Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Ansarullah]

I don't care about Israel's existence or the fact Jews are in Israel. I care about Israel destroying Muslims and desecrating our holy sites. I have nothing against Jews as people.

Jewish nationalism is obviously innately at odds with Islam, Jewish nationalists don't want a Muslim majority or even a minority on their turf, Jewish nationalism demands al-Aqsa'

I never denied that.

[Ansarullah]

That's the thing, from his perspective it wasn't a lie. There was a very serious element in the right wing of German politics that actually wholeheartedly believed Jews caused the German Empire to fall and lose the war, as silly as that is. Hitler was part of that group, he didn't invent it, it was already coming into form before the war was even fully over.

Is that why I see Jews use the "tell a lie enough and people will believe it" quote all the time? You don't say that about something you genuinely believe in.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's the thing, from his perspective it wasn't a lie. There was a very serious element in the right wing of German politics that actually wholeheartedly believed Jews caused the German Empire to fall and lose the war, as silly as that is. Hitler was part of that group, he didn't invent it, it was already coming into form before the war was even fully over.

Is that why I see Jews use the "tell a lie enough and people will believe it" quote all the time? You don't say that about something you genuinely believe in.

Hitler didn't say that, Goebbels did, and it was in reference to his propaganda ministry not the stab in the back myth.

[Ansarullah]

Hitler didn't say that, Goebbels did, and it was in reference to his propaganda ministry not the stab in the back myth

That "myth" was part of it, I don't see how that refutes it.

[Diarcesia]

Believe whatever you want, I believe we have drifted off-topic enough.

[Insaanistan]

Yes, which is why he invaded other countries and set up extermination camps in said countries. Of course...

Invaded? You mean defended himself? He didn't declare war on Britain or France. He wanted German lands back from Poland, and that was it.
Oh, and I find the camps part funny. I'll try to put it this way; you don't believe Jews were behind Germany losing WW1 and you most likely think Hitler made that up as an excuse to gain power. If that's the case, why would he fall for his own lie? If the Holocaust actually happened, it alone could have cost Germany the war given the amount of resources you'd need to pour into those camps to massacare 6 million+ people. That doesn't make much sense.

Hitler was a brown haired, brown eyed Austrian whose philosophy revolves around both him being the most superior human on earth and the most superior people on earth being blonde haired, blue eyes Germans.

Do you really think dictators who make political cults revolving around themselves behave in ways that make 100% sense to rational people?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hitler didn't say that, Goebbels did, and it was in reference to his propaganda ministry not the stab in the back myth

That "myth" was part of it, I don't see how that refutes it.

It refutes it because you're trying to connect two entirely separate things. The stab in the back mythos existed before the Nazi Party or even the German Workers Party did, it was coming into form as early as 1917 amongst right wing politicians. The Nazis were just the most successful at spreading the message.

From a quick glance though it turns out neither Hitler nor Goebbels ever actually said that, it's apocrypha in line with falsely attributed Jefferson quotes. The more you know I guess.

[Ansarullah]

Hitler was a brown haired, brown eyed Austrian whose philosophy revolves around both him being the most superior human on earth and the most superior people on earth being blonde haired, blue eyes Germans.

Do you really think dictators who make political cults revolving around themselves behave in ways that make 100% sense to rational people

He didn't believe he was the best human alive what lmao.
While racism is stupid, it was a completely normal belief at the time. Hell, the people Hitler fought were racists themselves. The British were even worse than the Germans, look at India.
Oh, and he wasn't stupid. Call his beliefs stupid all you want, but an idiot doesn't manipulate an entire country to an entirely new ideology he made himself.

[Chess Reloaded]

what an absolute red flag of a duo this thread has

AQ supporter and a holocaust denialist
We're best friends

Only scholar I know who sympathizes with the Nazis is Shaykh Faisal and he's definitely extreme, though he has some really good books like 100 Fabricated Hadiths. His lectures are very rousing but damn

[Ansarullah]

Only scholar I know who sympathizes with the Nazis is Shaykh Faisal and he's definitely extreme, though he has some really good books like 100 Fabricated Hadiths. His lectures are very rousing but damn

I was being sarcastic

[Washington Resistance Army]

Hitler was a brown haired, brown eyed Austrian whose philosophy revolves around both him being the most superior human on earth and the most superior people on earth being blonde haired, blue eyes Germans.

Do you really think dictators who make political cults revolving around themselves behave in ways that make 100% sense to rational people

He didn't believe he was the best human alive what lmao.
While racism is stupid, it was a completely normal belief at the time. Hell, the people Hitler fought were racists themselves. The British were even worse than the Germans, look at India.
Oh, and he wasn't stupid. Call his beliefs stupid all you want, but an idiot doesn't manipulate an entire country to an entirely new ideology he made himself.

He also didn't make the ideology. Precursor groups that espoused more less the same thing Hitler did had existed since the 1890's in both Germany and Austria, Hitler just had the most success at spreading the message. If you're gonna simp for the Nazis at least do some research lol.

[Ansarullah]

He also didn't make the ideology. Precursor groups that espoused more less the same thing Hitler did had existed since the 1890's in both Germany and Austria, Hitler just had the most success at spreading the message

He led it, put it that way.

If you're gonna simp for the Nazis at least do some research lol.

I get my info on this from Nazis, I couldn't care less about the topic to research it thoroughly. It doesn't especially interest me.

[Czervenika]

He also didn't make the ideology. Precursor groups that espoused more less the same thing Hitler did had existed since the 1890's in both Germany and Austria, Hitler just had the most success at spreading the message

He led it, put it that way.

If you're gonna simp for the Nazis at least do some research lol.

I get my info on this from Nazis, I couldn't care less about the topic to research it thoroughly. It doesn't especially interest me.

Getting information about Nazism from Nazis is like getting information about North Korea from Kim Jong-Un himself. Of course he's going to claim his country is perfect and that everyone is happy. See where I'm going with this?

[Ansarullah]

Getting information about Nazism from Nazis is like getting information about North Korea from Kim Jong-Un himself. Of course he's going to claim his country is perfect and that everyone is happy. See where I'm going with this?

I'm gonna ignore that most of what's said about NK is false.
Like I said, I don't care about the topic enough to invest any significant amount of time into researching it. If I'm wrong, great, that has nothing to do with my Islamic beliefs and I'll just keep it in mind if it ever comes up again.

[Czervenika]

Getting information about Nazism from Nazis is like getting information about North Korea from Kim Jong-Un himself. Of course he's going to claim his country is perfect and that everyone is happy. See where I'm going with this?

I'm gonna ignore that most of what's said about NK is false.
Like I said, I don't care about the topic enough to invest any significant amount of time into researching it. If I'm wrong, great, that has nothing to do with my Islamic beliefs and I'll just keep it in mind if it ever comes up again.

(For the record I don't believe all the information out there about NK either, but the comparison was apt.

[Samudera Darussalam]

This has regressed to something worse than I expected.

[Ansarullah]

I honestly can't say there's any single source to believe about North Korea. NK's media is, most likely, owned by the government as it's a communist country. You could trust Chinese media or RT, but those are similarly slanted towards Russian/Chinese interests even if it's not as much as Western media. And as I've stated before, Western media is not above lying or completely falsifying information about their enemies to demonize them.

[Celritannia]

Yes, which is why he invaded other countries and set up extermination camps in said countries. Of course...

Invaded? You mean defended himself? He didn't declare war on Britain or France. He wanted German lands back from Poland, and that was it.
Oh, and I find the camps part funny. I'll try to put it this way; you don't believe Jews were behind Germany losing WW1 and you most likely think Hitler made that up as an excuse to gain power. If that's the case, why would he fall for his own lie? If the Holocaust actually happened, it alone could have cost Germany the war given the amount of resources you'd need to pour into those camps to massacare 6 million+ people. That doesn't make much sense.

Can we just remember the Holocaust didn't just kill the jews? Different groups of people were killed in these proven killing factories. From Slavs to homosexuals, Romani peoples, to Soviet POWs.

To deny the factual atrocities is to laugh at the most basic and fundamental facts of history, and it can make someone look like a fucking idiot.

[Ansarullah]

Can we just remember the Holocaust didn't just kill the jews? Different groups of people were killed in these proven killing factories. From Slavs to homosexuals, Romani peoples, to Soviet POWs.

"Holocaust" refers to Jews most of the time. Romanis I can't say but that was probably made up too (or exaggerated at minimum). Homosexuals.....well, I'm an Islamist, it doesn't take much to guess what I think of that.
POWs, that doesn't matter; it's war. Both sides massacared POWs and treated them awfully.

[Czervenika]

I honestly can't say there's any single source to believe about North Korea. NK's media is, most likely, owned by the government as it's a communist country. You could trust Chinese media or RT, but those are similarly slanted towards Russian/Chinese interests even if it's not as much as Western media. And as I've stated before, Western media is not above lying or completely falsifying information about their enemies to demonize them.

Some sources are more biased than others. North Korea has a lot of issues, primarily caused by their isolation and the cruel sanctions imposed on them by the west. China is really their only true ally and even then it's an alliance of convenience more than anything else. The Chinese use the Koreans for a source of cheap labour.

[Celritannia]

Can we just remember the Holocaust didn't just kill the jews? Different groups of people were killed in these proven killing factories. From Slavs to homosexuals, Romani peoples, to Soviet POWs.

"Holocaust" refers to Jews most of the time. Romanis I can't say but that was probably made up too (or exaggerated at minimum). Homosexuals.....well, I'm an Islamist, it doesn't take much to guess what I think of that.
POWs, that doesn't matter; it's war. Both sides massacared POWs and treated them awfully.

Wow, okay, this is just disgusting and stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

[Ansarullah]

Some sources are more biased than others. North Korea has a lot of issues, primarily caused by their isolation and the cruel sanctions imposed on them by the west. China is really their only true ally and even then it's an alliance of convenience more than anything else. The Chinese use the Koreans for a source of cheap labour.

All sources are, in some way, biased. PressTV (the main source I go to) is obviously slanted towards Iranian interests. Al-Jazeera is slanted towards Qatari interests while ignoring the literal slavery in Qatar itself. RT is slanted towards Russian interests, and so on. It's more piecing together everything all these sources say and trying to fit it into a single narrative rather than relying on just one.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Can we just remember the Holocaust didn't just kill the jews? Different groups of people were killed in these proven killing factories. From Slavs to homosexuals, Romani peoples, to Soviet POWs.

"Holocaust" refers to Jews most of the time. Romanis I can't say but that was probably made up too (or exaggerated at minimum). Homosexuals.....well, I'm an Islamist, it doesn't take much to guess what I think of that.
POWs, that doesn't matter; it's war. Both sides massacared POWs and treated them awfully.

Made up? Really?

The Shoah is a true disaster for European Jewry. Lots of people in Eastern Europe and parts of Western Europe were wiped out.

I don't even learn this in school ffs and I thought those in the West usually do.

[Ansarullah]

Wow, okay, this is just disgusting and stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Wikipedia, highly reliable source 10/10
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Made up? Really?

The Shoah is a true disaster for European Jewry. Lots of people in Eastern Europe and parts of Western Europe were wiped out.

I don't even learn this in school ffs and I thought those in the West usually do.

School, the same place that teaches you 9/11 was committed by Muslims, that America is somehow the good guy in the world, etc.

[Czervenika]

"Holocaust" refers to Jews most of the time. Romanis I can't say but that was probably made up too (or exaggerated at minimum). Homosexuals.....well, I'm an Islamist, it doesn't take much to guess what I think of that.
POWs, that doesn't matter; it's war. Both sides massacared POWs and treated them awfully.

Made up? Really?

The Shoah is a true disaster for European Jewry. Lots of people in Eastern Europe and parts of Western Europe were wiped out.

I don't even learn this in school ffs and I thought those in the West usually do.

Thank you for being a voice of reason in this thread. (I'm assuming you're a Muslim, hence my comment.)