Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Because I'm convinced he is Parkus.

I don’t know much about this Parkus guy, but I found a bit. His sig looked familiar and I remembered the name of a nation with a similar signature. I searched it up, and sure enough, Parkus has been here since The Parkus Empire CTE’d. Mardla was one of their nation. If that guy is Parkus, his signature is definitely different.

[Grenartia]

Because I'm convinced he is Parkus.

I don’t know much about this Parkus guy, but I found a bit. His sig looked familiar and I remembered the name of a nation with a similar signature. I searched it up, and sure enough, Parkus has been here since The Parkus Empire CTE’d. Mardla was one of their nation. If that guy is Parkus, his signature is definitely different.

Protip: having a different signature doesn't mean he's not Parkus. He could be putting on an act.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What, do you not think that polygyny and slavery are part of Al-Islam?

Not in any truly civilized strain of it, just like there's no polygamy or slavery in any truly civilized strain of Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion.

I said polygyny, not polygamy. Anyways, here's polygyny in the Holy Qur'an:
https://legacy.quran.com/4/3
As for slavery, it has been a highly debated topic. There are many rules on treatment of slaves which can be found here:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el-amin_caliphate/detail=factbook/id=1119107:
Slavery in Al-Islam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wic1CdJKufY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVo_-j2THE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1ubtoL95c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d6sZJRNYQ
https://islamqa.info/en/94840
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition
https://www.al-islam.org/slavery-from-i ... ks-slavery
http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/1174 ... of-slavery
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition

[El-Amin Caliphate]

What, do you not think that polygyny and slavery are part of Al-Islam?

I have daleel from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, I'm not lying nor misguided (unless I'm misinterpreting something, then a brother or sister can correct me).

So you're happily admitting that Islam is a religion of slavery? Wonderful.

I was gonna say "no" but you're actually right. Muslims are considered as "عِبَادِ الله/'Ibaadillah" or "slaves/servants of Allah".

[Grenartia]

Not in any truly civilized strain of it, just like there's no polygamy or slavery in any truly civilized strain of Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion.

I said polygyny, not polygamy.

Tomato, tomato.

Anyways, here's polygyny in the Holy Qur'an:
https://legacy.quran.com/4/3
As for slavery, it has been a highly debated topic. There are many rules on treatment of slaves which can be found here:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el-amin_caliphate/detail=factbook/id=1119107:
Slavery in Al-Islam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wic1CdJKufY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVo_-j2THE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1ubtoL95c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d6sZJRNYQ
https://islamqa.info/en/94840
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition
https://www.al-islam.org/slavery-from-i ... ks-slavery
http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/1174 ... of-slavery
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition

Do you not fucking comprehend that the problem isn't with the treatment of slaves, its the fact that they are allowed in the first place?

[The Galactic Liberal Democracy]

Protip: having a different signature doesn't mean he's not Parkus. He could be putting on an act.

From the information I found, he doesn’t seem to be the kind of the person that wouldn’t say HOMOPHOBE AND PROUD every chance he got.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I said polygyny, not polygamy.

Tomato, tomato.

Anyways, here's polygyny in the Holy Qur'an:
https://legacy.quran.com/4/3
As for slavery, it has been a highly debated topic. There are many rules on treatment of slaves which can be found here:

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=el-amin_caliphate/detail=factbook/id=1119107:
Slavery in Al-Islam:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wic1CdJKufY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4sVo_-j2THE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pn1ubtoL95c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h9d6sZJRNYQ
https://islamqa.info/en/94840
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition
https://www.al-islam.org/slavery-from-i ... ks-slavery
http://www.islamweb.net/en/article/1174 ... of-slavery
http://islam-wa-sunnah.com/fatwa/index. ... definition

Do you not *ucking comprehend that the problem isn't with the treatment of slaves, its the fact that they are allowed in the first place?

Well at lesst you can find the difference in Islamic slavery and New World slavery. Anyways polygyny and slavery is a part of Al-Islam whether you like it or not. I've shown you the proof, which defeats your claim of Al-Islam not having these beliefs.

Also polygyny and polygamy aren't the same thing. Polygyny is a form of polygamy, but polygamy is not polygyny.

[Grenartia]

Protip: having a different signature doesn't mean he's not Parkus. He could be putting on an act.

From the information I found, he doesn’t seem to be the kind of the person that wouldn’t say HOMOPHOBE AND PROUD every chance he got.

He's putting on an act. How many times do I have to say that?

Either that, or he actually did convert to Islam, and is lying about not being Parkus.

Tomato, tomato.



Do you not *ucking comprehend that the problem isn't with the treatment of slaves, its the fact that they are allowed in the first place?

Well at lesst you can find the difference in Islamic slavery and New World slavery.

It doesn't matter whether the dogshit is brown or green, its still dogshit.

Anyways polygyny and slavery is a part of Al-Islam whether you like it or not. I've shown you the proof, which defeats your claim of Al-Islam notbhaving these beliefs.

My claim wasn't that it didn't exist in any strain of Islam, my claim is that it doesn't exist in any truly civilized strain of Islam.

Also polygyny and polygamy aren't the same thing. Polygyny is a form of polygamy, but polygamy is not polygyny.

I care not for your semantics.

[Hanafuridake]

Because I'm convinced he is Parkus.

I don’t know much about this Parkus guy, but I found a bit. His sig looked familiar and I remembered the name of a nation with a similar signature. I searched it up, and sure enough, Parkus has been here since The Parkus Empire CTE’d. Mardla was one of their nation. If that guy is Parkus, his signature is definitely different.

I reached the conclusion that he was Parkus separately from Grenartia because of the similarities between posting styles and interests. He even used the same examples to argue that Jefferson Davis was a good person. 2 + 2 = 4.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

My claim wasn't that it didn't exist in any strain of Islam, my claim is that it doesn't exist in any truly civilized strain of Islam.

Then your claim doesn't make sense. Polygyny and slavery are literally in the Holy Qur'an, the only "strain of Islam" that wouldn't believe that literally wouldn't even be Islam in the 1st place. And you using "civilised" is a buzzword anyway. Every advanced human interaction is civilization, hence "civilised". Just because you don't like it doesn't make it uncivilized.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Grenartia, to put what you're saying in more frank terms, what you're saying is that Muslims should just disregard parts of the Holy Qur'an that you don't like. That's what you're saying.

[Grenartia]

My claim wasn't that it didn't exist in any strain of Islam, my claim is that it doesn't exist in any truly civilized strain of Islam.

Then your claim doesn't make sense. Polygyny and slavery are literally in the Holy Qur'an, the only "strain of Islam" that wouldn't believe that literally wouldn't even be Islam in the 1st place.

You sound just like the people who enslaved your ancestors.

And you using "civilised" is a buzzword anyway. Every advanced human interaction is civilization, hence "civilised". Just because you don't like it doesn't make it uncivilized.

Civilized means the society in question has an ethical high ground. Said high ground exists regardless of religion or race.

Grenartia, to put what you're saying in more frank terms, what you're saying is that Muslims should just disregard parts of the Holy Qur'an that you don't like. That's what you're saying.

I'm saying that they shouldn't adhere to bullshit that reduces the moral legitimacy of their religion.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm saying that they shouldn't adhere to bullsh*t that reduces the moral legitimacy of their religion.

Yeah, so disregard parts of our religion. Also on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

[Kragholm Free States]

I'm saying that they shouldn't adhere to bullsh*t that reduces the moral legitimacy of their religion.

Yeah, so disregard parts of our religion. Also on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

The fact that slavery is fucking evil, perhaps?

[Grenartia]

I'm saying that they shouldn't adhere to bullsh*t that reduces the moral legitimacy of their religion.

Yeah, so disregard parts of our religion. Also on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

"Owning" other people is inherently morally wrong, as is taking multiple child brides (regardless of whether or not they're technically old enough to bear children).

Combining the two is especially vile.

Either your sect of Islam must recognize this, or it shall be replaced by sects which do.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, so disregard parts of our religion. Also on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

The fact that slavery is *ucking evil, perhaps?

We're talking specifically about Islamic slavery, not slavery in general. At least I am. But regardless that doesn't answer on what moral basis Grenartia is saying that Al-Islam is morally hindered by Islamic slavery and polygyny.

[Genivaria]

The fact that slavery is *ucking evil, perhaps?

We're talking specifically about Islamic slavery, not slavery in general. At least I am. But regardless that doesn't answer on what moral basis Grenartia is saying that Al-Islam is morally hindered by Islamic slavery and polygyny.

"We're talking about Islamic murder, not murder in general."
Imagine thinking this line means anything to anyone.

[Kragholm Free States]

The fact that slavery is *ucking evil, perhaps?

We're talking specifically about Islamic slavery, not slavery in general. At least I am. But regardless that doesn't answer on what moral basis Grenartia is saying that Al-Islam is morally hindered by Islamic slavery and polygyny.

Slavery doesn't suddenly become not fucking evil because some old warlord says it's great in his shitty fantasy book, you know.

[Farnhamia]

We're talking specifically about Islamic slavery, not slavery in general. At least I am. But regardless that doesn't answer on what moral basis Grenartia is saying that Al-Islam is morally hindered by Islamic slavery and polygyny.

Slavery doesn't suddenly become not fucking evil because some old warlord says it's great in his shitty fantasy book, you know.

Dial back the trollish posting, why don't you?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, so disregard parts of our religion. Also on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

"Owning" other people is inherently morally wrong, as is taking multiple child brides (regardless of whether or not they're technically old enough to bear children).

Who said anything about child brides?

Either your sect of Islam must recognize this, or it shall be replaced by sects which do.

I don't follow a sect. I also still don't know why you're talking about sects like polygyny and slavery is only supported by 1 or a few sects. It's literally in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. Especially polygyny.

You also still didn't answer those question:

on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

[Grenartia]

"Owning" other people is inherently morally wrong, as is taking multiple child brides (regardless of whether or not they're technically old enough to bear children).

Who said anything about child brides?

Polygamy traditionally includes (across all the Abrahamic religions) marrying little girls off to vastly older men.

Either your sect of Islam must recognize this, or it shall be replaced by sects which do.

I don't follow a sect.

Whether or not you think you do, you do.

I also still don't know why you're talking about sects like polygyny and slavery is only supported by 1 or a few sects. It's literally in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. Especially polygyny.

That doesn't actually justify anything.

You also still didn't answer those question:

on what basis are you saying that Islamic slavery and polygyny reduces the morality of Al-Islam?

I actually did answer that:

"Owning" other people is inherently morally wrong, as is taking multiple child brides (regardless of whether or not they're technically old enough to bear children).

Combining the two is especially vile.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Who said anything about child brides?

Polygamy traditionally includes (across all the Abrahamic religions) marrying little girls off to vastly older men.

That shouldn't be happening.

I actually did answer that:

"Owning" other people is inherently morally wrong, as is taking multiple child brides (regardless of whether or not they're technically old enough to bear children).

Combining the two is especially vile.

Ok, and what moral basis are you using go say that this is "morally wrong"?

[Grenartia]

Polygamy traditionally includes (across all the Abrahamic religions) marrying little girls off to vastly older men.

Can you prove this?

Its common knowledge.

Eh, regardless that shouldn't be happening.

I actually did answer that:

Ok, and what moral basis are you using go say that this is "morally wrong"?

It should be self evident that slavery is inherently morally wrong.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It should be self evident that slavery is inherently morally wrong.

Why are you avoiding the question?

On what moral basis are you saying that slavery (which btw are we talking about Islamic slavery or slavery in general?) is morally wrong?

If you need me to explain this question I will.

[Zizou]

Well, this is an interesting series of posts to log on to...