Unaddressed issues: The Religious case for Trans acceptance

[United Muscovite Nations]

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

I am more concerned that he is being inconsistent by tolerating contraception and other forms of non-reproductive sex.

It's not inconsistent because it being non-reproductive has nothing to do with why I disapprove of it.

[Soviet Computocracy]

I think that sentiment is not deserving of snark calling him a "heretic".

I meant a heresy of Judaism, Orthodoxy preceded Catholicism.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) Well, I'd rather not make this convo explicit, but there's a way I can think of which isn't.

1) I'm extremely interested in hearing what this alleged way is.

As for those who don't want it, that is a problem for them, but I don't really know how non-binary people fit into the Christian conception of sex and gender, and frankly I haven't given it much thought.

Well, perhaps you should. And while you're at it, give consideration to the binary trans girls who don't want/can't get it.

1) I'll TG you.
2) I'm actually curious, why wouldn't they be able to get it, and why wouldn't they want it? Are the reasons they might not want it possible to overcome in the future?

[Salus Maior]

I think that sentiment is not deserving of snark calling him a "heretic".

I meant a heresy of Judaism, Orthodoxy preceded Catholicism.

Are you Jewish?

Also debatable.

[Bienenhalde]

I am more concerned that he is being inconsistent by tolerating contraception and other forms of non-reproductive sex.

It's not inconsistent because it being non-reproductive has nothing to do with why I disapprove of it.

Okay, fine. Why do you disapprove of it?

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's not inconsistent because it being non-reproductive has nothing to do with why I disapprove of it.

Okay, fine. Why do you disapprove of it?

Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).

Sex isn't good just because it's reproductive, it's an expression of affection between a husband and wife that is mutually pleasurable.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think that sentiment is not deserving of snark calling him a "heretic".

I meant a heresy of Judaism, Orthodoxy preceded Catholicism.

Victory.

[Grenartia]

That's actually something I applaud him for.

Why should anyone be applauded for being illogical and inconsistent?

The only illogical and inconsistent principle here is the anti-contraception, anti-non-reproductive sex position.

[Bienenhalde]

Okay, fine. Why do you disapprove of it?

Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).

So are you saying we should literally obey everything in the New Testament even if nobody can understand why God would command such a thing?

[Soviet Computocracy]

Are you Jewish?

I’m literate, the NT was written by Greeks for Jews.
Mathew 15:24

https://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history ... ity-005814
http://www.truthbeknown.com/apollonius.html
http://www.bobkwebsite.com/belmythvjesusmyth.html

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).

So are you saying we should literally obey everything in the New Testament even if nobody can understand why God would command such a thing?

We should obey that which is outlined for us to follow in the New Testament. God created man and woman for each other.

[Grenartia]

1) I'm extremely interested in hearing what this alleged way is.



Well, perhaps you should. And while you're at it, give consideration to the binary trans girls who don't want/can't get it.

1) I'll TG you.
2) I'm actually curious, why wouldn't they be able to get it, and why wouldn't they want it? Are the reasons they might not want it possible to overcome in the future?

There's a variety of medical reasons why (too many to list), and there's the other reasons, such as: fear of needles/surgery/etc., being comfortable with having a penis, having concerns about complications from surgery (not even specifically SRS, just surgery in general), etc.

These are all valid reasons and should be respected as such.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) I'll TG you.
2) I'm actually curious, why wouldn't they be able to get it, and why wouldn't they want it? Are the reasons they might not want it possible to overcome in the future?

There's a variety of medical reasons why (too many to list), and there's the other reasons, such as: fear of needles/surgery/etc., being comfortable with having a penis, having concerns about complications from surgery (not even specifically SRS, just surgery in general), etc.

These are all valid reasons and should be respected as such.

Perhaps, but it would still seem like the benefits, even just socially, would outweigh the risks.

[Bienenhalde]

Why should anyone be applauded for being illogical and inconsistent?

The only illogical and inconsistent principle here is the anti-contraception, anti-non-reproductive sex position.

Opposing all non-reproductive sex, regardless of sex, gender, or sexual orientation is consistent. And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.

[Salus Maior]

Are you Jewish?

I’m literate, the NT was written by Greeks for Jews.
Mathew 15:24

https://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history ... ity-005814
http://www.truthbeknown.com/apollonius.html

And Gentiles.
Literate is fine, but comprehensive is better.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The only illogical and inconsistent principle here is the anti-contraception, anti-non-reproductive sex position.

Opposing all non-reproductive sex, regardless of sex, gender, or sexual orientation is consistent. And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.

It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.

[Soviet Computocracy]

And Gentiles.
Literate is fine, but comprehensive is better.

I didn’t know Luke was Jesus. But then Jesus wasn’t Jesus so I suppose it shouldn’t be surprising.

[Neutraligon]

Okay, fine. Why do you disapprove of it?

Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).

Sex isn't good just because it's reproductive, it's an expression of affection between a husband and wife that is mutually pleasurable.

And you don't think that sex between a man and hi husband is an expression of affection that is mutually pleasurable?

[Bienenhalde]

Opposing all non-reproductive sex, regardless of sex, gender, or sexual orientation is consistent. And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.

It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.

Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?

[Soviet Computocracy]

Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?

I’m hoping you’re asking ironically.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.

Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?

To satisfy your spouse.

[Salus Maior]

And Gentiles.
Literate is fine, but comprehensive is better.

I didn’t know Luke was Jesus. But then Jesus wasn’t Jesus so I suppose it shouldn’t be surprising.

You realize that Luke is one of the Gospel writers, right?

Edit: Also your sources are garbage and have numerous mistakes.

One of which being that Apollonius wasn't born in Tarsus, but Tyana.

[Grenartia]

There's a variety of medical reasons why (too many to list), and there's the other reasons, such as: fear of needles/surgery/etc., being comfortable with having a penis, having concerns about complications from surgery (not even specifically SRS, just surgery in general), etc.

These are all valid reasons and should be respected as such.

Perhaps, but it would still seem like the benefits, even just socially, would outweigh the risks.

That isn't for you or me or anyone else to decide. Its for the person in question, and only the person in question.

The only illogical and inconsistent principle here is the anti-contraception, anti-non-reproductive sex position.

Opposing all non-reproductive sex, regardless of sex, gender, or sexual orientation is consistent.

Sure it is consistent, but still illogical and unethical.

And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.

Not gonna lie, that's quite ridiculous.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).

Sex isn't good just because it's reproductive, it's an expression of affection between a husband and wife that is mutually pleasurable.

And you don't think that sex between a man and hi husband is an expression of affection that is mutually pleasurable?

For some it may be, but I think that it is illicit for other reasons.

[Grenartia]

It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.

Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?

Hot take: its not inherently bad to desire sexual satisfaction.