Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[Jolthig]

I believe some western economics takes inspiration from Islamic economics. Especially on helping the poor as well as welfare I believe.

It's said that Ibn Khaldun was a forefather to capitalism.

Interesting.

[Technocratic Uganda]

Indeed there are also no prohibitions on how wealthy one may be such an example is that of Uthman ibn Affan (RA) who was blessed with wealth and business knowledge.

I believe some western economics takes inspiration from Islamic economics. Especially on helping the poor as well as welfare I believe.

islamic economics are not far from the original national socialist economic programme

[Jolthig]

Regarding music, the Ahmadiyya stance is I believe that as long as the music doesnt have vulgarity, sexual themes, or anything that may encourage one to commit vice/unislamic things, it shouldn't be listened to. Same with movies.

[Jolthig]

I believe some western economics takes inspiration from Islamic economics. Especially on helping the poor as well as welfare I believe.

islamic economics are not far from the original national socialist economic programme

Yeah. I will say despite all the bad deeds of Nazi Germany, they did have an excellent economic system. I say the same thing about fascist corporatism.

[Jolthig]

What desires are you trying to fix up in particular?

I'm not a Muslim but fasting is pretty good for self control. I've fixed up my diet and some other bad habits with short water fasts (at least short enough that I don't require electrolyte supplementation) A lot of rules in Islam make a lot of sense actually, if Islam is actually God's instructions to humanity he did a fantastic job. Not sure about the music stuff and circumcision isn't the purification it's made out to be if you wash your dong but Islam has rules for diet, family dynamics, cleanliness, good time management and physical health pretty spot on for something that came out of a mad max desert in the 7th century.

As a Muslim he shouldn't mention it, or even mention he has self-control issues as it is considered Riyaa and it is also not advised to speak of ones vices, or their good deeds (Riyaa).

I do believe you are in the correct. Though, I believe for good deeds, so as long as one is not doing it to be seen of men, it's highly not encouraged for a Muslim to brag about their good deeds as it shows arrogance and pride. But if it's for the sake of Allah and preaching Islam, then it's okay.

[Technocratic Uganda]

islamic economics are not far from the original national socialist economic programme

Yeah. I will say despite all the bad deeds of Nazi Germany, they did have an excellent economic system. I say the same thing about fascist corporatism.

the final hurdle is realising that all their "bad deeds" were done for valid reasons and that pretty much everyone who has been opposed to the Jews throughout history have been good guys or at least not exceptionally bad salt of the Earth people. Also, corner somebody and they will be forced to lash out.

To quote Hitler's final speech:

"If Germany today were the Germany envisaged by the Versailles Treaty, Europe would long since have been swept away by the hurricane from Central Asia. It is hardly necessary to argue with those eternal blockheads who maintain that an unarmed Germany would, owing to its impotence, not have become the victim of this Jewish international world plot. Such reasoning would amount to a reversal of all laws of nature.

When was a helpless goose ever not eaten by the fox because she was constitutionally incapable of harboring aggressive designs? And when has a wolf ever reformed and become a pacifist because sheep do not wear armor? If there are still bourgeois states who earnestly believe this, that only proves how necessary it was to do away with an era that by its educational system managed to cultivate and maintain such notions, nay, even granted them political influence."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah. I will say despite all the bad deeds of Nazi Germany, they did have an excellent economic system. I say the same thing about fascist corporatism.

the final hurdle is realising that all their "bad deeds" were done for valid reasons and that pretty much everyone who has been opposed to the Jews throughout history have been good guys

You need help. Because massacring and oppressing people does not in any way make you a good guy.

[Technocratic Uganda]

the final hurdle is realising that all their "bad deeds" were done for valid reasons and that pretty much everyone who has been opposed to the Jews throughout history have been good guys

You need help. Because massacring and oppressing people does not in any way make you a good guy.

Look what Israel is doing to you and look at what its diaspora is doing to us. Look at how many faces of the diaspora in America's legislature helped bring the USA into the Middle East, ruining Muslim countries and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Anglo-Saxon, African-American and Mestizo culturally-Christian American gentile footsoldiers. It's not a coincidence when such a small portion of the population in every country outside of Israel is behind so much. Go on wikipedia and check out the list of richest people in every Western country, then go to their personal pages and look at their heritage. They might be better than us at business, yada yada, we're not the mustard race but they're still using their political, scientific and business acumen to drive us into the ground. They're unleashing the same flagrant disregard for human life, decency and dignity upon your people as well, just in different ways. As an Anglo-Saxon I am sorry for what we did but there might be a small chance we can still right things.

[Zizou]

Yeah. I will say despite all the bad deeds of Nazi Germany, they did have an excellent economic system. I say the same thing about fascist corporatism.

the final hurdle is realising that all their "bad deeds" were done for valid reasons and that pretty much everyone who has been opposed to the Jews throughout history have been good guys or at least not exceptionally bad salt of the Earth people. Also, corner somebody and they will be forced to lash out.

To quote Hitler's final speech:

"If Germany today were the Germany envisaged by the Versailles Treaty, Europe would long since have been swept away by the hurricane from Central Asia. It is hardly necessary to argue with those eternal blockheads who maintain that an unarmed Germany would, owing to its impotence, not have become the victim of this Jewish international world plot. Such reasoning would amount to a reversal of all laws of nature.

When was a helpless goose ever not eaten by the fox because she was constitutionally incapable of harboring aggressive designs? And when has a wolf ever reformed and become a pacifist because sheep do not wear armor? If there are still bourgeois states who earnestly believe this, that only proves how necessary it was to do away with an era that by its educational system managed to cultivate and maintain such notions, nay, even granted them political influence."

Regardless of whether or not you're opposed to a certain religion, think it's bad, or don't want it practiced, that doesn't mean you go commit mass genocide against people. The Holocaust is absolutely unjustifiable, and it baffles me as to why people support such a thing in this day and age.

[Zizou]

You need help. Because massacring and oppressing people does not in any way make you a good guy.

Look what Israel is doing to you and look at what its diaspora is doing to us. Look at how many faces of the diaspora in America's legislature helped bring the USA into the Middle East, ruining Muslim countries and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Anglo-Saxon, African-American and Mestizo culturally-Christian American gentile footsoldiers. It's not a coincidence when such a small portion of the population in every country outside of Israel is behind so much. Go on wikipedia and check out the list of richest people in every Western country, then go to their personal pages and look at their heritage. They might be better than us at business, yada yada, we're not the mustard race but they're still using their political, scientific and business acumen to drive us into the ground. They're unleashing the same flagrant disregard for human life, decency and dignity upon your people as well, just in different ways. As an Anglo-Saxon I am sorry for what we did but there might be a small chance we can still right things.

The problem is, just as Saudi Arabia does not represent what all Muslims think, Israel does not represent what all Jews think. Criticism anyone has of the Israeli state should not be applied to Jewish people as a whole. Also, just because someone is more business savvy than you or I, and gets richer off of it, does not mean that they're evil, or as you put it, "trying to drive us into the ground."

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You need help. Because massacring and oppressing people does not in any way make you a good guy.

Look what Israel is doing to you

I'm not Palestinian nordo I live in Palestine. So the zionist state isn't doing anything physically to me.

and look at what its diaspora is doing to us.

Diaspora?

Look at how many faces of the diaspora in America's legislature helped bring the USA into the Middle East, ruining Muslim countries and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Anglo-Saxon, African-American and Mestizo culturally-Christian American gentile footsoldiers. It's not a coincidence when such a small portion of the population in every country outside of Israel is behind so much. Go on wikipedia and check out the list of richest people in every Western country, then go to their personal pages and look at their heritage. They might be better than us at business, yada yada, we're not the mustard race but they're still using their political, scientific and business acumen to drive us into the ground. They're unleashing the same flagrant disregard for human life, decency and dignity upon your people as well, just in different ways. As an Anglo-Saxon I am sorry for what we did but there might be a small chance we can still right things.

So you're a judeophobe.

[Technocratic Uganda]

the final hurdle is realising that all their "bad deeds" were done for valid reasons and that pretty much everyone who has been opposed to the Jews throughout history have been good guys or at least not exceptionally bad salt of the Earth people. Also, corner somebody and they will be forced to lash out.

To quote Hitler's final speech:

"If Germany today were the Germany envisaged by the Versailles Treaty, Europe would long since have been swept away by the hurricane from Central Asia. It is hardly necessary to argue with those eternal blockheads who maintain that an unarmed Germany would, owing to its impotence, not have become the victim of this Jewish international world plot. Such reasoning would amount to a reversal of all laws of nature.

When was a helpless goose ever not eaten by the fox because she was constitutionally incapable of harboring aggressive designs? And when has a wolf ever reformed and become a pacifist because sheep do not wear armor? If there are still bourgeois states who earnestly believe this, that only proves how necessary it was to do away with an era that by its educational system managed to cultivate and maintain such notions, nay, even granted them political influence."

Regardless of whether or not you're opposed to a certain religion, think it's bad, or don't want it practiced, that doesn't mean you go commit mass genocide against people. The Holocaust is absolutely unjustifiable, and it baffles me as to why people support such a thing in this day and age.

Lethal force in self defence on a national scale
What is the Islamic ruling on self defence?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Regardless of whether or not you're opposed to a certain religion, think it's bad, or don't want it practiced, that doesn't mean you go commit mass genocide against people. The Holocaust is absolutely unjustifiable, and it baffles me as to why people support such a thing in this day and age.

Lethal force in self defence on a national scale
What is the Islamic ruling on self defence?

Stop bringing Al-Islam into this, the holocaust has nothing to do with Al-Islam.

[Technocratic Uganda]

Lethal force in self defence on a national scale
What is the Islamic ruling on self defence?

Stop bringing Al-Islam into this, the holocaust has nothing to do with Al-Islam.

The Holocaust was not an unislamic action though.

[Zizou]

Stop bringing Al-Islam into this, the holocaust has nothing to do with Al-Islam.

The Holocaust was not an unislamic action though.

It absolutely was. Jews are considered people of the book, along with Christians and Muslims.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Stop bringing Al-Islam into this, the holocaust has nothing to do with Al-Islam.

The Holocaust was not an unislamic action though.

https://sunnah.com/urn/409900

[Technocratic Uganda]

The Holocaust was not an unislamic action though.

https://sunnah.com/urn/409900

What if the elderly, the women and the children are part of something that is attacking you?

[A m e n r i a]

https://sunnah.com/urn/409900

What if the elderly, the women and the children are part of something that is attacking you?

The elderly I can understand. The child tho?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://sunnah.com/urn/409900

What if the elderly, the women and the children are part of something that is attacking you?

Except the holocaust victims weren't. It depends on what you mean by saying "part of something" anyway.

[Jolthig]

the final hurdle is realising that all their "bad deeds" were done for valid reasons and that pretty much everyone who has been opposed to the Jews throughout history have been good guys

You need help. Because massacring and oppressing people does not in any way make you a good guy.

^This

[Technocratic Uganda]

What if the elderly, the women and the children are part of something that is attacking you?

The elderly I can understand. The child tho?

The enemy is making more of itself in order to attack you in the future.
The children already have allegiance to the group which, as a diaspora, is at odds with you, and will attack you no matter what with financial trickery, predatory banking, usury, promotion of Bolshevism, subversion of healthy families and communities, etc. The children are a front to get you in the future if they aren't stopped from doing so

[Jolthig]

You need help. Because massacring and oppressing people does not in any way make you a good guy.

Look what Israel is doing to you and look at what its diaspora is doing to us. Look at how many faces of the diaspora in America's legislature helped bring the USA into the Middle East, ruining Muslim countries and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Anglo-Saxon, African-American and Mestizo culturally-Christian American gentile footsoldiers. It's not a coincidence when such a small portion of the population in every country outside of Israel is behind so much. Go on wikipedia and check out the list of richest people in every Western country, then go to their personal pages and look at their heritage. They might be better than us at business, yada yada, we're not the mustard race but they're still using their political, scientific and business acumen to drive us into the ground. They're unleashing the same flagrant disregard for human life, decency and dignity upon your people as well, just in different ways. As an Anglo-Saxon I am sorry for what we did but there might be a small chance we can still right things.

I'm sorry but this is a red herring fallacy that has been made because you can't defend a single action that Hitler inhumanely committed.

Whataboutism isn't a very good argument. You should've focused on your defense of hitler and explained to us why his actions are justified.

But then again, this would've led to a threadjack, and the mods may intervene soon.

[Zizou]

https://sunnah.com/urn/409900

What if the elderly, the women and the children are part of something that is attacking you?

Where did you see the word "women" in this Hadith? The reason the elderly and children are marked as non-combats as that they're literally unable to put up a fair fight. An old man or a young child against a trained warrior will result in the former losing every single time. Second of all, "self-defense" is not an excuse for the Holocaust. Self-defense is done on a small scale, not against an entire race, and unless Jews were assaulting people in the streets (which still does not allow genocide, only action against the specific person or group of people actively engaged in combat) self-defense is not even applicable in the first place.

[Technocratic Uganda]

Look what Israel is doing to you and look at what its diaspora is doing to us. Look at how many faces of the diaspora in America's legislature helped bring the USA into the Middle East, ruining Muslim countries and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims with Anglo-Saxon, African-American and Mestizo culturally-Christian American gentile footsoldiers. It's not a coincidence when such a small portion of the population in every country outside of Israel is behind so much. Go on wikipedia and check out the list of richest people in every Western country, then go to their personal pages and look at their heritage. They might be better than us at business, yada yada, we're not the mustard race but they're still using their political, scientific and business acumen to drive us into the ground. They're unleashing the same flagrant disregard for human life, decency and dignity upon your people as well, just in different ways. As an Anglo-Saxon I am sorry for what we did but there might be a small chance we can still right things.

The problem is, just as Saudi Arabia does not represent what all Muslims think, Israel does not represent what all Jews think. Criticism anyone has of the Israeli state should not be applied to Jewish people as a whole. Also, just because someone is more business savvy than you or I, and gets richer off of it, does not mean that they're evil, or as you put it, "trying to drive us into the ground."

Except the Jews as a group are acting as a cohesive whole.

What if the elderly, the women and the children are part of something that is attacking you?

Where did you see the word "women" in this Hadith? The reason the elderly and children are marked as non-combats as that they're literally unable to put up a fair fight. An old man or a young child against a trained warrior will result in the former losing every single time. Second of all, "self-defense" is not an excuse for the Holocaust. Self-defense is done on a small scale, not against an entire race, and unless Jews were assaulting people in the streets (which still does not allow genocide, only action against the specific person or group of people actively engaged in combat) self-defense is not even applicable in the first place.

I will simply rebut this by saying that what is happening in Europe, North America and elsewhere today is nothing but a direct and obvious result of Germany failing to defend itself hard enough. Their culture is in ruins, they can't even bring enough living people into this world to have a functioning economy without having to predatorily import cheap labour from the rest of the world (I wonder who in the German government is disproportionately behind this). If it wasn't self defence these countries wouldn't have been mortally wounded by failing to fully carry it out.

[Zizou]

The problem is, just as Saudi Arabia does not represent what all Muslims think, Israel does not represent what all Jews think. Criticism anyone has of the Israeli state should not be applied to Jewish people as a whole. Also, just because someone is more business savvy than you or I, and gets richer off of it, does not mean that they're evil, or as you put it, "trying to drive us into the ground."

Except the Jews as a group are acting as a cohesive whole.

Except they aren't. Jews don't act as some sort of hive mind.