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by Bayshire » Tue Mar 26, 2024 2:26 pm
by Merien » Tue Mar 26, 2024 4:50 pm
Bayshire wrote:Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.
I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?
All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.
by Bayshire » Tue Mar 26, 2024 5:13 pm
Merien wrote:Bayshire wrote:Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.
I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?
All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.
I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.
I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.
by Merien » Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:04 pm
Bayshire wrote:Merien wrote:
I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.
I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.
That's my understanding as well. What I do personally is a sin, but it's also sinful to hate me and insult me for it. The way I saw it we were both wrong.
by Suriyanakhon » Tue Mar 26, 2024 6:56 pm
Bayshire wrote:Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.
I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?
All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.
Muhaqqiq Muhammad Taqi Shirazi (r.a) wrote:According to traditions obscene abuse is Haram. No matter to whom it is addressed. Whether to a Muslim and Mu’min or to a Kafir and a Sinner, whether young or old. Even if he is a child unable to understand. In fact, some traditions prohibit cursing and abusing the beasts of burden also.
by A m e n r i a » Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:31 pm
Merien wrote:Bayshire wrote:Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.
I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?
All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.
I don't usually call people I dislike slurs, I wouldn't call that a debate, I would just call that a flamewar.
I don't judge others because I know I am as sinful if not more sinful even with my conversion to Islam.
by Jolthig » Tue Mar 26, 2024 8:37 pm
Bayshire wrote:Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.
I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?
All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.
by Merien » Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:25 am
Jolthig wrote:Bayshire wrote:Hello everyone. I am not Muslim, but I have a quandry that I thought the Muslim community of NS could offer their insights.
I was engaged in a rather heated online debate today with and individual whom I considered a close friend before. I brought up my concerns that judging others is haram, yet this particular individual continues to judge many people. I expressed that this wasn't sunnah, especially during Ramadan, and he quickly devolved into calling me a "faggot" and a "manwhore." I understand that homosexual interactions are generally considered sinful in Islam, and I'm not trying to come off as that I don't sin according to Islam, but doesn't this individual berating me also constitute a sin?
All input is welcome and valuable, just please remain respectful.
One simple answer: There is no compulsion in Islam.
Clearly he has not read or understood that verse
by Carameon » Thu Mar 28, 2024 3:11 am
The Aosta Valley wrote:Does the Quran advocate for the murder of Jews and Christians?
by A m e n r i a » Thu Mar 28, 2024 5:45 am
Carameon wrote:The Aosta Valley wrote:Does the Quran advocate for the murder of Jews and Christians?
This is a common misconception based upon a mansukh verse. When the commands of a previous revelation are overriden by a newer revelation it enters the field of naskh becomes mansukh. The Qur'an was revealed in stages as to prepare humanity for its greater acceptance, and so it would still be fitting that it would issue commands to alleviate the current situation. The mansukh verses in question are likely the Sword Verses, which commanded the Muslims to liberate Mecca from the Quraysh pagans by fighting and killing them, but since Mecca was already liberated it became mansukh through another verse reinstating the status of Mecca as a sanctuary devoid of war and conflict. This is also the only instance of naskh being applied to the same issue thrice.
by Merien » Thu Mar 28, 2024 4:53 pm
A m e n r i a wrote:Carameon wrote:This is a common misconception based upon a mansukh verse. When the commands of a previous revelation are overriden by a newer revelation it enters the field of naskh becomes mansukh. The Qur'an was revealed in stages as to prepare humanity for its greater acceptance, and so it would still be fitting that it would issue commands to alleviate the current situation. The mansukh verses in question are likely the Sword Verses, which commanded the Muslims to liberate Mecca from the Quraysh pagans by fighting and killing them, but since Mecca was already liberated it became mansukh through another verse reinstating the status of Mecca as a sanctuary devoid of war and conflict. This is also the only instance of naskh being applied to the same issue thrice.
Yep. Keep in mind that not every verse in the Qur'an is meant to be interpreted as a command, some are histories, others are prophecies.
by Suriyanakhon » Sun Mar 31, 2024 1:21 am
by A m e n r i a » Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:01 am
Suriyanakhon wrote:Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.
by Fame And Even More Fame » Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:45 am
Suriyanakhon wrote:Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.
by Merien » Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:32 pm
Suriyanakhon wrote:Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.
by Suriyanakhon » Sun Mar 31, 2024 3:06 pm
A m e n r i a wrote:Suriyanakhon wrote:Is it permissible to keep objects of one's former religion if one no longer endows them with religious significance and keeps them solely for cultural reasons? I own a number of amulets and statues that friends and family have given me over the years and I obviously could never break or injure them, but giving them to another member of my old religion feels like it would be sin by proxy.
Statues are definitely a no-go, but when it comes to the amulets, it depends. Do they have a secular meaning?
by A m e n r i a » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:22 pm
Suriyanakhon wrote:A m e n r i a wrote:
Statues are definitely a no-go, but when it comes to the amulets, it depends. Do they have a secular meaning?
Some of them are secular national figures such as Phra Taksin and Phra Chulalongkorn, others are spirits from Thai or Chinese religion who represent secular success but aren't necessarily worshiped, and Phra Sayam Devadhiraj, the guardian angel of Thailand.
by Merien » Mon Apr 01, 2024 3:21 pm
by Merien » Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:31 pm
by Suriyanakhon » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:28 am
A m e n r i a wrote:Suriyanakhon wrote:
Some of them are secular national figures such as Phra Taksin and Phra Chulalongkorn, others are spirits from Thai or Chinese religion who represent secular success but aren't necessarily worshiped, and Phra Sayam Devadhiraj, the guardian angel of Thailand.
Amulets that look like people? Interesting...should be fine in theory though. That Chinese spirit sounds like Guan Yu.
by A m e n r i a » Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:33 am
by Merien » Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:08 am
by Jolthig » Tue Apr 02, 2024 9:50 am
Merien wrote:I've decided that for the time being I will be adhering to Ahmadiyya Islam since thats mainly what I know about and I believe in alot of what it says.
by A m e n r i a » Tue Apr 02, 2024 10:56 pm
by Merien » Wed Apr 03, 2024 11:07 am
A m e n r i a wrote:Jolthig wrote:Make proper investigation, pray for guidance, and consult with numerous people you trust.
If he's a convert, it might take a while for him to adjust to Islam, let alone one particular branch. It would make sense to stay nondenominational while he does what you suggest, don't you think?
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