Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

He is Ahmadi so ironic you'd say that to him

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I was under the impression Islam had 25 prophets and no more. I’m curious—what’s different here? My apologies for being ignorant about this.

[Jolthig]

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I was under the impression Islam had 25 prophets and no more. I’m curious—what’s different here? My apologies for being ignorant about this.

Prophethood is continued in Ahmadiyya and we dont believe that breaks Mohammad's Seal of Prophethood as it simply means he was the greatest and best of Prophets who confirmed the truthfulness of all previous and future prophets. Only difference is that new prophets can only be subservient to Mhhammad and under his ummah

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

I was under the impression Islam had 25 prophets and no more. I’m curious—what’s different here? My apologies for being ignorant about this.

Prophethood is continued in Ahmadiyya and we dont believe that breaks Mohammad's Seal of Prophethood as it simply means he was the greatest and best of Prophets who confirmed the truthfulness of all previous and future prophets. Only difference is that new prophets can only be subservient to Mhhammad and under his ummah

Good to know. That’s certainly an interesting take on things I had no idea existed.

[Farnhamia]

In that Moderation thread where you were both arguing with me?

Yeah, that was the first guess when GC said something.

Did you see my apology though later on in that thread?

I did. You're fine.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Well, I made a separate thread for this subject anyway in moderation so I suppose back to islam!

How about something positive? What is the favorite element of Islam that everybody likes? For me it is the Tawhid, (the fear of Allah) as this provides a Muslim with great inspiration to reform oneself based off one ones own love and fear for Allah.

Well, I like Tawhid too. Since I believe in the existence of God or a powerful being to start with, I think I'm quite satisfied with Islam's definition of God.
Does this include the cultural aspect that comes into being with the spread of Islam? If so, then I also like architecture, such as the Alhambra of Spain or Isfahan.

[Jolthig]

Well, I made a separate thread for this subject anyway in moderation so I suppose back to islam!

How about something positive? What is the favorite element of Islam that everybody likes? For me it is the Tawhid, (the fear of Allah) as this provides a Muslim with great inspiration to reform oneself based off one ones own love and fear for Allah.

Well, I like Tawhid too. Since I believe in the existence of God or a powerful being to start with, I think I'm quite satisfied with Islam's definition of God.
Does this include the cultural aspect that comes into being with the spread of Islam? If so, then I also like architecture, such as the Alhambra of Spain or Isfahan.

Sure
Also governmental.

I always wonder and speculate that the concept of a welfare state was helped by Umar (ra).

[Al Mumtahanah]

Well, I like Tawhid too. Since I believe in the existence of God or a powerful being to start with, I think I'm quite satisfied with Islam's definition of God.
Does this include the cultural aspect that comes into being with the spread of Islam? If so, then I also like architecture, such as the Alhambra of Spain or Isfahan.

Sure
Also governmental.

I always wonder and speculate that the concept of a welfare state was helped by Umar (ra).

The Western version comes from Bismarck

[New Tetraland]

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Well, that was an interesting thing to wake up to from my lazy nap. Amin just got the banhammer again on his country. I don't see a specific reason why though, but I suspect it was his continued link dumpings, and careless advocacy of "extreme" shariah.

Given his repeated advocacy of radical Islam, good riddance. Hopefully NSG will be a bit more peaceful now for women and LGBT people.

[The Alma Mater]

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Well, that was an interesting thing to wake up to from my lazy nap. Amin just got the banhammer again on his country. I don't see a specific reason why though, but I suspect it was his continued link dumpings, and careless advocacy of "extreme" shariah.

Given his repeated advocacy of radical Islam, good riddance. Hopefully NSG will be a bit more peaceful now for women and LGBT people.

Amin is not radical, but pretty moderate compared to real-life muslims.

As to the question what I like about Islam: the refusal to waste food.

[Al Mumtahanah]

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Well, that was an interesting thing to wake up to from my lazy nap. Amin just got the banhammer again on his country. I don't see a specific reason why though, but I suspect it was his continued link dumpings, and careless advocacy of "extreme" shariah.

Given his repeated advocacy of radical Islam, good riddance. Hopefully NSG will be a bit more peaceful now for women and LGBT people.

Nothing he said was radical for any madhab afaik

[New Tetraland]

Given his repeated advocacy of radical Islam, good riddance. Hopefully NSG will be a bit more peaceful now for women and LGBT people.

Amin is not radical, but pretty moderate compared to real-life muslims.

As to the question what I like about Islam: the refusal to waste food.

If he was a moderate Muslim, then Islam just became ten times more terrifying and screwed up in my eyes.

[The Alma Mater]

Amin is not radical, but pretty moderate compared to real-life muslims.

As to the question what I like about Islam: the refusal to waste food.

If he was a moderate Muslim, then Islam just became ten times more terrifying and screwed up in my eyes.

Why ? If Amin is the scariest confrontation you ever had with a muslim, you obviously do not have many encounters with them IRL... so why fear ?

[Jolthig]

If he was a moderate Muslim, then Islam just became ten times more terrifying and screwed up in my eyes.

Why ? If Amin is the scariest confrontation you ever had with a muslim, you obviously do not have many encounters with them IRL... so why fear ?

Ah, now I see why you tend to dismiss me and others as random internet people... because of bad examples of muslims in real life. I am not offended btw but rather I'm stating I understand your objection to our credibility.

What country do you live in if you dont mind me asking?

[BettaMin]

If he was a moderate Muslim, then Islam just became ten times more terrifying and screwed up in my eyes.

Why ? If Amin is the scariest confrontation you ever had with a muslim, you obviously do not have many encounters with them IRL... so why fear ?

I was raised Catholic by a pretty Americanized Latino family, and I honestly find that Arab and Turkish Muslims are much more reliably accepting of me and culturally familiar to me than many other groups. My views definitely don't always align, but that tends to be a manifestation of individual context, not religion.

I encounter Muslims pretty frequently, and spent years hosting/living with Salafis, Sufis, and moderates - both as an exchange student and as a host for exchange students.

I'm not religious and have very few direct cultural ties to my heritage. Still, I see a lot of the values I identify with, like valuing my mother, reflected in multiple hadith - i.e. "Stay with your mother, for Paradise is at your mother's feet," and another hadith from Bukhari stating that the mother is three times as worthy of a child's companionship than the father, who comes next. Similarly, I identify with the strong emphasis on familial bonds that i've seen in my encounters with Muslims.

It's pretty easy to generalize every group's angry neckbeards though. I've been accosted by some more conservative Muslims saying I need to convert. One of them called the Bible a book of lies when I defensively called myself Catholic, which shows he's pretty ignorant about his own religion since Islam recognizes the Bible and Torah. I'm pretty sure I've been accosted by conservative Christians just as much. The trick is to understand when you're talking to one of the angry neckbeards of a group and why they're not a reflection of the whole group

[Jolthig]

Why ? If Amin is the scariest confrontation you ever had with a muslim, you obviously do not have many encounters with them IRL... so why fear ?

I was raised Catholic by a pretty Americanized Latino family, and I honestly find that Arab and Turkish Muslims are much more reliably accepting of me and culturally familiar to me than many other groups. My views definitely don't always align, but that tends to be a manifestation of individual context, not religion.

I encounter Muslims pretty frequently, and spent years hosting/living with Salafis, Sufis, and moderates - both as an exchange student and as a host for exchange students.

I'm not religious and have very few direct cultural ties to my heritage. Still, I see a lot of the values I identify with, like valuing my mother, reflected in multiple hadith - i.e. "Stay with your mother, for Paradise is at your mother's feet," and another hadith from Bukhari stating that the mother is three times as worthy of a child's companionship than the father, who comes next. Similarly, I identify with the strong emphasis on familial bonds that i've seen in my encounters with Muslims.

It's pretty easy to generalize every group's angry neckbeards though. I've been accosted by some more conservative Muslims saying I need to convert. One of them called the Bible a book of lies when I defensively called myself Catholic, which shows he's pretty ignorant about his own religion since Islam recognizes the Bible and Torah. I'm pretty sure I've been accosted by conservative Christians just as much. The trick is to understand when you're talking to one of the angry neckbeards of a group and why they're not a reflection of the whole group

This

[Turbofolkia]

Weirdly I don't see mod red text, or any issue/report being addressed of his DEAT on Moderation.

BUT, I think this thread shouldn't stay too much on his DEAT, we don't need a threadjack talking about Amin now do we.

Well, I made a separate thread for this subject anyway in moderation so I suppose back to islam!

How about something positive? What is the favorite element of Islam that everybody likes? For me it is the Tawhid, (the fear of Allah) as this provides a Muslim with great inspiration to reform oneself based off one ones own love and fear for Allah.

Islamic architecture is pretty cool. In particular I find Ottoman/Turkish-style mosques to be quite elegant. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul is well worth a visit.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Well, I made a separate thread for this subject anyway in moderation so I suppose back to islam!

How about something positive? What is the favorite element of Islam that everybody likes? For me it is the Tawhid, (the fear of Allah) as this provides a Muslim with great inspiration to reform oneself based off one ones own love and fear for Allah.

Islamic architecture is pretty cool. In particular I find Ottoman/Turkish-style mosques to be quite elegant. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul is well worth a visit.

I always think that in their first era, Ottoman architecture got this distinctive style, such as mosques, they usually have a large dome surrounded by smaller domes and minarets.
However, in the later era?
Dolmabahçe is quite French (or it's Austrian?), if I say so myself.

[Kowani]

Well, I made a separate thread for this subject anyway in moderation so I suppose back to islam!

How about something positive? What is the favorite element of Islam that everybody likes? For me it is the Tawhid, (the fear of Allah) as this provides a Muslim with great inspiration to reform oneself based off one ones own love and fear for Allah.

Islamic architecture is pretty cool. In particular I find Ottoman/Turkish-style mosques to be quite elegant. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul is well worth a visit.

I will admit regionalism in my answer, but the Cordoban style. Although the Alhambra remains the pinnacle, that’s Nazari, technically.

[Khataiy]

The Mosques of Iraq are the best.

[Samudera Darussalam]

Islamic architecture is pretty cool. In particular I find Ottoman/Turkish-style mosques to be quite elegant. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul is well worth a visit.

I will admit regionalism in my answer, but the Cordoban style. Although the Alhambra remains the pinnacle, that’s Nazari, technically.

Same! I also like the Andalusian style, especially Alhambra. It's quite the achievement.

[Kowani]

I will admit regionalism in my answer, but the Cordoban style. Although the Alhambra remains the pinnacle, that’s Nazari, technically.

Same! I also like the Andalusian style, especially Alhambra. It's quite the achievement.

The Alhambra is perhaps the greatest thing my City has given to the world.

[Turbofolkia]

Islamic architecture is pretty cool. In particular I find Ottoman/Turkish-style mosques to be quite elegant. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul is well worth a visit.

I always think that in their first era, Ottoman architecture got this distinctive style, such as mosques, they usually have a large dome surrounded by smaller domes and minarets.
However, in the later era?
Dolmabahçe is quite French (or it's Austrian?), if I say so myself.

Yeah, the Ottomans in the later era tried to copy what was in vogue in France and Austria and you can really see that in both the Dolmabahçe palace and mosque, which are quite opulent and extravagant. I much prefer structures like Topkapi Palace and the Blue and Suleymaniye mosques, which are still grand but much more refined and classy.

[Turbofolkia]

Islamic architecture is pretty cool. In particular I find Ottoman/Turkish-style mosques to be quite elegant. The Blue Mosque in Istanbul is well worth a visit.

I will admit regionalism in my answer, but the Cordoban style. Although the Alhambra remains the pinnacle, that’s Nazari, technically.

I've never been, but that and the Cordoba mosque seem like fascinating places to visit.

[Kowani]

I will admit regionalism in my answer, but the Cordoban style. Although the Alhambra remains the pinnacle, that’s Nazari, technically.

I've never been, but that and the Cordoba mosque seem like fascinating places to visit.

The Córdoba mosque is good, but since we built over parts of it, it loses a bit of its splendor. Even our addition to the Alhambra, the palace of Charles V has great acoustics m.

[Jolthig]

The man in my picture is Abdul Shakoor, an Ahmadi brother who was imprisoned a few years ago for selling literature. Now by the grace of Allah, he has been released. Recently, he met with President Trump to talk to him about ahmadi persecution in Pakistan.