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Kowani
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Postby Kowani » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:33 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Kowani wrote:That tinfoil hat is a bit small for you, now isn’t it?


Typically I preface tinfoil theories with an admission of tinfoiling.

The EU is a deadly serious threat to world freedom.

This is absolutely untrue.
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:37 am

Kowani wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Typically I preface tinfoil theories with an admission of tinfoiling.

The EU is a deadly serious threat to world freedom.

This is absolutely untrue.

Well, it is a federal oligarchy afterall. Wouldn’t say its dangerous, for country’s that know better.

I know believing in the admission of tinfoiling, preposterous.
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Israeli Commonwealth
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Founded: Apr 08, 2019
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:30 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:Lmao

They are a hilarious bunch aren't they? Considering their entire argument is essentially "the nazis are socialist because it's In the name, but they aren't nationalist despite it being in the name". Calling Nazism socialism is like saying social democracy and libertarianism are the same thing because they both tend to promote social liberties.

They were socialist and nationalist. They had the government control the market. A.K.A Socialism
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New Sukberia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Sukberia » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:19 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
New Sukberia wrote:Oligarchies is when a specific group of people vote, and the power is betwen the hands of the few.

Do you have an exemple?


The EU and all under it's Yoke.

The EU is neither an olygarchy nor a country. All under it's yoke? There's not a single country in the EU That isn't democratic. Except maybe Hungary who took a sharp turn towards authoritaitinism.
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New Sukberia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Sukberia » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:19 pm

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:They are a hilarious bunch aren't they? Considering their entire argument is essentially "the nazis are socialist because it's In the name, but they aren't nationalist despite it being in the name". Calling Nazism socialism is like saying social democracy and libertarianism are the same thing because they both tend to promote social liberties.

They were socialist and nationalist. They had the government control the market. A.K.A Socialism

No they didn't.
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New Sukberia
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New Sukberia » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:20 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:This is absolutely untrue.

Well, it is a federal oligarchy afterall. Wouldn’t say its dangerous, for country’s that know better.

I know believing in the admission of tinfoiling, preposterous.

It's neither federal nor an olygarchy.
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Israeli Commonwealth
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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:53 pm

New Sukberia wrote:
Israeli Commonwealth wrote:They were socialist and nationalist. They had the government control the market. A.K.A Socialism

No they didn't.

Brad yes they did. The factories were owned by the government and forced to pump out military supplies. They also had a lot of control over what jobs you could have. They were communist basically but also very militaristic and had classes.
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I believe in free speech,
I hate socialists,
I strongly dislike muslims,
I am pro Israel/Zionist,
I am pro gun,
I am pro agriculture,
I am pro trump,
I am somewhat pro IRA (as in I am Irish and pro independence. Not the leftist IRA though),
and I will personally attack anyone that hates the United States of America.
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Tokora
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Medwind wrote:
Tokora wrote:Normally you'd be right (with the exception of Austrofascists, they really don't help your case), but we're not talking about neo-fascists, we're talking about literal neo-nazis.


The OP clearly stated Fascists, not neo-Nazi's.

Uhh...
Tokora wrote:Trump has public support from alt-right groups (neo-nazis, kkk, etc.)

Not to mention when I literally said a Neo-Nazi organization becomes the mainstream right.


Internationalist Bastard wrote:Honestly the current Israeli government is an alt right dream
Don’t they constantly use it as an example?

Neo-Nazis dream of the Jewish people running their own nation? I'm pretty sure that was the opposite of Hitler's dream.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Shanhwa wrote:
Mussolini’s biggest mistakes were instituting the race laws and ponying up to Hitler as much as he did. He wasn’t too terribly bad of a leader minus that. A horrible tactician, yes, that’s true, but not that bad of a leader.

Again, diarrhea executions

I thought it was mostly used as an extreme form of public shaming with death only being a possibility (and a bonus to the perpetrators).

New Sukberia wrote:Then again, i bzt you think Huey Long was a socialist too, by your standards.

Actually most people think he was an American Hitler for some reason even though he was pretty much the only white southerner at the time who didn't mind blacks.

Israeli Commonwealth wrote:They were socialist and nationalist. They had the government control the market. A.K.A Socialism

I'm pretty sure the that the economy was dominated by large corporations who supported the regime and thrived when the Nazis applied their social-darwinism to the market.
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United Savage Imperial States
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Founded: Apr 06, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby United Savage Imperial States » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:33 pm

Tokora wrote:Throughout his presidency, Trump seems to have been giving mixed signals to the Jewish people. Trump has public support from alt-right groups (neo-nazis, kkk, etc.) and has made it clear he has no intention whatsoever of condemning them for their words or actions. On the other hand, Trump is very pro-Israel backing them on moving into Gaza and moving the embassy to Jerusalem along with having Jews including immediate family in his administration.

Knowing the "tense" history between the far-right and the Jewish people, I honestly have no idea how he has both as allies at the same time.

What would happen though if Trump was forced to make a choice? Let's say that an extremist Neo-Nazi (if it's even possible to be more extreme for these people) organization that become mainstream (as in consuming most of the right and even a few politicians) that demands cutting all ties with Israel, condemning all criticism of Nazi Germany or the CSA in classrooms, public denial of the Holocaust, the firing of all Jewish Government employees such as Kushner, and demands for a modern solution to the "Jewish problem". If forced between his "good people" or Israel, who would he choose and why?

I know that a group like that is extremely unlikely (at least I hope) to be successful in modern America but I wanted to take Trump's alliance with the Right to it's logical conclusion.

Personally I think he'd cut ties with Israel because he loves his base and has a history of extreme indifference to morality.


To be fair trump cannot control who supports him.

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Pannerstone
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Postby Pannerstone » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:34 pm

extremely biased OP is extremely biased

"yawn"

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Pannerstone
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Postby Pannerstone » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:37 pm

Tokora wrote:Throughout his presidency, Trump seems to have been giving mixed signals to the Jewish people. Trump has public support from alt-right groups (neo-nazis, kkk, etc.) and has made it clear he has no intention whatsoever of condemning them for their words or actions. On the other hand, Trump is very pro-Israel backing them on moving into Gaza and moving the embassy to Jerusalem along with having Jews including immediate family in his administration.

Knowing the "tense" history between the far-right and the Jewish people, I honestly have no idea how he has both as allies at the same time.

What would happen though if Trump was forced to make a choice? Let's say that an extremist Neo-Nazi (if it's even possible to be more extreme for these people) organization that become mainstream (as in consuming most of the right and even a few politicians) that demands cutting all ties with Israel, condemning all criticism of Nazi Germany or the CSA in classrooms, public denial of the Holocaust, the firing of all Jewish Government employees such as Kushner, and demands for a modern solution to the "Jewish problem". If forced between his "good people" or Israel, who would he choose and why?

I know that a group like that is extremely unlikely (at least I hope) to be successful in modern America but I wanted to take Trump's alliance with the Right to it's logical conclusion.

Personally I think he'd cut ties with Israel because he loves his base and has a history of extreme indifference to morality.


1. Trump has denounced them, just because he didn't get on his knees and cradle left-wing balls doing it dosn't mean he is on their side.

2. He is not Hitler Reborn, get over it

3. Trump wouldn't be forced to make that choice because it's not going to happen, even more ridiculous is your concept of "logical conclusion" considering that he is doing things that are very anti-authoritarian(He literally signed an executive order protecting free speech on campus, ironically this had to be done because of the LEFT WING attacking free thinkers and denying them a platform at every turn)

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Tokora
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Tokora » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:39 pm

Pannerstone wrote:extremely biased OP is extremely biased

"yawn"

I never said I wasn't, but I wanted to know that if push came to shove who Trump would pick between his two favorite people (not including himself).

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Pannerstone
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Postby Pannerstone » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:39 pm

Tokora wrote:
Pannerstone wrote:extremely biased OP is extremely biased

"yawn"

I never said I wasn't, but I wanted to know that if push came to shove who Trump would pick between his two favorite people (not including himself).


see above post

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Postby Israeli Commonwealth » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:41 pm

Pannerstone wrote:
Tokora wrote:Throughout his presidency, Trump seems to have been giving mixed signals to the Jewish people. Trump has public support from alt-right groups (neo-nazis, kkk, etc.) and has made it clear he has no intention whatsoever of condemning them for their words or actions. On the other hand, Trump is very pro-Israel backing them on moving into Gaza and moving the embassy to Jerusalem along with having Jews including immediate family in his administration.

Knowing the "tense" history between the far-right and the Jewish people, I honestly have no idea how he has both as allies at the same time.

What would happen though if Trump was forced to make a choice? Let's say that an extremist Neo-Nazi (if it's even possible to be more extreme for these people) organization that become mainstream (as in consuming most of the right and even a few politicians) that demands cutting all ties with Israel, condemning all criticism of Nazi Germany or the CSA in classrooms, public denial of the Holocaust, the firing of all Jewish Government employees such as Kushner, and demands for a modern solution to the "Jewish problem". If forced between his "good people" or Israel, who would he choose and why?

I know that a group like that is extremely unlikely (at least I hope) to be successful in modern America but I wanted to take Trump's alliance with the Right to it's logical conclusion.

Personally I think he'd cut ties with Israel because he loves his base and has a history of extreme indifference to morality.

Well said my friend
1. Trump has denounced them, just because he didn't get on his knees and cradle left-wing balls doing it dosn't mean he is on their side.

2. He is not Hitler Reborn, get over it

3. Trump wouldn't be forced to make that choice because it's not going to happen, even more ridiculous is your concept of "logical conclusion" considering that he is doing things that are very anti-authoritarian(He literally signed an executive order protecting free speech on campus, ironically this had to be done because of the LEFT WING attacking free thinkers and denying them a platform at every turn)
Hello there. How are you? Are you having a nice day?
If you are talking to me then you won't be...
Hardline American Republican,
I hate transgender people,
I am Jewish,
I believe in free speech,
I hate socialists,
I strongly dislike muslims,
I am pro Israel/Zionist,
I am pro gun,
I am pro agriculture,
I am pro trump,
I am somewhat pro IRA (as in I am Irish and pro independence. Not the leftist IRA though),
and I will personally attack anyone that hates the United States of America.
Welcome to the real world :)

Political Compass- Economic Left/Right: 5.88, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.03
Role-play country- https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1195858

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