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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni
250
44%
Salafi
17
3%
Shi'a
48
8%
Qur'ani
13
2%
Ahmadi
9
2%
IbaaDi
10
2%
Sufi (either Sunni or Shi'a)
30
5%
Non-Denominational
87
15%
Other
102
18%
 
Total votes : 566

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Postby Jolthig » Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:57 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Al Mumtahanah wrote:We have the Ulwma for a reason.

Tbh both of y'all have a point. Jolthig is correct in that we shouldn't constantly judge our brothers and sisters every single time they sin, but Ard Al Islam (and Al Mumtahanah) are correct in that when someone just keeps doing something or believes something that puts them at severe odds with Al-Islam, their imaan is in question.

It's when they overdo something we should point out their error.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:46 pm

Painisia wrote:Since nearly all of the Muslim posters here on RWDT have been summoned, what do you all think of the 1979 Grand Mosque seizure?
Was Muhammad Abdullah al-Qahtani just an opportunistic lunatic or was there some truth to the al-Ikwan`s claims about a supposed Mahdi?

He was just a crazed fanatic.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:14 pm

Painisia wrote:Since nearly all of the Muslim posters here on RWDT have been summoned, what do you all think of the 1979 Grand Mosque seizure?
Was Muhammad Abdullah al-Qahtani just an opportunistic lunatic or was there some truth to the al-Ikwan`s claims about a supposed Mahdi?

The dude is a fraud and put the Ka'aba in danger for no reason. The Mahdi has not come yet. May Allah SWT punish him and his followers if they haven't repented. Aameen.
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Postby Negarakita » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:37 pm

My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:50 pm

Negarakita wrote:My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun

Highs and lows can happen.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:53 pm

Honestly had not Ahmadiyya existed, I'd probably be a staunch atheist right now because I have no faith in the rest of the 73 islamic sects to be frank. Though some sects I do admire for their piety.
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Postby Negarakita » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:55 pm

It's a wierd feeling tho cos I'm not going atheistic, I still firmly believe in God. I'm just drifting closer to unitarianism and more passive, internalized worship.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:56 pm

Negarakita wrote:It's a wierd feeling tho cos I'm not going atheistic, I still firmly believe in God. I'm just drifting closer to unitarianism and more passive, internalized worship.

Unitarian universalism?

If so, before I entered Islam, I had a UUist phase.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:56 pm

Negarakita wrote:My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun

Try listening to Mesut Kurtis and Mufti Menk.
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Negarakita » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:59 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Negarakita wrote:It's a wierd feeling tho cos I'm not going atheistic, I still firmly believe in God. I'm just drifting closer to unitarianism and more passive, internalized worship.

Unitarian universalism?

If so, before I entered Islam, I had a UUist phase.

Yeah pretty much
Al Mumtahanah wrote:
Negarakita wrote:My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun

Try listening to Mesut Kurtis and Mufti Menk.

Sami Yusuf > Mesut Kurtis, altho he's still pretty good. Mufti menk I've listened to loads of his stuff and it's pretty good, but still I'm just not sure.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:59 pm

Jolthig wrote:Honestly had not Ahmadiyya existed, I'd probably be a staunch atheist right now because I have no faith in the rest of the 73 islamic sects to be frank. Though some sects I do admire for their piety.

The sect Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) belonged to didn't exist until over a thousands years after he died?
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:03 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Unitarian universalism?

If so, before I entered Islam, I had a UUist phase.

Yeah pretty much
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Try listening to Mesut Kurtis and Mufti Menk.

Sami Yusuf > Mesut Kurtis, altho he's still pretty good. Mufti menk I've listened to loads of his stuff and it's pretty good, but still I'm just not sure.

Ah. We ahmadis often have interfaith dialogue with them.

My local mosque interacts with a UUist church from Michigan. They come to learn about us during our interfaith events.
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Postby Al Mumtahanah » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:06 pm

Negarakita wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Unitarian universalism?

If so, before I entered Islam, I had a UUist phase.

Yeah pretty much
Al Mumtahanah wrote:Try listening to Mesut Kurtis and Mufti Menk.

Sami Yusuf > Mesut Kurtis, altho he's still pretty good. Mufti menk I've listened to loads of his stuff and it's pretty good, but still I'm just not sure.

Read The Revival of the Religious Sciences
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Rojava Free State wrote:How about if I don't wanna learn about Islam I shouldn't have to?

Makes about as much sense as letting kids decide that if they don't wanna eat then they shouldn't have to.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:00 pm

Negarakita wrote:My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun

1: Don't reveal your sins
2: It's ok, never give up hope on Allah SWT. Personally when I'm slipping in my Deen I feel like listening to Islamic music helps
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:07 am

Joke (not made by me):

How does a Muslim Close a Door?!

Islams it.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:39 pm

Jolthig wrote:Joke (not made by me):

How does a Muslim Close a Door?!

Islams it.


Here's another one: how did Moses make his coffee?

Hebrew it.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:27 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Joke (not made by me):

How does a Muslim Close a Door?!

Islams it.


Here's another one: how did Moses make his coffee?

Hebrew it.

That's a good one. I seen it before.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Thu Jul 04, 2019 3:11 am

Jolthig wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Here's another one: how did Moses make his coffee?

Hebrew it.

That's a good one. I seen it before.


Let's turn this thread to Halal Humour V2.0.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:00 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Jolthig wrote:That's a good one. I seen it before.


Let's turn this thread to Halal Humour V2.0.

For sure
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Postby Cappuccina » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:29 am

Negarakita wrote:My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun

It happens brother, I have my own highs and lows. It is usually during one's lows that their faith grows. Imo, doubt is healthy, it opens one's mind to new ways of seeing scripture and our Lord (swt). Without doubt you become nothing more than a zealot, and becoming dogmatic, dogmatism is the death of one's faith as surely as atheism.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:33 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Negarakita wrote:My iman has been so low lately I've stopped praying and started doubting that Islam is the way so that's fun

It happens brother, I have my own highs and lows. It is usually during one's lows that their faith grows. Imo, doubt is healthy, it opens one's mind to new ways of seeing scripture and our Lord (swt). Without doubt you become nothing more than a zealot, and becoming dogmatic, dogmatism is the death of one's faith as surely as atheism.

Exactly. It seems every time I have doubts, they eventually get answered by the Quran, hadith, or books of the founder of Ahmadiyya.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:03 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Why are two consenting adults criminals for having sex?

Because consenting to do something isn't the only measure of whether something is Halaal in Al-Islam. Allah SWT ga es us certain commands that we should follow. So doing something "just because" as a very bad excuse for disobeying Allah SWT.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:05 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Why are two consenting adults criminals for having sex?

Because consenting to do something isn't the only measure of whether something is Halaal in Al-Islam. Allah SWT ga es us certain commands that we should follow. So doing something "just because" as a very bad excuse for disobeying Allah SWT.

Why should you follow it? It's illogical.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:06 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Because consenting to do something isn't the only measure of whether something is Halaal in Al-Islam. Allah SWT ga es us certain commands that we should follow. So doing something "just because" as a very bad excuse for disobeying Allah SWT.

Why should you follow it? It's illogical.

To you. Fortunately I have more grounded morals than just doing something because I like it.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Why should you follow it? It's illogical.

To you. Fortunately I have more grounded morals than just doing something because I like it.

Beating two consenting adults likely to death for having sex is logical and moral to you?
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