Islamic Discussion Thread ٥: Free Tajweed, Absolutely Halaal

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Assalamualaikum.

Wa'Alaikum Assalaam

[AhmadiMuslim1889]

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Super long (article length) posting Jolthig is back! He's been gone for a year, but now, going to a length of an article, we're right back.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

[Negarakita]

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Bruh moment

Don't post that kinda stuff on here man

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Bruh moment

Don't post that kinda stuff on here man

I'm already in a deep pit of 'shame' as far as what NSGers think of me, I seriously don't care anymore.

[The Man Who Shot Jiminy Cricket]

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Well isn't it a bit passé? Even Saudi Arabia banned slavery in the 1960's, although Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud is the son of a concubine slave.

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Bruh moment

Don't post that kinda stuff on here man

People still have sex with servants, see Governor Arnold. It is more like that than what we call "sex slavery" today. Islam regulates the relationship.

Bruh moment

Don't post that kinda stuff on here man

I'm already in a deep pit of 'shame' as far as what NSGers think of me, I seriously don't care anymore.

They hate you because they think you are a foreigner. In fact you are much more tolerant than many right wingers here.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Well isn't it a bit passé? Even Saudi Arabia banned slavery in the 1960's, although Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud is the son of a concubine slave.

Well I don't believe that Al-Islam abolished slavery, I don't see any evidence for that. All Al-Islam says is how to treat your slaves.

They hate you because they think you are a foreigner.

Nah, I've repeatedly said that I'm an African American born and raised in North Carolina. Somehow people still think I'm from somewhere but it should be pretty well known what my nationality is, especially to those who talk to me regularly.

In fact you are much more tolerant than many right wingers here.

Aww, thx

[Zizou]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462548&p=35542414#p35542414

Super long (article length) posting Jolthig is back! He's been gone for a year, but now, going to a length of an article, we're right back.

Alhamdulillah brother, that was a pleasure to read

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Considering slavery was discouraged to begin with, and is now pretty much banned worldwide, this is somewhat irrelevant, although it does contain some information on sexual relations between husband and wife.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462548&p=35542414#p35542414

Super long (article length) posting Jolthig is back! He's been gone for a year, but now, going to a length of an article, we're right back.

Alhamdulillah brother, that was a pleasure to read

Concubinage in Al-Islam. Just something I found in discord, a really great article to read about how to have Halaal sex with one's slave.

Considering slavery was discouraged to begin with, and is now pretty much banned worldwide, this is somewhat irrelevant, although it does contain some information on sexual relations between husband and wife.

Yes, slavery is discouraged in Al-Islam, it's not banned tho. As for it being banned worldwide, I do not hate what daarul-kufr enacts as law, Allah's SWT Law is superior.

[Zizou]

Alhamdulillah brother, that was a pleasure to read


Considering slavery was discouraged to begin with, and is now pretty much banned worldwide, this is somewhat irrelevant, although it does contain some information on sexual relations between husband and wife.

Yes, slavery is discouraged in Al-Islam, it's not banned tho. As for it being banned worldwide, I do not hate what daarul-kufr enacts as law, Allah's SWT Law is superior.

Allah (SWT)'s law is superior, yes, but it's pretty clear that Allah (SWT) wanted slaves to be set free, and now that slavery has been banned worldwide, there's no reason to continue the practice.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yes, slavery is discouraged in Al-Islam, it's not banned tho. As for it being banned worldwide, I do not hate what daarul-kufr enacts as law, Allah's SWT Law is superior.

Allah (SWT)'s law is superior, yes, but it's pretty clear that Allah (SWT) wanted slaves to be set free, and now that slavery has been banned worldwide, there's no reason to continue the practice.

I kinda agree with you that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be set free, but I think it'd be more accurate to say that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be treated better. Because if He wanted them to be set free He'd've said so. As for there being no reason to continue Islamic slavery, well that's not true. In Al-Islam we can enslave POWs, so that would be a reason to continue Islamic slavery if the Islamic nation decides not to ransom them.

[A m e n r i a]

Allah (SWT)'s law is superior, yes, but it's pretty clear that Allah (SWT) wanted slaves to be set free, and now that slavery has been banned worldwide, there's no reason to continue the practice.

I kinda agree with you that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be set free, but I think it'd be more accurate to say that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be treated better. Because if He wanted them to be set free He'd've said so. As for there being no reason to continue Islamic slavery, well that's not true. In Al-Islam we can enslave POWs, so that would be a reason to continue Islamic slavery if the Islamic nation decides not to ransom them.

I still think it would be best to let them go.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Oof..lemme kick this off with some thought fuel...You guys ever of how similar angels are to eldritch abominations? Both are genderless, have creepy true forms, and are from a distant dimension.

Yes, except the latter is malevolent inherently, and the former is benevolent because a book said so.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I kinda agree with you that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be set free, but I think it'd be more accurate to say that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be treated better. Because if He wanted them to be set free He'd've said so. As for there being no reason to continue Islamic slavery, well that's not true. In Al-Islam we can enslave POWs, so that would be a reason to continue Islamic slavery if the Islamic nation decides not to ransom them.

I still think it would be best to let them go.

I agree. But that can only happen under a mukaatabah.

[A m e n r i a]

Oof..lemme kick this off with some thought fuel...You guys ever of how similar angels are to eldritch abominations? Both are genderless, have creepy true forms, and are from a distant dimension.

Yes, except the latter is malevolent inherently, and the former is benevolent because a book said so.

More like benevolent because of their actions, but fair enough.

[Zizou]

Allah (SWT)'s law is superior, yes, but it's pretty clear that Allah (SWT) wanted slaves to be set free, and now that slavery has been banned worldwide, there's no reason to continue the practice.

I kinda agree with you that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be set free, but I think it'd be more accurate to say that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be treated better. Because if He wanted them to be set free He'd've said so. As for there being no reason to continue Islamic slavery, well that's not true. In Al-Islam we can enslave POWs, so that would be a reason to continue Islamic slavery if the Islamic nation decides not to ransom them.

In my mind, the only reason that the Qur'an doesn't explicitly state that all slaves must be freed is that slavery was so entrenched within the culture of the world at the time, that it strove to gradually eliminate the practice by restricting it and making it a religiously rewarding act to free slaves.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I kinda agree with you that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be set free, but I think it'd be more accurate to say that Allah SWT wanted slaves to be treated better. Because if He wanted them to be set free He'd've said so. As for there being no reason to continue Islamic slavery, well that's not true. In Al-Islam we can enslave POWs, so that would be a reason to continue Islamic slavery if the Islamic nation decides not to ransom them.

In my mind, the only reason that the Qur'an doesn't explicitly state that all slaves must be freed is that slavery was so entrenched within the culture of the world at the time, that it strove to gradually eliminate the practice by restricting it and making it a religiously rewarding act to free slaves.

I agree with this as well. But the Holy Qur'an is still relevant for all times, so that still leaves Islamic slavery open - albeit discouraged - to Islamic soceity.

[A m e n r i a]

In my mind, the only reason that the Qur'an doesn't explicitly state that all slaves must be freed is that slavery was so entrenched within the culture of the world at the time, that it strove to gradually eliminate the practice by restricting it and making it a religiously rewarding act to free slaves.

I agree with this as well. But the Holy Qur'an is still relevant for all times, so that still leaves Islamic slavery open - albeit discouraged - to Islamic soceity.

A slight disagreement there, though you're not completely wrong.

[AhmadiMuslim1889]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=462548&p=35542414#p35542414

Super long (article length) posting Jolthig is back! He's been gone for a year, but now, going to a length of an article, we're right back.

Alhamdulillah brother, that was a pleasure to read

For sure. Glad you enjoyed it.

[Zizou]

In my mind, the only reason that the Qur'an doesn't explicitly state that all slaves must be freed is that slavery was so entrenched within the culture of the world at the time, that it strove to gradually eliminate the practice by restricting it and making it a religiously rewarding act to free slaves.

I agree with this as well. But the Holy Qur'an is still relevant for all times, so that still leaves Islamic slavery open - albeit discouraged - to Islamic soceity.

If we're being technical about the allowability of slavery, sure, it's technically allowable, but there's no reason to engage in the practice, and bring us back to what the Qur'an strove to remove from society.

[AhmadiMuslim1889]

I agree with this as well. But the Holy Qur'an is still relevant for all times, so that still leaves Islamic slavery open - albeit discouraged - to Islamic soceity.

If we're being technical about the allowability of slavery, sure, it's technically allowable, but there's no reason to engage in the practice, and bring us back to what the Qur'an strove to remove from society.

Yeah, this is my view as well. The Quran intended the progressively remove slavery, and not with the stroke of a pen.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I agree with this as well. But the Holy Qur'an is still relevant for all times, so that still leaves Islamic slavery open - albeit discouraged - to Islamic soceity.

A slight disagreement there, though you're not completely wrong.

You think the Holy Qur'an is outdated or that Al-Islam sought to abolish slavery?

I agree with this as well. But the Holy Qur'an is still relevant for all times, so that still leaves Islamic slavery open - albeit discouraged - to Islamic soceity.

If we're being technical about the allowability of slavery, sure, it's technically allowable, but there's no reason to engage in the practice, and bring us back to what the Qur'an strove to remove from society.

Well now we're back to the square of proving whether the Holy Qur'an sought to (gradually) abolish slavery.

[A m e n r i a]

A slight disagreement there, though you're not completely wrong.

You think the Holy Qur'an is outdated or that Al-Islam sought to abolish slavery?

If we're being technical about the allowability of slavery, sure, it's technically allowable, but there's no reason to engage in the practice, and bring us back to what the Qur'an strove to remove from society.

Well now we're back to the square of proving whether the Holy Qur'an sought to (gradually) abolish slavery.

I'm saying there should be reforms as time passes. Most is still relevant imo tho.

[Arshanid Deccan]

Salam Guys

[Zizou]

A slight disagreement there, though you're not completely wrong.

You think the Holy Qur'an is outdated or that Al-Islam sought to abolish slavery?

If we're being technical about the allowability of slavery, sure, it's technically allowable, but there's no reason to engage in the practice, and bring us back to what the Qur'an strove to remove from society.

Well now we're back to the square of proving whether the Holy Qur'an sought to (gradually) abolish slavery.

I mean, the intent of the Qur'an to abolish slavery seems clear as day to me. It improved the conditions that slaves lived in, prohibited separating minors from their parents, reduced the ways that slaves could be taken, and encouraged them to be freed and taken into families. All we have to do is look to the conduct of Muhammad (SAW)'s, as we are so often encouraged to do, and we see that he freed them, married 2 of them, and helped them become leaders and raise them to prominent positions. It seems nearly self-evident that Allah (SWT) wanted slavery to be abolished.