Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Chess Reloaded]

No.
Maybe by 1960s America.

He waged holy wars of aggression, took slaves, committed genocide, forced conversions, rape, looting, conquest, mass executions, etc. In other words he spread terror.

So yes, he would have been labelled a terrorist. That Chess thinks this is a point in Islam's favor is a very bizarre take; if anything, it's an argument *against* Islam. But I guess that's what happens when your prophet was a merciless, vengeful warmonger.

Don't Christians think Jesus is Yahweh? Want me to give you some examples of Yahweh's acts and orders?

[Ansarullah]

Don't Christians think Jesus is Yahweh? Want me to give you some examples of Yahweh's acts and orders?
Top

Like that one time YHWH killed 40-something children with a bear for mocking a bald guy?

[Chess Reloaded]

Because you're allowed to have any opinion you want here.

Yea, most other sites are quick to ban users for extreme political views. Not here, though. Like, I get banned from Facebook regularly simply for saying I want billionaires dead.

I've had two nations deleted just for explaining Ibn Laden's reasoning. Different sites have different rules. FB also bans the Taliban. Twitter is probably the most lenient, they're much more lenient than here

[Ansarullah]

Reasoning behind what?

[Chess Reloaded]

Don't Christians think Jesus is Yahweh? Want me to give you some examples of Yahweh's acts and orders?
Top

Like that one time YHWH killed 40-something children with a bear for mocking a bald guy?

That's not even much compared to how idolaters were dealt with. In point of fact Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم is much gentler with them than prophets of the Biblical portrayal of prophets acting on divine orders

[Insaanistan]

Which Shariā? You act as if there’s just one book of shariā law all Muslims agree on the interpretation, extent and implementations of.

Shari'ah is one, fiqh, understanding of it, is what has variety.

Every single legal system in the world has many interpretations. If we want an overview of the array of more or less accepted interpretations of Shari'ah, we can look at The Distinguished Jurist's Primer. Astounding as this seems, there is much less latitude there than the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution which covers much less law, to say nothing at all of the countless judicial interpretations of the American law in total. But if someone boasts of the U.S. Constitution we don't tell him off because it's subject to interpretation. The issues I drew attention to fixed by Shari'ah regarding of the school or interpretation you're going by if it genuinely uses a methodology for rulings that has been long established

In the words of Mehdi Hasan “There is no book of sharia.”
Shariā is subject to local customs and historically has varied greatly, to a much greater degree than interpretations of any constitution.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yea, most other sites are quick to ban users for extreme political views. Not here, though. Like, I get banned from Facebook regularly simply for saying I want billionaires dead.

I've had two nations deleted just for explaining Ibn Laden's reasoning. Different sites have different rules. FB also bans the Taliban. Twitter is probably the most lenient, they're much more lenient than here

That is a wildly disingenuous explanation lol. You had nations deleted because you simp hard for al-Qaeda and quite openly have no issue with terrorism if it kills non-Muslims, not because you simply explained why 9/11 happened.

[Chess Reloaded]

Shari'ah is one, fiqh, understanding of it, is what has variety.

Every single legal system in the world has many interpretations. If we want an overview of the array of more or less accepted interpretations of Shari'ah, we can look at The Distinguished Jurist's Primer. Astounding as this seems, there is much less latitude there than the interpretation of the U.S. Constitution which covers much less law, to say nothing at all of the countless judicial interpretations of the American law in total. But if someone boasts of the U.S. Constitution we don't tell him off because it's subject to interpretation. The issues I drew attention to fixed by Shari'ah regarding of the school or interpretation you're going by if it genuinely uses a methodology for rulings that has been long established

In the words of Mehdi Hasan “There is no book of sharia.”
Shariā is subject to local customs and historically has varied greatly, to a much greater degree than interpretations of any constitution.

There is no “book” of Shari'ah because the Prophet ﷺ was illiterate. He still ruled by a law and that law is what Shari'ah is. Local custom, ‘urf, i.e. common law--not case law--is only considered a basis of law in Hanafi fiqh and it's use is circumspect, it is employed to answer questions that aren't answered by the Quran and the Sunnah or Qiyaas, it's not used to override them.

[Chess Reloaded]

I've had two nations deleted just for explaining Ibn Laden's reasoning. Different sites have different rules. FB also bans the Taliban. Twitter is probably the most lenient, they're much more lenient than here

That is a wildly disingenuous explanation lol. You had nations deleted because you simp hard for al-Qaeda and quite openly have no issue with terrorism if it kills non-Muslims, not because you simply explained why 9/11 happened.

I firmly believe in rules of war and don't believe in blindly killing unbelievers which has no ethical or strategic purpose

[Czervenika]

Ironically Jesus actually addressed this issue: He told men who couldn't stop staring at women and demanding they cover themselves to gouge out their eyes instead (not literally, of course; it was a way of saying "That sounds like a you problem. Learn to resist temptation and leave women alone.")

One of His most based moments.

Yes. One of my favourite things Jesus ever said tbh. It baffles me how conservative Christians can so blatantly go against that. So many of them victim blame sexual assault/rape victims and it's gross.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is a wildly disingenuous explanation lol. You had nations deleted because you simp hard for al-Qaeda and quite openly have no issue with terrorism if it kills non-Muslims, not because you simply explained why 9/11 happened.

I firmly believe in rules of war and don't believe in blindly killing unbelievers which has no ethical or strategic purpose

Which is why you supported flying planes into insurance offices in New York lol. Such ethics, much strategy, surely the Great Satan will be felled because you messed up some 401(k)'s.

[Lady Victory]

I firmly believe in rules of war and don't believe in blindly killing unbelievers which has no ethical or strategic purpose

Which is why you supported flying planes into insurance offices in New York lol. Such ethics, much strategy, surely the Great Satan will be felled because you messed up some 401(k)'s.

About as 'strategic' and 'ethical' as wasting resources on death camps for minorities while you're fighting a war on two fronts. It's amazing Nazis and Jihadists don't like each when they have so much in common.

[Ansarullah]

I like Nazis actually. I'm just not a Jihadist or an AQ supporter.

[Chess Reloaded]

I firmly believe in rules of war and don't believe in blindly killing unbelievers which has no ethical or strategic purpose

Which is why you supported flying planes into insurance offices in New York lol. Such ethics, much strategy, surely the Great Satan will be felled because you messed up some 401(k)'s.

Don't antagonize me, I recall your bloodthirsty thoughts on Afghanistan. I don't have any interest in butchering Americana that way.

[Chess Reloaded]

I like Nazis actually. I'm just not a Jihadist or an AQ supporter.

Don't worry, we'll sort you out.

[Ansarullah]

I like Nazis actually. I'm just not a Jihadist or an AQ supporter.

Don't worry, we'll sort you out.

That's what Franz said

[Diahon]

Which is why you supported flying planes into insurance offices in New York lol. Such ethics, much strategy, surely the Great Satan will be felled because you messed up some 401(k)'s.

Don't antagonize me, I recall your bloodthirsty thoughts on Afghanistan. I don't have any interest in butchering Americana that way.

try antagonizing yourself, then

[Washington Resistance Army]

Which is why you supported flying planes into insurance offices in New York lol. Such ethics, much strategy, surely the Great Satan will be felled because you messed up some 401(k)'s.

Don't antagonize me, I recall your bloodthirsty thoughts on Afghanistan. I don't have any interest in butchering Americana that way.

I don't think we ever should have invaded Afghanistan. I was simply commenting on why the west can't win a war anymore.

[Chess Reloaded]

Don't antagonize me, I recall your bloodthirsty thoughts on Afghanistan. I don't have any interest in butchering Americana that way.

I don't think we ever should have invaded Afghanistan. I was simply commenting on why the west can't win a war anymore.

In other words you think terrorism is a necessity in war?

[Insaanistan]

I like Nazis actually. I'm just not a Jihadist or an AQ supporter.

Hol’ up.

[Diahon]

I like Nazis actually. I'm just not a Jihadist or an AQ supporter.

quelle fucking surprise

[Czervenika]

I like Nazis actually. I'm just not a Jihadist or an AQ supporter.

Huge yikes.

[Insaanistan]

The burqa itself is not really the problem. At least, imo. The problem I have with it are the implications. A lot of Muslim men seem to have a mentality that if a woman is not fully covered like that then it's okay to sexually harass her. The very same mentality exists in a lot of conservative Christian circles as well and it's equally problematic in both.

In other words, a woman should not be forced to wear a burqa against her will just to feel safe. Men should have the dignity as well to not act like perverts every five seconds. It's honestly just as degrading to men to imply they cannot control their urges unless women are covered head to toe.

Ironically Jesus actually addressed this issue: He told men who couldn't stop staring at women and demanding they cover themselves to gouge out their eyes instead (not literally, of course; it was a way of saying "That sounds like a you problem. Learn to resist temptation and leave women alone.")

One of His most based moments.

There’s a similar authentic Hadith of Muhammad (S).
Imagine how peaceful earth would be if people who claim adhere to world religions actually did what the religions said.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think we ever should have invaded Afghanistan. I was simply commenting on why the west can't win a war anymore.

In other words you think terrorism is a necessity in war?

If your goal is total victory then yes a certain amount of terror is needed, that's just the reality of warfare in the industrial age. The Empire of Japan didn't crumble because we appealed to liberalism and tried to make them see our side, it crumbled because we nuked them and were ready to invade the smoldering remains of the nation.

[Chess Reloaded]

In other words you think terrorism is a necessity in war?

If your goal is total victory then yes a certain amount of terror is needed, that's just the reality of warfare in the industrial age. The Empire of Japan didn't crumble because we appealed to liberalism and tried to make them see our side, it crumbled because we nuked them and were ready to invade the smoldering remains of the nation.

Fair enough