There was no sarcasm on my part. I like the guy, I'd rather he stuck around.
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by Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:39 pm
by Samudera Darussalam » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:42 pm
Jolthig wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic, during Ramadan my Community inaugurated a new mosque at a place known as Islamabad by London, UK. I've been to that place personally while it was under construction and it's a nice ranch. Reminds me of northern Wisconsin Haha. Beautiful place and masjid.
by Zizou » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:47 pm
Jolthig wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic, during Ramadan my Community inaugurated a new mosque at a place known as Islamabad by London, UK. I've been to that place personally while it was under construction and it's a nice ranch. Reminds me of northern Wisconsin Haha. Beautiful place and masjid.
Parxland wrote:It might somehow give me STDs through the computer screen with how often you hop between different groups of people.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:49 pm
Zizou wrote:Jolthig wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic, during Ramadan my Community inaugurated a new mosque at a place known as Islamabad by London, UK. I've been to that place personally while it was under construction and it's a nice ranch. Reminds me of northern Wisconsin Haha. Beautiful place and masjid.
Wait, just to clarify, the masjid named Islamabad, not constructed there right? Alhamdulilah either way though, nice to see more Ahmadi masjids being built!
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Zizou » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:51 pm
Parxland wrote:It might somehow give me STDs through the computer screen with how often you hop between different groups of people.
by Jolthig » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:52 pm
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Jolthig wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic, during Ramadan my Community inaugurated a new mosque at a place known as Islamabad by London, UK. I've been to that place personally while it was under construction and it's a nice ranch. Reminds me of northern Wisconsin Haha. Beautiful place and masjid.
Good grace, "Islamabad"?
But other than that, it's nice to hear. I've never been to a mosque inaguration eventhough I live in a Muslim-majority region, but I'm willing to bet that the event is exciting, from what I have read about mosque's inaguration in Tatarstan.
Zizou wrote:Jolthig wrote:Anyway, to get back on topic, during Ramadan my Community inaugurated a new mosque at a place known as Islamabad by London, UK. I've been to that place personally while it was under construction and it's a nice ranch. Reminds me of northern Wisconsin Haha. Beautiful place and masjid.
Wait, just to clarify, the masjid named Islamabad, not constructed there right? Alhamdulilah either way though, nice to see more Ahmadi masjids being built!
by Zizou » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:53 pm
Jolthig wrote:Samudera Darussalam wrote:Good grace, "Islamabad"?
But other than that, it's nice to hear. I've never been to a mosque inaguration eventhough I live in a Muslim-majority region, but I'm willing to bet that the event is exciting, from what I have read about mosque's inaguration in Tatarstan.
Yep. It's the name of a ranch near the outskirts of London or something like that.Zizou wrote:Wait, just to clarify, the masjid named Islamabad, not constructed there right? Alhamdulilah either way though, nice to see more Ahmadi masjids being built!
It's the name of a ranch by London near its outskirts. No not the capital of Pakistan.
Parxland wrote:It might somehow give me STDs through the computer screen with how often you hop between different groups of people.
by Samudera Darussalam » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:03 pm
by Jolthig » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:13 pm
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Anyway, uh, it kinds of directed to Jolthig and other reverts, but if others want to response, it's cool.
So, say that you want to convert (or get re-converted) to Islam. We all know that the process most likely involves visiting a nearby mosque, meeting the available imams or maybe others, and then reciting the Shahada (from what I read). What if that you don't want to do that for some reasons (like feeling shy around many people), but you still want to convert to the religion? What can be done?
by Samudera Darussalam » Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:36 pm
Jolthig wrote:Not sure? I think one can be in contact with someone to talk about Islam. But they should be confident enough to do so unless if their circumstances does not permit them.
by Jolthig » Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:02 pm
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Jolthig wrote:Not sure? I think one can be in contact with someone to talk about Islam. But they should be confident enough to do so unless if their circumstances does not permit them.
I can't say about the people who previously aren't Muslims, but maybe it works, too.
However, what if the person in question was a Muslim before and want to convert back? If they are previously a practicing one, don't they at least know how to recite the Shahada (and its meaning) without guidance? (Unless, of couse, they have forgotten it)
Can the conversion be done by the person themselves, by reciting the Shahada alone with the intent of reconverting back to Islam?
by A m e n r i a » Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:26 pm
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Anyway, uh, it kinds of directed to Jolthig and other reverts, but if others want to response, it's cool.
So, say that you want to convert (or get re-converted) to Islam. We all know that the process most likely involves visiting a nearby mosque, meeting the available imams or maybe others, and then reciting the Shahada (from what I read). What if that you don't want to do that for some reasons (like feeling shy around many people), but you still want to convert to the religion? What can be done?
by Jolthig » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:04 pm
by Samudera Darussalam » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:09 pm
Jolthig wrote:Salaam brothers. I just got a second job so I'm letting you all know I'll be less active now. However alhamdulilah its worth a couple muslims who work there
A m e n r i a wrote:
Conversions in Changchun happen between an imam and a person who wants to convert. It's quite private,since there's hardly ever anyone else at the mosque.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:37 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:54 pm
Hammer Britannia wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: Did you read the links?
2: There's a reason I posted in that thread
I did read it, and one of the first things I saw in each was "slave"
By your own godd*mn links, concubines were slaves. Concubines were not free women who could go out and do their own thing, no they had to serve their master. I don't give two d*mns about "Well, Islam gave slaves rights." You don't keep slaves. That is wrong on so many levels.
Hammer Britannia wrote:In other words: If you want a concubine, you need a slave. And by the gods above, you should not keep slaves
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:24 pm
Diopolis wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Something weird I noticed and wanted to point out earlier:
Why was only that stuff pointed out? There's a whole myriad of things Al-Islam allows that isn't Haraam, so why point out concubinage and lashing zaaniyoon (people who commit illegal sexual intercourse)?
I was going to sit this round out, but zaaniyoon is such an inherently fun word that I have to point out that since (islamic)concubinage appears to be slavery, and having sex with one's own slaves is inherently rape, all muslims who keep concubines should be considered zaaniyoon.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Diopolis » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:32 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Diopolis wrote:I was going to sit this round out, but zaaniyoon is such an inherently fun word that I have to point out that since (islamic)concubinage appears to be slavery, and having sex with one's own slaves is inherently rape, all muslims who keep concubines should be considered zaaniyoon.
Except it's not rape. Muslims cannot rape their slsves, that's Haraam and punishable with these punishments:
https://sunnah.com/urn/414630
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/89/10
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:34 pm
Diopolis wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Except it's not rape. Muslims cannot rape their slsves, that's Haraam and punishable with these punishments:
https://sunnah.com/urn/414630
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/89/10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_v ... oncubinage
[quote=wiki] A Muslim slaveholder was entitled by law to the sexual enjoyment of his slave women.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Kowani » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:53 pm
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Diopolis wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_v ... oncubinage
[quote=wiki] A Muslim slaveholder was entitled by law to the sexual enjoyment of his slave women.
There's multiple Islamic sources on this topic. Wiki isn't really a reliable source. On top of that, they don't show where Lewis got his source from to say that. On top of that, I'm gonna put my trust in an Islamic scholar of law over a historian. I'm gonna pit my trust in people who literally witness how the law worked first hand over someone who lived around 1400 years after it was implemented.
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:03 pm
Kowani wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:There's multiple Islamic sources on this topic. Wiki isn't really a reliable source. On top of that, they don't show where Lewis got his source from to say that. On top of that, I'm gonna put my trust in an Islamic scholar of law over a historian. I'm gonna pit my trust in people who literally witness how the law worked first hand over someone who lived around 1400 years after it was implemented.
Except, you know, sex with slaves is rape by definition.
Kowani wrote:You literally posted a link on this.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Diarcesia » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:05 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:06 pm
Diarcesia wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Except it isn't. A slave can't be forced to have sex with his/her master.
Where?
And this is where the manner of answering is problematic. On one hand, it is technically correct, on the other, it can be read as a tacit approval of sex on slaves. In the previous topic, we have established that slavery is discouraged and Islam would rather have you not have them. Did I recall it correctly?
Slavery in Al-Islam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wic1CdJKufY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVo_-j2THE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1ubtoL95c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d6sZJRNYQ
https://islamqa.info/en/94840
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition
https://www.al-islam.org/slavery-from-i ... ks-slavery
http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/1174 ... of-slavery
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition
https://abuaminaelias.com/sexual-consen ... -in-islam/
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Kowani » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:57 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:59 pm
Kowani wrote:We seem to have hit a brick wall. So, I’ll make it clear. If a master asks a slave to have sex, even if the slave consents, that is still rape.
Kowani wrote:Oh, no, we’re not doing this again.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
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