Alt-Right or Israel?

[Sanctum and Ultima]

I think Israel should chill out with Palestine and make a coalition with Fatah against the terrorists, and Donald Trump is probably defecting to the Democrats in 2020, since he has an unstable political standing

[New Sukberia]

Lol no.

Such an eloquent rebuttal.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[Bruchet]

Such an eloquent rebuttal.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

All I did was call it eloquent ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[The Emerald Legion]

Such an eloquent rebuttal.

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Given that evidence has previously been brought forth by others, it's not necessary to prove again.

[Seangoli]

Let's be frank here: He only half-heartedly condemned them after they killed someone, and even then it took harranging to get him to do so.

He may or may not be a racist or White nationalists, but he sure as shit knows they support him and the hand-wringing over calling them out even when they are being shit bags isn't exactly sending a message that he actually disavows them.

What are you on about? It's not the President's responsibility to condemn every group of wrongdoers individually. If you haven't noticed, every such condemnation by the President, Trump, Obama, whoever, is exactly the same. It's publicity, not responsibility.

Unfortunately, the dumbass through himself into that arena by supporting the White Nationalists before they killed someone and started causing their mess at Charlottesville.

He has nobody to blame but himself for being forced to give a limp-wristed response after willingly throwing his support behind one group.

[New Sukberia]

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Given that evidence has previously been brought forth by others, it's not necessary to prove again.

I have seen the evidence and only found That comparing the current wave of scum in the democratic party ( you probably call Hillary Clinton a leftist) to the "left" is a fucking disgusting form of slander.

But that's ok, americand haven't had a leftist gouvernment since Eisenhower so they think That anyone who isn't a libertatian is a socialist i guess.

[Bruchet]

What are you on about? It's not the President's responsibility to condemn every group of wrongdoers individually. If you haven't noticed, every such condemnation by the President, Trump, Obama, whoever, is exactly the same. It's publicity, not responsibility.

Unfortunately, the dumbass through himself into that arena by supporting the White Nationalists before they killed someone and started causing their mess at Charlottesville.

He has nobody to blame but himself for being forced to give a limp-wristed response after willingly throwing his support behind one group.

Only... he didn't.

Given that evidence has previously been brought forth by others, it's not necessary to prove again.

I have seen the evidence and only found That comparing the current wave of scum in the democratic party ( you probably call Hillary Clinton a leftist) to the "left" is a fucking disgusting form of slander.

But that's ok, americand haven't had a leftist gouvernment since Eisenhower so they think That anyone who isn't a libertatian is a socialist i guess.

This just in-- Socialist White Nationalists!

...Wait.

[New Sukberia]

Unfortunately, the dumbass through himself into that arena by supporting the White Nationalists before they killed someone and started causing their mess at Charlottesville.

He has nobody to blame but himself for being forced to give a limp-wristed response after willingly throwing his support behind one group.

Only... he didn't.

" very fine people"?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Given that evidence has previously been brought forth by others, it's not necessary to prove again.

I have seen the evidence and only found That comparing the current wave of scum in the democratic party ( you probably call Hillary Clinton a leftist) to the "left" is a fucking disgusting form of slander.

But that's ok, americand haven't had a leftist gouvernment since Eisenhower so they think That anyone who isn't a libertatian is a socialist i guess.

Yeah and no. A cultures “left” and “right” is the largest groups in a government that are opposite of one another in ideology. While america is considerably “right” to europe, europe is considerably “left” to america.

[Grimmsland]

Why would race even come onto his radar though? Was there a sizable non-Italian (or "non-European", or "non-white") population to consider?

Ehhhh... Italy is weird. The only people the Italians hate more than other groups is other Italians. There were some Jews, Austrians, Germans, and even French inside the peninsula who are "italian", but not "Italian". Italy has been a super diverse region for thousands of years, amd race really has never played much importance, as Italian politics following the fall of Rome has been heavily fractured at even the best of times, with a constant in-fighting between city states.

I understand that feeling (not hate though, strong word). Not about Italians but about contempt for those closest to you. Makes sense though really.
That's who you deal with most, which means you will disagree with most, which will annoy you most. Why would I have a personal issue with people I don't know and aren't having to come into contact with. I wouldn't.

[Bruchet]

Only... he didn't.

" very fine people"?

Though I'm curious as to the exact context of what you're quoting, it doesn't take very long to realize that he calls everyone "very fine people".

[Holy Tedalonia]

What are you on about? It's not the President's responsibility to condemn every group of wrongdoers individually. If you haven't noticed, every such condemnation by the President, Trump, Obama, whoever, is exactly the same. It's publicity, not responsibility.

Unfortunately, the dumbass through himself into that arena by supporting the White Nationalists before they killed someone and started causing their mess at Charlottesville.

He has nobody to blame but himself for being forced to give a limp-wristed response after willingly throwing his support behind one group.

Source? Preferably a direct quote.

Edit: “very fine people” ain’t good enough, given how out of context it is.

[New Sukberia]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... es/537012/


Is This enough?

EDIT: note That i dont consider D T to be a white natinalist.

If anything, he's the most Pro-Israel président since Johnson.

[Bruchet]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/


Is This enough?

EDIT: note That i dont consider D T to be a white natinalist.

If anything, he's the most Pro-Israel président since Johnson.

That's not backtracking at all..?
He's saying there's evil on both sides, but that saying both sides are evil is unfair to the people who aren't evil. It's not a reverse of his condemnation.

[New Sukberia]

I have seen the evidence and only found That comparing the current wave of scum in the democratic party ( you probably call Hillary Clinton a leftist) to the "left" is a fucking disgusting form of slander.

But that's ok, americand haven't had a leftist gouvernment since Eisenhower so they think That anyone who isn't a libertatian is a socialist i guess.

Yeah and no. A cultures “left” and “right” is the largest groups in a government that are opposite of one another in ideology. While america is considerably “right” to europe, europe is considerably “left” to america.

The dem party is center right at best, with regressive social policies. The most left thry've got is Sanders who the entire estavlishment calls a "socialist" when the man Is a basic social democrat.

[Grimmsland]

Ehhhh... Italy is weird. The only people the Italians hate more than other groups is other Italians. There were some Jews, Austrians, Germans, and even French inside the peninsula who are "italian", but not "Italian". Italy has been a super diverse region for thousands of years, amd race really has never played much importance, as Italian politics following the fall of Rome has been heavily fractured at even the best of times, with a constant in-fighting between city states.

I understand that feeling (not hate though, strong word). Not about Italians but about contempt for those closest to you. Makes sense though really.
That's who you deal with most, which means you will disagree with most, which will annoy you most. Why would I have a personal issue with people I don't know and aren't having to come into contact with. I wouldn't.

I gotta change the term I used.. it too is too strong. Didn't know contempt meant "worthless" or "beneath consideration" thought it just meant like an annoying dis-like.

Need a term that means "I love you, but I don't like you".

[New Sukberia]

Unfortunately, the dumbass through himself into that arena by supporting the White Nationalists before they killed someone and started causing their mess at Charlottesville.

He has nobody to blame but himself for being forced to give a limp-wristed response after willingly throwing his support behind one group.

Only... he didn't.

I have seen the evidence and only found That comparing the current wave of scum in the democratic party ( you probably call Hillary Clinton a leftist) to the "left" is a fucking disgusting form of slander.

But that's ok, americand haven't had a leftist gouvernment since Eisenhower so they think That anyone who isn't a libertatian is a socialist i guess.

This just in-- Socialist White Nationalists!

...Wait.

Socizlist white nationaliste? When... Have i... Said That?

[Holy Tedalonia]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/


Is This enough?

EDIT: note That i dont consider D T to be a white natinalist.

If anything, he's the most Pro-Israel président since Johnson.

Not particularly given that he said “some of them are very fine people” implies only a certain number.

My grandparents used to consider themselves “white nationalist”, thinking it was white people being persecuted by the left, and this group was fighting back against that, around that time albeit a bit earlier then Charlottesville. Given how freely the left throws the label “white nationalist,” and how poorly the right understands the group. It isn’t fair to say, he supports white nationalists, because he said “very fine people,” in the same sentence with “some.”

[Holy Tedalonia]

Yeah and no. A cultures “left” and “right” is the largest groups in a government that are opposite of one another in ideology. While america is considerably “right” to europe, europe is considerably “left” to america.

The dem party is center right at best, with regressive social policies. The most left thry've got is Sanders who the entire estavlishment calls a "socialist" when the man Is a basic social democrat.

Again your European, and america has the a different cultural view of “left”, europe in America’s eyes is far left. We define our left different then you do.

[New Sukberia]

The dem party is center right at best, with regressive social policies. The most left thry've got is Sanders who the entire estavlishment calls a "socialist" when the man Is a basic social democrat.

Again your European, and america has the a different cultural view of “left”, europe in America’s eyes is far left.

Except That thèse notions are European.

Other than That, i agree.

[The Emerald Legion]

Yeah and no. A cultures “left” and “right” is the largest groups in a government that are opposite of one another in ideology. While america is considerably “right” to europe, europe is considerably “left” to america.

The dem party is center right at best, with regressive social policies. The most left thry've got is Sanders who the entire estavlishment calls a "socialist" when the man Is a basic social democrat.

Because Social Democracy is just Socialism with a different name.

[New Sukberia]

The dem party is center right at best, with regressive social policies. The most left thry've got is Sanders who the entire estavlishment calls a "socialist" when the man Is a basic social democrat.

Because Social Democracy is just Socialism with a different name.

No it isn't.

Social democracy wants to revise capitalism with a welfare state.

Socialism wants to create an anarchical society with the pmeans of production in the hands of the state, and then of the people That operate them.

That was a bad comparison, an almost laughable notion.

[Bruchet]

Only... he didn't.


This just in-- Socialist White Nationalists!

...Wait.

Socizlist white nationaliste? When... Have i... Said That?

Nazis arent libertarian.

[The Emerald Legion]

Because Social Democracy is just Socialism with a different name.

No it isn't.

Social democracy wants to revise capitalism with a welfare state.

Socialism wants to create an anarchical society with the pmeans of production in the hands of the state, and then of the people That operate them.

That was a bad comparison, an almost laughable notion.

A welfare state is a stepping stone to socialism as it will inevitably cause economic collapse.

[Grimmsland]

Socizlist white nationaliste? When... Have i... Said That?

Nazis arent libertarian.

Absolutely not. Libertarianism is almost as bad as Capitalism to NS.