Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Ansarullah]

lol, Nazis did wage war on an entire religion

Did they wage war on the second (or first depending on what you consider Christian) largest religion?
No, they fought against a single, small religion; and even then, they fought against a small group of that religion.

[Diarcesia]

lol, Nazis did wage war on an entire religion

Did they wage war on the second (or first depending on what you consider Christian) largest religion?
No, they fought against a single, small religion; and even then, they fought against a small group of that religion.

Lol no, that's moving goalposts.

[Ansarullah]

Lol no, that's moving goalposts

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[Washington Resistance Army]

lol, Nazis did wage war on an entire religion

Did they wage war on the second (or first depending on what you consider Christian) largest religion?
No, they fought against a single, small religion; and even then, they fought against a small group of that religion.

While it wasn't as open as their attempts to destroy Judaism entirely they did conflict quite a lot with Christianity yeah, and several leading Nazis (Bormann, Himmler etc) all wanted to destroy the faith for various reasons and probably would have had they won.

[Chess Reloaded]

Supporting Nazis who fought purely for race and disliking men who fight for Islam frankly makes zero sense as a Muslim. There are some interesting Nazi writings. There also interesting communist writings. Men who fight and die just to establish Shari'ah receive paradise, men who fight for race or class get nothing

[Czervenika]

lol, Nazis did wage war on an entire religion

Did they wage war on the second (or first depending on what you consider Christian) largest religion?
No, they fought against a single, small religion; and even then, they fought against a small group of that religion.

A small group? Lol, no. They wanted Judaism gone.

[Diarcesia]

Lol no, that's moving goalposts

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They waged to drive out Judaism, a religion, as in they ultimately resolved to seek out and remove all Jews even outside Germany.

[Ansarullah]

Did they wage war on the second (or first depending on what you consider Christian) largest religion?
No, they fought against a single, small religion; and even then, they fought against a small group of that religion.

While it wasn't as open as their attempts to destroy Judaism entirely they did conflict quite a lot with Christianity yeah, and several leading Nazis (Bormann, Himmler etc) all wanted to destroy the faith for various reasons and probably would have had they won.

I was referring to Jews. I'm not denying the Nazis weren't fans of Christianity but the chances of them suppressing the religion followed by ~96% of the European population in any feasible amount of time are low.

[Ansarullah]

Supporting Nazis who fought purely for race and disliking men who fight for Islam frankly makes zero sense as a Muslim. There are some interesting Nazi writings. There also interesting communist writings. Men who fight and die just to establish Shari'ah receive paradise, men who fight for race or class get nothing

I do not "support" Hitler. I mildly prefer Hitler over the Allies because the Allies were actively killing and oppressing Muslims while Hitler just wanted us out of Europe, something I agree with him on.

They waged to drive out Judaism, a religion, as in they ultimately resolved to seek out and remove all Jews even outside Germany.

No, actually. Hitler just wanted them out of Europe. He didn't care what happened to them outside of it.

A small group? Lol, no. They wanted Judaism gone.

See above.

[Washington Resistance Army]

While it wasn't as open as their attempts to destroy Judaism entirely they did conflict quite a lot with Christianity yeah, and several leading Nazis (Bormann, Himmler etc) all wanted to destroy the faith for various reasons and probably would have had they won.

I was referring to Jews. I'm not denying the Nazis weren't fans of Christianity but the chances of them suppressing the religion followed by ~96% of the European population in any feasible amount of time are low.

Quite the opposite, it would have been very easy for such a government to do. Stalin more or less entirely destroyed Orthodox Christianity in Russia in less than 20 years and it only got saved because it became a useful propaganda tool.

[Ansarullah]

I was referring to Jews. I'm not denying the Nazis weren't fans of Christianity but the chances of them suppressing the religion followed by ~96% of the European population in any feasible amount of time are low.

Quite the opposite, it would have been very easy for such a government to do. Stalin more or less entirely destroyed Orthodox Christianity in Russia in less than 20 years and it only got saved because it became a useful propaganda tool.

Destroyed? What lmao. It doesn't matter how many he killed, how many churches he destroyed or how many Christians in the government "disappeared". The religion was still followed, openly or secretly, by most Russians well past WW2.

[Czervenika]

No, actually. Hitler just wanted them out of Europe. He didn't care what happened to them outside of it.

Yes, which is why he invaded other countries and set up extermination camps in said countries. Of course...

/s

[Washington Resistance Army]

Quite the opposite, it would have been very easy for such a government to do. Stalin more or less entirely destroyed Orthodox Christianity in Russia in less than 20 years and it only got saved because it became a useful propaganda tool.

Destroyed? What lmao. It doesn't matter how many he killed, how many churches he destroyed or how many Christians in the government "disappeared". The religion was still followed, openly or secretly, by most Russians well past WW2.

Even Orthodox Christians themselves don't hold this viewpoint. UMN could give you more exact numbers but Christianity in Russia is more a cultural thing than a religious thing in the post-Stalin era, Church attendance is abysmal and relatively few people are actually serious about the faith. They just say they're Christians because that's what everyone has always done.

[Chess Reloaded]

Nazis driving al-Yahud out of Europe is where Israel cones from.

[Ansarullah]

Yes, which is why he invaded other countries and set up extermination camps in said countries. Of course...

Invaded? You mean defended himself? He didn't declare war on Britain or France. He wanted German lands back from Poland, and that was it.
Oh, and I find the camps part funny. I'll try to put it this way; you don't believe Jews were behind Germany losing WW1 and you most likely think Hitler made that up as an excuse to gain power. If that's the case, why would he fall for his own lie? If the Holocaust actually happened, it alone could have cost Germany the war given the amount of resources you'd need to pour into those camps to massacare 6 million+ people. That doesn't make much sense.

[Ansarullah]

Nazis driving al-Yahud out of Europe is where Israel cones from.

I don't care about Israel's existence or the fact Jews are in Israel. I care about Israel destroying Muslims and desecrating our holy sites. I have nothing against Jews as people.

[Diarcesia]

Yes, which is why he invaded other countries and set up extermination camps in said countries. Of course...

Invaded? You mean defended himself? He didn't declare war on Britain or France. He wanted German lands back from Poland, and that was it.
Oh, and I find the camps part funny. I'll try to put it this way; you don't believe Jews were behind Germany losing WW1 and you most likely think Hitler made that up as an excuse to gain power. If that's the case, why would he fall for his own lie? If the Holocaust actually happened, it alone could have cost Germany the war given the amount of resources you'd need to pour into those camps to massacare 6 million+ people. That doesn't make much sense.

The thing is Hitler really believed in his reality, which to non-Nazis is actually a lie. I won't say anything more. Holocaust is a settled fact.

[Ansarullah]

The thing is Hitler really believed in his reality, which to non-Nazis is actually a lie. I won't say anything more. Holocaust is a settled fact.

Why fall for your own lie? You can call Hitler a methhead or insane all you want, but he wasn't stupid.

[Diahon]

what an absolute red flag of a duo this thread has

[Genivaria]

The thing is Hitler really believed in his reality, which to non-Nazis is actually a lie. I won't say anything more. Holocaust is a settled fact.

Why fall for your own lie? You can call Hitler a methhead or insane all you want, but he wasn't stupid.

No he was pretty fucking stupid.

[Czervenika]

Yes, which is why he invaded other countries and set up extermination camps in said countries. Of course...

Invaded? You mean defended himself? He didn't declare war on Britain or France. He wanted German lands back from Poland, and that was it.
Oh, and I find the camps part funny. I'll try to put it this way; you don't believe Jews were behind Germany losing WW1 and you most likely think Hitler made that up as an excuse to gain power. If that's the case, why would he fall for his own lie? If the Holocaust actually happened, it alone could have cost Germany the war given the amount of resources you'd need to pour into those camps to massacare 6 million+ people. That doesn't make much sense.

Wow. Straight up Holocaust denial.

I need to leave this thread before I say something I'll regret.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The thing is Hitler really believed in his reality, which to non-Nazis is actually a lie. I won't say anything more. Holocaust is a settled fact.

Why fall for your own lie? You can call Hitler a methhead or insane all you want, but he wasn't stupid.

That's the thing, from his perspective it wasn't a lie. There was a very serious element in the right wing of German politics that actually wholeheartedly believed Jews caused the German Empire to fall and lose the war, as silly as that is. Hitler was part of that group, he didn't invent it, it was already coming into form before the war was even fully over.

[Ansarullah]

what an absolute red flag of a duo this thread has

AQ supporter and a holocaust denialist
We're best friends

[Chess Reloaded]

Nazis driving al-Yahud out of Europe is where Israel cones from.

I don't care about Israel's existence or the fact Jews are in Israel. I care about Israel destroying Muslims and desecrating our holy sites. I have nothing against Jews as people.

Jewish nationalism is obviously innately at odds with Islam, Jewish nationalists don't want a Muslim majority or even a minority on their turf, Jewish nationalism demands al-Aqsa'

[Diahon]

Why fall for your own lie? You can call Hitler a methhead or insane all you want, but he wasn't stupid.

That's the thing, from his perspective it wasn't a lie. There was a very serious element in the right wing of German politics that actually wholeheartedly believed Jews caused the German Empire to fall and lose the war, as silly as that is. Hitler was part of that group, he didn't invent it, it was already coming into form before the war was even fully over.

beliefs can be stupid, yes