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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni
251
44%
Salafi
17
3%
Shi'a
48
8%
Qur'ani
13
2%
Ahmadi
9
2%
IbaaDi
10
2%
Sufi (either Sunni or Shi'a)
30
5%
Non-Denominational
88
15%
Other
104
18%
 
Total votes : 570

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:55 pm

https://legacy.quran.com/39/42 wrote:Allah takes the souls at the time of their death...


On top of this are are SaHeeH narration about how the ruH leaves the body.
https://sunnah.com/urn/1267300
https://sunnah.com/muslim/53/90
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:30 pm

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:03 pm

Does getting scammed out of items in a video game constitute theft in Islam?

I got scammed out of items in a video game today.

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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:04 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Does getting scammed out of items in a video game constitute theft in Islam?

I got scammed out of items in a video game today.

Yes. Islam judges by a person's intentions. If that person stole from you with the intention of stealing, what he did was haraam.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:09 pm

AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Does getting scammed out of items in a video game constitute theft in Islam?

I got scammed out of items in a video game today.

Yes. Islam judges by a person's intentions. If that person stole from you with the intention of stealing, what he did was haraam.

Ah, ok.

Thanks.

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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:23 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:Yes. Islam judges by a person's intentions. If that person stole from you with the intention of stealing, what he did was haraam.

Ah, ok.

Thanks.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:53 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:Yes. Islam judges by a person's intentions. If that person stole from you with the intention of stealing, what he did was haraam.

Ah, ok.

Thanks.

Was the dude/dudette who scammed you Muslim?
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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Ah, ok.

Thanks.

Was the dude/dudette who scammed you Muslim?

Well then, he should have his game controller wires cut then according to Islamic Video Game Sharia.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:06 pm

AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Was the dude/dudette who scammed you Muslim?

Well then, he should have his game controller wires cut then according to Islamic Video Game Sharia.

:lol2:
Because this is funny I'll spare NSG the grim truth.
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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:16 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:Well then, he should have his game controller wires cut then according to Islamic Video Game Sharia.

:lol2:
Because this is funny I'll spare NSG the grim truth.

And if he steals again, we cut that controller too, and smash his Xbox or freeze his bank account.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:37 pm

AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote::lol2:
Because this is funny I'll spare NSG the grim truth.

And if he steals again, we cut that controller too, and smash his Xbox or freeze his bank account.

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Postby The Grims » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:38 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:Well then, he should have his game controller wires cut then according to Islamic Video Game Sharia.

:lol2:
Because this is funny I'll spare NSG the grim truth.


My truth :p ?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:39 pm

The Grims wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote::lol2:
Because this is funny I'll spare NSG the grim truth.


My truth :p ?

Took me a bit to get that lol
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:54 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
https://legacy.quran.com/39/42 wrote:Allah takes the souls at the time of their death...


On top of this are are SaHeeH narration about how the ruH leaves the body.
https://sunnah.com/urn/1267300
https://sunnah.com/muslim/53/90

It does, generally where the body dies, but the body is reassembled, or else it woukd be reincarnation, not resurrection.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:27 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
On top of this are are SaHeeH narration about how the ruH leaves the body.
https://sunnah.com/urn/1267300
https://sunnah.com/muslim/53/90

It does, generally where the body dies, but the body is reassembled, or else it woukd be reincarnation, not resurrection.

No one in here said it was reincarnation nor do any of us defending spiritual resurrection view it as such.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:28 pm

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
On top of this are are SaHeeH narration about how the ruH leaves the body.
https://sunnah.com/urn/1267300
https://sunnah.com/muslim/53/90

It does, generally where the body dies, but the body is reassembled, or else it woukd be reincarnation, not resurrection.

I just showed you the daleel that the body doesn't get resurrected, only the soul is.
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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:52 pm

Besides, reincarnation is different from spiritual resurrection. The difference between the two is that in reincarnation, when an individual dies, they enter another physical body, and the process may be for eternity or however long the deity wants the soul to be reincarnated


In spiritual Resurrection, the bodies we are to enter in the Hereafter are purely spiritual, and whatever dimension we are entering may be completely different from the one we are in, and unlike reincarnation, we will never die again.
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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:01 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:It does, generally where the body dies, but the body is reassembled, or else it woukd be reincarnation, not resurrection.

I just showed you the daleel that the body doesn't get resurrected, only the soul is.

That isn't the resurrection though. The resurrection happens to everyone all at once on judgement day. That is the interim.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:03 am

AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:Besides, reincarnation is different from spiritual resurrection. The difference between the two is that in reincarnation, when an individual dies, they enter another physical body, and the process may be for eternity or however long the deity wants the soul to be reincarnated


In spiritual Resurrection, the bodies we are to enter in the Hereafter are purely spiritual, and whatever dimension we are entering may be completely different from the one we are in, and unlike reincarnation, we will never die again.

What you mean by spiritual? From what I understand, spirit and body are different by definition, a spiritual body is an oxymoron. Evn jinns have physical bodies only they have no mass.
1 By the morning hours
2 And by the night when it is stillest,
3 Thy Lord hath not forsaken thee nor doth He hate thee,
4 And verily the latter portion will be better for thee than the former,
5 And verily thy Lord will give unto thee so that thou wilt be content.
6 Did He not find thee an orphan and protect (thee) ?
7 Did He not find thee wandering and direct (thee) ?
8 Did He not find thee destitute and enrich (thee) ?
9 Therefor the orphan oppress not,
10 Therefor the beggar drive not away,
11 Therefor of the bounty of thy Lord be thy discourse


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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:08 am

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:Besides, reincarnation is different from spiritual resurrection. The difference between the two is that in reincarnation, when an individual dies, they enter another physical body, and the process may be for eternity or however long the deity wants the soul to be reincarnated


In spiritual Resurrection, the bodies we are to enter in the Hereafter are purely spiritual, and whatever dimension we are entering may be completely different from the one we are in, and unlike reincarnation, we will never die again.

What you mean by spiritual? From what I understand, spirit and body are different by definition, a spiritual body is an oxymoron. Evn jinns have physical bodies only they have no mass.

The Hereafter.

A spiritual body is not an oxymoron when we have both just showed you the daleel for why the Resurrection is in fact, spiritual. And no, jinns don't have physical bodies either. The word "jimn" itself even means something that is unknown. Hence, your assertion that jinns have physical bodies is in itself an oxymoron.
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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:09 am

The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I just showed you the daleel that the body doesn't get resurrected, only the soul is.

That isn't the resurrection though. The resurrection happens to everyone all at once on judgement day. That is the interim.

Circular reasoning.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:10 am

I feel like I should make a good-bye speech bevauw I might get DOS...

This message has been written in case the unfortunate event occurs that I get deleted on site for defending Al-Islam from the kaafireen (which means "disbelievers" and is not a slur at all. I am not using it in that way. Go on Arch's post that's linked in my sig). I have spent a tumultuous yet fun time here on NS. I praise Allah SWT for the friends I've made in The North Pacific, Rossferry and United Empire of Islam. I praise Allah SWT for the friends I have made on the IDT. I praise Allah SWT for giving me and my brothers and sisters the strength to defend against the waswas of ShayTaan coming from those who wanted to slander Allah SWT, Rasoolullah SAWS, the SaHaaba RA and many other important Muslims, including those sitting here reading this. I ask Allah SWT to keep me a Muslim and guide on SiraaaTil-mustaqeem, and I ask the same of Him upon every Muslim on NS and around the world and beyond. May Allah SWT make us successful, aameen. I've spent a great time and have learned a lot from the brothers and sisters here, y'all are a blessing. May Allah SWT bless the brother who first introduced me to discord iirc, aameen. In case I get unjustly DOS from this site, here is my discord account: El-A'Kumba#7358. My discord server is on the 1st page of this IDT.

Assalaamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, jazakumullah khairan, baarakullah feekum.
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I feel like I should make a good-bye speech bevauw I might get DOS...

This message has been written in case the unfortunate event occurs that I get deleted on site for defending Al-Islam from the kaafiroon (which means "disbelievers" and is not a slur at all. I am not using it in that way. Go on Arch's post that's linked in my sig). I have spent a tumultuous yet fun time here on NS. I praise Allah SWT for the friends I've made in The North Pacific, Rossferry and United Empire of Islam. I praise Allah SWT for the friends I have made on the IDT. I praise Allah SWT for giving me and my brothers and sisters the strength to defend against the waswas of ShayTaan coming from those who wanted to slander Allah SWT, Rasoolullah SAWS, the SaHaaba RA and many other important Muslims, including those sitting here reading this. I ask Allah SWT to keep me a Muslim and guide on SiraaaTil-mustaqeem, and I ask the same of Him upon every Muslim on NS and around the world and beyond. May Allah SWT make us successful, aameen. I've spent a great time and have learned a lot from the brothers and sisters here, y'all are a blessing. In case I get unjustly DOS from this site, here is my discord account: El-A'Kumba#7358. My discord server is on the 1st page of this IDT.

Assalaamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, jazakumullah khairan, baarakullah feekum.

...say what?

Let me guess. A controversial fight in RWDT or Brunei?

Walakium salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatu

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:17 am

AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I feel like I should make a good-bye speech bevauw I might get DOS...

This message has been written in case the unfortunate event occurs that I get deleted on site for defending Al-Islam from the kaafiroon (which means "disbelievers" and is not a slur at all. I am not using it in that way. Go on Arch's post that's linked in my sig). I have spent a tumultuous yet fun time here on NS. I praise Allah SWT for the friends I've made in The North Pacific, Rossferry and United Empire of Islam. I praise Allah SWT for the friends I have made on the IDT. I praise Allah SWT for giving me and my brothers and sisters the strength to defend against the waswas of ShayTaan coming from those who wanted to slander Allah SWT, Rasoolullah SAWS, the SaHaaba RA and many other important Muslims, including those sitting here reading this. I ask Allah SWT to keep me a Muslim and guide on SiraaaTil-mustaqeem, and I ask the same of Him upon every Muslim on NS and around the world and beyond. May Allah SWT make us successful, aameen. I've spent a great time and have learned a lot from the brothers and sisters here, y'all are a blessing. In case I get unjustly DOS from this site, here is my discord account: El-A'Kumba#7358. My discord server is on the 1st page of this IDT.

Assalaamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatuhu, jazakumullah khairan, baarakullah feekum.

...say what?

Let me guess. A controversial fight in RWDT or Brunei?

Walakium salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatu

I've enjoyed your defenses of Islam. We may have disagreed from time to time, but we generally made a good team. May Allah guide you. Ameen.

Started here. If you're wondering why the mods were referenced, go to these 3 threads:
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viewtopic.php?f=16&t=462760
Jazakallah Khairan wa aameen.
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Postby AhmadiMuslim1889 » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:27 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
AhmadiMuslim1889 wrote:...say what?

Let me guess. A controversial fight in RWDT or Brunei?

Walakium salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatu

I've enjoyed your defenses of Islam. We may have disagreed from time to time, but we generally made a good team. May Allah guide you. Ameen.

Started here. If you're wondering why the mods were referenced, go to these 3 threads:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=462684
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=462720
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=462760
Jazakallah Khairan wa aameen.

Ah ok.

Well, whatever happens, happens.
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