Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Jolthig]

Me on GC coming back to Ahmadiyya Islam:

NARRE TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!

ISLAM AHMADIYYA! ZINDABAD!

HADHRAT MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA! SALLAHU ALAYHI WASSALAAM!

NARRE TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

[Greater Cesnica]

Are pious Muslims permitted by faith to lawfully carry a pistol on his/her person for self-defense or the defense of others?

I'm sure they can though it would be best to ask an Imam for a better answer.

I would assume such an action would be permitted since the Quran permits actions such as employing lethal force in the defense of yourself or others.

[Greater Cesnica]

Me on GC coming back to Ahmadiyya Islam:

NARRE TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!

ISLAM AHMADIYYA! ZINDABAD!

HADHRAT MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA! SALLAHU ALAYHI WASSALAAM!

NARRE TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

I need a community that will have my back no matter what, and a community that shares (mostly) my moral compass. That community is the Jamaat.

It's a really good arrangement considering they're fine with my PC Party membership

[Jolthig]

Me on GC coming back to Ahmadiyya Islam:

NARRE TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!

ISLAM AHMADIYYA! ZINDABAD!

HADHRAT MUHAMMAD MUSTAFA! SALLAHU ALAYHI WASSALAAM!

NARRE TAKBIR! ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

I need a community that will have my back no matter what, and a community that shares (mostly) my moral compass. That community is the Jamaat.

Inshallah. We let people judge for themselves as that's what islam is, freedom of conscience so as long as they aren't causing disorder in jammat or in public affairs.

[Al Mumtahanah]

As far as the feud with Qatar goes, I support Qatar. I have much more respect fot Qatar than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has become far too close to Israel and has turned against the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree the Shia are the enemies of Muslims and always have been extremist, I wouldn't takfir those brought up in it but their clergy are infidels. I strongly support aiding Yemen against the Shia but killing womem and children is gravely haram and cannot be justified or overlooked or excussd in any way. I don't support violence against the Ahmadiyya but I strongly oppose their teachings; I don't consider them dangerous like the Shia.

[Khataiy]

As far as the feud with Qatar goes, I support Qatar. I have much more respect fot Qatar than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has become far too close to Israel and has turned against the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree the Shia are the enemies of Muslims and always have been extremist, I wouldn't takfir those brought up in it but their clergy are infidels. I strongly support aiding Yemen against the Shia but killing womem and children is gravely haram and cannot be justified or overlooked or excussd in any way. I don't support violence against the Ahmadiyya but I strongly oppose their teachings; I don't consider them dangerous like the Shia.

Brother I hope you realize Qatar is in league with Iran, Saudi Arabia made several false allegations about Qatar but there is truth to their support for Iran. In Aleppo the siege was broken but Qatar ordered that certain factions surrender and retreat to Idlib.

See it for yourself
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/qa ... st-report/
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/host ... ian-sieges
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gulf ... SKCN1B32J6

I would also like to point out that the Muslim Brotherhood is an organization with mistaken beliefs, Qutb and Banna were men who loved Islam and wanted what was best for it, but they were not scholars their teachings should not be taken seriously, the Muslim Brotherhood's platform is corrupt and not from Islam.

The treatment of Qatar by Saudi Arabia is wrong I agree it will only push Qatar further towards Iran which is not the right direction, the Saudis even told the Qatari military they were no longer welcome to fight the Iranian backed Houthis in Yemen, in my personal view I would have obligated Qatar to send more forces to Yemen to fight the Houthis to prove they are opposed to Iran's agenda, but there is still evidence Qatar is collaborating to some degree with Iran simply to oppose Saudi Arabia, likewise their proxy war in Libya where Muslims are literally killing each other, and not too long ago in Ghouta in Syria Saudi supported factions would fight Qatari backed factions, this reflects the biggest issue in the Muslim world today, which is a lack of unity, and quickness to aggression.

[Yanitza]

As far as the feud with Qatar goes, I support Qatar. I have much more respect fot Qatar than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has become far too close to Israel and has turned against the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree the Shia are the enemies of Muslims and always have been extremist, I wouldn't takfir those brought up in it but their clergy are infidels. I strongly support aiding Yemen against the Shia but killing womem and children is gravely haram and cannot be justified or overlooked or excussd in any way. I don't support violence against the Ahmadiyya but I strongly oppose their teachings; I don't consider them dangerous like the Shia.

I don't think Saudi Arabia ever supported the Muslim Brotherhood. And the Yemeni civil war isnt just Shi'a vs Sunni, Shi'a fight for both the government and the Houthis and sunni groups such as the al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsular and IS-Yemen fight the government.

[Jolthig]

As far as the feud with Qatar goes, I support Qatar. I have much more respect fot Qatar than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has become far too close to Israel and has turned against the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree the Shia are the enemies of Muslims and always have been extremist, I wouldn't takfir those brought up in it but their clergy are infidels. I strongly support aiding Yemen against the Shia but killing womem and children is gravely haram and cannot be justified or overlooked or excussd in any way. I don't support violence against the Ahmadiyya but I strongly oppose their teachings; I don't consider them dangerous like the Shia.

I don't think Saudi Arabia ever supported the Muslim Brotherhood. And the Yemeni civil war isnt just Shi'a vs Sunni, Shi'a fight for both the government and the Houthis and sunni groups such as the al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsular and IS-Yemen fight the government.

The Yemeni Civil War is just another money making scheme for manufacturing companies to make their money through arms sales.

[Kowani]

I don't think Saudi Arabia ever supported the Muslim Brotherhood. And the Yemeni civil war isnt just Shi'a vs Sunni, Shi'a fight for both the government and the Houthis and sunni groups such as the al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsular and IS-Yemen fight the government.

The Yemeni Civil War is just another money making scheme for manufacturing companies to make their money through arms sales.

I thought that was obvious.

[Jolthig]

The Yemeni Civil War is just another money making scheme for manufacturing companies to make their money through arms sales.

I thought that was obvious.

Yeah, but Khaitaiy's whole us vs. them (which I just criticized the American concept as well in the other thread) is what will make the Ummah weak, and Muslims distracted by internal conflict and not focusing on the real issues.

[Kowani]

I thought that was obvious.

Yeah, but Khaitaiy's whole us vs. them (which I just criticized the American concept as well in the other thread) is what will make the Ummah weak, and Muslims distracted by internal conflict and not focusing on the real issues.

True. It’s easy to get distracted by old feuds and not deal with anything else.

[Yanitza]

I don't think Saudi Arabia ever supported the Muslim Brotherhood. And the Yemeni civil war isnt just Shi'a vs Sunni, Shi'a fight for both the government and the Houthis and sunni groups such as the al Qaeda in Arabian Peninsular and IS-Yemen fight the government.

The Yemeni Civil War is just another money making scheme for manufacturing companies to make their money through arms sales.

War profiteering has certainly excaberated the war on Yemen by dragging it and making much more deadly.

[Thuzbekistan]

Does anyone know a reliable English Translation of the Koran? I have one, but I want to make sure it's a reliable one.

[Jolthig]

Does anyone know a reliable English Translation of the Koran? I have one, but I want to make sure it's a reliable one.

Maulawi Sher Ali

https://www.alislam.org/quran/read/

[Jolthig]

Yeah, but Khaitaiy's whole us vs. them (which I just criticized the American concept as well in the other thread) is what will make the Ummah weak, and Muslims distracted by internal conflict and not focusing on the real issues.

True. It’s easy to get distracted by old feuds and not deal with anything else.

Yeah, I get that Shi'ites and Sunnis have been feuding for centuries but it's gotta stop, and that can only stop if they both accept Ahmadiyyat.

The Yemeni Civil War is just another money making scheme for manufacturing companies to make their money through arms sales.

War profiteering has certainly excaberated the war on Yemen by dragging it and making much more deadly.

Exactly.

[Thuzbekistan]

Does anyone know a reliable English Translation of the Koran? I have one, but I want to make sure it's a reliable one.

Maulawi Sher Ali

https://www.alislam.org/quran/read/

Preciate it, mate

[Jolthig]

Maulawi Sher Ali

https://www.alislam.org/quran/read/

Preciate it, mate

Forsho

[Greater Cesnica]

I'm at the Jalsa Salana rn

[Jolthig]

I'm at the Jalsa Salana rn

Mashallah.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>"We"
Aren't you a murtad?

Sweet I'm an apostate now. Wonderful. I am actually trying to rejoin the Muslim community as an Ahmadi, the sect which I was born to. Forgive me for attempting to establish a rapport with the other posters in this thread El-Amin ffs.

I didn't know asking a question was a bad thing.

Munaafiqoon who shouldn't have control over Makkah and Madina and should be subjected to this punishment

Why are they disbelievers? Have they associated partners with Allah? Have they prevented the Salat and Zakat? Do they curse the companions of the Prophet (SAW), does their flag say "No God" on it? They are not disbelievers therefore, not Munafiqoon, they have given Dawah, they have protected our sacred places, their universities for Islamic sciences and studies are the best on this earth, they are far from perfect but I will not call them disbelievers, their flag says "No God but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" they are standing with Ahlus Sunnah, they have laws of God in their land. This is a wrong mindset to be calling them disbelievers and calling for them to be crucified and treated like the true enemies of our Ummah in Iraq, Syria and Yemen that curse that call the companions of the Prophet and call them disbelievers and the worst of names.

I sincerely ask Allah to guide the leadership of the Saudi kingdom, and to safeguard the land of al-Haramein, and to bless its people, and to continue to allow the blessed nation to be a well of knowledge for future generations upon the Haqq. By Allah if it wasn't for the Saudi household I would hate to imagine the land today without them.

Point made. They're still evil and still deserve that punishment.

You've returned to Islam i take it?

Nah, we gotta convince the people of Saudi Arabia to convert to the true Islam, Ahmadiyya before they can change their government.

Yes. But you and I are apostates in the eyes of El-Amin

Don't speak for me.

Saudi Arabia should be balkanized into a few secular republics.
And Mecca should be a neutral city under UN protection, just in case.

No

*uck

Please don't curse akhi

Nice strawman please don't go there, I support Yemen's sovereignty from Iranian backed proxies that openly praise the man gassing of children in Syria, and I support Yemen's right to self-defense, and the cooperation between Arab and Islamic countries against the Houthis who I do sincerely believe are servants of Satan.

You're a sheep. If anything Iran is the rightful representative of Islam, not Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are in bed with America and Israel, and they DO NOT CARE ABOUT ISLAM ONE BIT. Not at ALL. They want money. Aramco earns nearly a billion dollars a day from exporting oil. They are not Islamic at all.

Iran doesn't represent Al-Islam. It's just as bad as Saudi.

I agree.

May Allah save all Ahmadis from persecution. Ameen.

I would like to give some insight as to one of the main reasons I have returned to Ahmadiyyat. My Christian girlfriend (yes, I'm dating. Yes, dating is frowned upon in Islam, and is considered haraam by many. No, I do not have shame. I have known her for more than half of my lifespan) has been accepted by the Ahmadi community in the city where I live, which is in Ontario, Canada. She is not discriminated against by anyone, and she is not frowned upon by anyone within the Ahmadi community here. Nearly everyone approves of my intentions with her, and supports her and I. That was the final straw. Not only did they let someone who converted from Ahmadiyyat return, they accepted the person I love. This is why the Ahmadiyyat interpretation of Islam is superior to all others- it is modern, reformed, yet sticks to the divine roots of Islam without the extremist elements other schools of Islamic thought comprise of.

It can't be modern and reformed and stick to tradition at the same time.

Are pious Muslims permitted by faith to lawfully carry a pistol on his/her person for self-defense or the defense of others?

Muslims in general are, yes. Concealed carry, tho.

As far as the feud with Qatar goes, I support Qatar. I have much more respect fot Qatar than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has become far too close to Israel and has turned against the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree the Shia are the enemies of Muslims and always have been extremist, I wouldn't takfir those brought up in it but their clergy are infidels. I strongly support aiding Yemen against the Shia but killing womem and children is gravely haram and cannot be justified or overlooked or excussd in any way. I don't support violence against the Ahmadiyya but I strongly oppose their teachings; I don't consider them dangerous like the Shia.

Mostly agreed, minus the "Shi'as are enemies and their scholars are [redacted]"

Does anyone know a reliable English Translation of the Koran? I have one, but I want to make sure it's a reliable one.

I use Sahih International usually. Actually, https://quran.com/ has a list of certain translations you can use

[Jolthig]

Sweet I'm an apostate now. Wonderful. I am actually trying to rejoin the Muslim community as an Ahmadi, the sect which I was born to. Forgive me for attempting to establish a rapport with the other posters in this thread El-Amin ffs.

I didn't know asking a question was a bad thing.

Why are they disbelievers? Have they associated partners with Allah? Have they prevented the Salat and Zakat? Do they curse the companions of the Prophet (SAW), does their flag say "No God" on it? They are not disbelievers therefore, not Munafiqoon, they have given Dawah, they have protected our sacred places, their universities for Islamic sciences and studies are the best on this earth, they are far from perfect but I will not call them disbelievers, their flag says "No God but Allah, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah" they are standing with Ahlus Sunnah, they have laws of God in their land. This is a wrong mindset to be calling them disbelievers and calling for them to be crucified and treated like the true enemies of our Ummah in Iraq, Syria and Yemen that curse that call the companions of the Prophet and call them disbelievers and the worst of names.

I sincerely ask Allah to guide the leadership of the Saudi kingdom, and to safeguard the land of al-Haramein, and to bless its people, and to continue to allow the blessed nation to be a well of knowledge for future generations upon the Haqq. By Allah if it wasn't for the Saudi household I would hate to imagine the land today without them.

Point made. They're still evil and still deserve that punishment.

Yes. But you and I are apostates in the eyes of El-Amin

Don't speak for me.

Saudi Arabia should be balkanized into a few secular republics.
And Mecca should be a neutral city under UN protection, just in case.

No

*uck

Please don't curse akhi

You're a sheep. If anything Iran is the rightful representative of Islam, not Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are in bed with America and Israel, and they DO NOT CARE ABOUT ISLAM ONE BIT. Not at ALL. They want money. Aramco earns nearly a billion dollars a day from exporting oil. They are not Islamic at all.

Iran doesn't represent Al-Islam. It's just as bad as Saudi.

I would like to give some insight as to one of the main reasons I have returned to Ahmadiyyat. My Christian girlfriend (yes, I'm dating. Yes, dating is frowned upon in Islam, and is considered haraam by many. No, I do not have shame. I have known her for more than half of my lifespan) has been accepted by the Ahmadi community in the city where I live, which is in Ontario, Canada. She is not discriminated against by anyone, and she is not frowned upon by anyone within the Ahmadi community here. Nearly everyone approves of my intentions with her, and supports her and I. That was the final straw. Not only did they let someone who converted from Ahmadiyyat return, they accepted the person I love. This is why the Ahmadiyyat interpretation of Islam is superior to all others- it is modern, reformed, yet sticks to the divine roots of Islam without the extremist elements other schools of Islamic thought comprise of.

It can't be modern and reformed and stick to tradition at the same time.

Are pious Muslims permitted by faith to lawfully carry a pistol on his/her person for self-defense or the defense of others?

Muslims in general are, yes. Concealed carry, tho.

As far as the feud with Qatar goes, I support Qatar. I have much more respect fot Qatar than Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia has become far too close to Israel and has turned against the Muslim Brotherhood. I agree the Shia are the enemies of Muslims and always have been extremist, I wouldn't takfir those brought up in it but their clergy are infidels. I strongly support aiding Yemen against the Shia but killing womem and children is gravely haram and cannot be justified or overlooked or excussd in any way. I don't support violence against the Ahmadiyya but I strongly oppose their teachings; I don't consider them dangerous like the Shia.

Mostly agreed, minus the "Shi'as are enemies and their scholars are [redacted]"

Does anyone know a reliable English Translation of the Koran? I have one, but I want to make sure it's a reliable one.

I use Sahih International usually. Actually, https://quran.com/ has a list of certain translations you can use

I already corrected him last night, brother.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I didn't know asking a question was a bad thing.

Point made. They're still evil and still deserve that punishment.

Don't speak for me.

No

Please don't curse akhi

Iran doesn't represent Al-Islam. It's just as bad as Saudi.

It can't be modern and reformed and stick to tradition at the same time.

Muslims in general are, yes. Concealed carry, tho.

Mostly agreed, minus the "Shi'as are enemies and their scholars are [redacted]"

I use Sahih International usually. Actually, https://quran.com/ has a list of certain translations you can use

I already corrected him last night, brother.

Who are you referring to?

[Jolthig]

I already corrected him last night, brother.

Who are you referring to?

Greater Cesnica when he accused you of calling us apostates, I said Amin recognized me as a muslim this entire time since I joined IDT almost two years ago

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Who are you referring to?

Greater Cesnica when he accused you of calling us apostates, I said Amin recognized me as a muslim this entire time since I joined IDT almost two years ago

Oh yeah, jazakallah khairan

[Jolthig]

Keep this verse in mind, bro. Amin when people shout at you on here:

Quran, chapter 3, Al-e-Imran verse 135 (134 in other translations):

Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and those who suppress anger and pardon men; and Allah loves those who do good