field of naskh becomes mansukh. The Qur'an was revealed in stages as to prepare humanity for its greater acceptance, and so it would still be fitting that it would issue commands to alleviate the current situation. The mansukh verses in question are likely the Sword Verses, which commanded the Muslims to liberate Mecca from the Quraysh pagans by fighting and killing them, but since Mecca was already liberated it became mansukh through another verse reinstating the status of Mecca as a sanctuary devoid of war and conflict. This is also the only instance of naskh being applied to the same issue thrice.

Yep. Keep in mind that not every verse in the Qur'an is meant to be interpreted as a command, some are histories, others are prophecies.

Yeah, although I think the misconception is more of a stereotype spun by discrimination than the Quran itself.

[Suriyanakhon]

Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.

[A m e n r i a]

Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.

Statues are definitely a no-go, but when it comes to the amulets, it depends. Do they have a secular meaning?

[Fame And Even More Fame]

Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.

Not an expert, but if you don’t give them any religious significance I don’t see the problem.

[Merien]

Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.

I've always associated myself as Jewish so I still have stars of David, but I don't see the big issue if you keep them or not.

[Suriyanakhon]

Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.

Statues are definitely a no-go, but when it comes to the amulets, it depends. Do they have a secular meaning?

Some of them are secular national figures such as Phra Taksin and Phra Chulalongkorn, others are spirits from Thai or Chinese religion who represent secular success but aren't necessarily worshiped, and Phra Sayam Devadhiraj, the guardian angel of Thailand.

[A m e n r i a]

Statues are definitely a no-go, but when it comes to the amulets, it depends. Do they have a secular meaning?

Some of them are secular national figures such as Phra Taksin and Phra Chulalongkorn, others are spirits from Thai or Chinese religion who represent secular success but aren't necessarily worshiped, and Phra Sayam Devadhiraj, the guardian angel of Thailand.

Amulets that look like people? Interesting...should be fine in theory though. That Chinese spirit sounds like Guan Yu.

[Merien]

I have compiled a list of reasons to why I have recently decided to convert to Christianity and why the Quran is untruthful.

April Fools!!! The Quran is the most holy book!

[Merien]

Does anyone have anything like MTA.tv (Ahmadiyya TV) that broadcasts friday prayer in a site, not social media? Preferably Sunni but I guess I'm not too far in the thick of it to look into Shia Islam.

[Suriyanakhon]

Some of them are secular national figures such as Phra Taksin and Phra Chulalongkorn, others are spirits from Thai or Chinese religion who represent secular success but aren't necessarily worshiped, and Phra Sayam Devadhiraj, the guardian angel of Thailand.

Amulets that look like people? Interesting...should be fine in theory though. That Chinese spirit sounds like Guan Yu.

Nah it's a huli jing (fox spirit), honestly that one was more my fault than anything else since I just thought it looked pretty.

[A m e n r i a]

Oh yeah they do be looking fine.

[Merien]

I've decided that for the time being I will be adhering to Ahmadiyya Islam since thats mainly what I know about and I believe in alot of what it says.

[Jolthig]

I've decided that for the time being I will be adhering to Ahmadiyya Islam since thats mainly what I know about and I believe in alot of what it says.

Make proper investigation, pray for guidance, and consult with numerous people you trust.

[A m e n r i a]

I've decided that for the time being I will be adhering to Ahmadiyya Islam since thats mainly what I know about and I believe in alot of what it says.

Make proper investigation, pray for guidance, and consult with numerous people you trust.

If he's a convert, it might take a while for him to adjust to Islam, let alone one particular branch. It would make sense to stay nondenominational while he does what you suggest, don't you think?

[Merien]

Make proper investigation, pray for guidance, and consult with numerous people you trust.

If he's a convert, it might take a while for him to adjust to Islam, let alone one particular branch. It would make sense to stay nondenominational while he does what you suggest, don't you think?

I converted as a muslim and decided to be a Sunni Muslim. I am still working on it all.

The big issue is there is no mosques or centers in my area and I can't really find a good thing to watch during Friday prayer that's Sunni.

I am also not really good at learning languages (partially due to me being mentally impaired) but I have learned bits. If you got any good sites or apps to learn arabic (as used in the Quran), that would be really nice to share.

I don't really want to associate with something like non denominational (no offense) as I think that will simply lead me to where I was before where I was before.