Unaddressed issues: The Religious case for Trans acceptance

[Soviet Computocracy]

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

He may have left it out, but don’t forget the T.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) Unless you acknowledge the transwoman as a woman.
2) I'm don't think the Orthodox Church should allow lesbian marriage, so I'm fine with that.
3) The word has evolved to mean something else.
4) Yes.

1. You specifically cited anal as sodomy, and agree that oral counts as sodomy, too. How is a pre-SRS or non-SRS trans woman supposed to consummate her marriage without engaging in sodomy?

2. That's precisely the problem.

3. Its about damn time it revert back, then.

1) Ideally the surgery would be widely available, so this wouldn't be necessary, but alternatively I'm sure there are other ways without getting too explicit.
2) I don't see how that's really a problem.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, you're being unnecessarily bitter to a guy who's trying to be accepting of you.

I’m not interested in being accepted under the conditions of celibacy and broad referential dictatorship.

No one said anything about either of those.

[Grenartia]

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

He may have left it out, but don’t forget the T.

Well, that's my point. LGB people and Trans people are a package deal, just like electricity and magnetism.

[Salus Maior]

Well, you're being unnecessarily bitter to a guy who's trying to be accepting of you.

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

Daily reminder that you're owed literally nothing and are entitled to nothing. UMN doesn't have to do anything for you.

Out of the goodness of his heart he's saying and believing that trans people have a fair shot of participating faithfully in his religion without going through mental gymnastics. And he doesn't have to believe that way, but he's doing it because he cares both about people who suffer through that condition and about practicing his religion faithfully.

And you wonder why the intersectional movement gets so much hate and distrust.

[Soviet Computocracy]

1) Ideally the surgery would be widely available, so this wouldn't be necessary, but alternatively I'm sure there are other ways without getting too explicit.

Have you considered it for yourself?

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) Ideally the surgery would be widely available, so this wouldn't be necessary, but alternatively I'm sure there are other ways without getting too explicit.

Have you considered it for yourself?

I don't know why I would.

[Soviet Computocracy]

Out of the goodness of his heart he's saying and believing that trans people have a fair shot of participating faithfully in his religion without going through mental gymnastics.

Arian, Gnostic, Catholic, Pelegian, Sabellian, Montanist, Protestant, Islam

[Soviet Computocracy]

I don't know why I would.

I don’t why I should either, though personally I identify as non-binary.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I don't know why I would.

I don’t why I should either, though personally I identify as non-binary.

I mean, if you identified as a woman, I think it would be rather obvious why you would consider it.

[Grenartia]

1. You specifically cited anal as sodomy, and agree that oral counts as sodomy, too. How is a pre-SRS or non-SRS trans woman supposed to consummate her marriage without engaging in sodomy?

2. That's precisely the problem.

3. Its about damn time it revert back, then.

1) Ideally the surgery would be widely available, so this wouldn't be necessary, but alternatively I'm sure there are other ways without getting too explicit.
2) I don't see how that's really a problem.

1. And what of those of us who don't want the surgery, or have complicated reasons why we can't get it? And from where I'm looking, there's no real alternatives that wouldn't count as sodomy, since it pretty much includes everything that isn't PIV.

2. Which is, in and of itself, a problem.

[Salus Maior]

Well, you're being unnecessarily bitter to a guy who's trying to be accepting of you.

I’m not interested in being accepted under the conditions of celibacy and broad referential dictatorship.

1. He didn't say that.

2. Nobody's asking you to join his religion. But for those who do find interest in Orthodoxy, he's saying that there might be a way for them to join faithfully.

I think that sentiment is not deserving of snark calling him a "heretic".

[Grenartia]

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

Daily reminder that you're owed literally nothing and are entitled to nothing. UMN doesn't have to do anything for you.

Out of the goodness of his heart he's saying and believing that trans people have a fair shot of participating faithfully in his religion without going through mental gymnastics. And he doesn't have to believe that way, but he's doing it because he cares both about people who suffer through that condition and about practicing his religion faithfully.

And I don't owe him anything for half-assing an attempt to accept us.

And you wonder why the intersectional movement gets so much hate and distrust.

And you wonder why Christianity is a dying religion.

[Bienenhalde]

3) The word has evolved to mean something else.
4) Yes.

I understand what you are saying, but I still think sodomy is a very loaded term, and I would prefer you did not use it.

[Salus Maior]

Out of the goodness of his heart he's saying and believing that trans people have a fair shot of participating faithfully in his religion without going through mental gymnastics.

Arian, Gnostic, Catholic, Pelegian, Sabellian, Montanist, Protestant, Islam

None of those being Eastern Orthodoxy?

Nevermind that I have no idea why you're listing those.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1) Ideally the surgery would be widely available, so this wouldn't be necessary, but alternatively I'm sure there are other ways without getting too explicit.
2) I don't see how that's really a problem.

1. And what of those of us who don't want the surgery, or have complicated reasons why we can't get it? And from where I'm looking, there's no real alternatives that wouldn't count as sodomy, since it pretty much includes everything that isn't PIV.

2. Which is, in and of itself, a problem.

1) Well, I'd rather not make this convo explicit, but there's a way I can think of which isn't. As for those who don't want it, that is a problem for them, but I don't really know how non-binary people fit into the Christian conception of sex and gender, and frankly I haven't given it much thought.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Daily reminder that you're owed literally nothing and are entitled to nothing. UMN doesn't have to do anything for you.

Out of the goodness of his heart he's saying and believing that trans people have a fair shot of participating faithfully in his religion without going through mental gymnastics. And he doesn't have to believe that way, but he's doing it because he cares both about people who suffer through that condition and about practicing his religion faithfully.

And I don't owe him anything for half-assing an attempt to accept us.

And you wonder why the intersectional movement gets so much hate and distrust.

And you wonder why Christianity is a dying religion.

I'm not attempting to accept anyone, I genuinely believe this.

[Salus Maior]

And you wonder why Christianity is a dying religion.

In the European West, which is also dying but that's another discussion.

And regardless, intersectionalism will have its time.

[Grenartia]

1. And what of those of us who don't want the surgery, or have complicated reasons why we can't get it? And from where I'm looking, there's no real alternatives that wouldn't count as sodomy, since it pretty much includes everything that isn't PIV.

2. Which is, in and of itself, a problem.

1) Well, I'd rather not make this convo explicit, but there's a way I can think of which isn't.

I'm extremely interested in hearing what this alleged way is.

As for those who don't want it, that is a problem for them, but I don't really know how non-binary people fit into the Christian conception of sex and gender, and frankly I haven't given it much thought.

Well, perhaps you should. And while you're at it, give consideration to the binary trans girls who don't want/can't get it.

[Bienenhalde]

Well, you're being unnecessarily bitter to a guy who's trying to be accepting of you.

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

I am more concerned that he is being inconsistent by tolerating contraception and other forms of non-reproductive sex.

[Grenartia]

And you wonder why Christianity is a dying religion.

In the European West, which is also dying but that's another discussion.

I don't believe you.

And regardless, intersectionalism will have its time.

Perhaps, but that day is not today.

[Soviet Computocracy]

I don’t why I should either, though personally I identify as non-binary.

I mean, if you identified as a woman, I think it would be rather obvious why you would consider it.

But I don’t, I identify as a mix of things. I suppose I’m not clean cut enough then? Perhaps if I put on a suit?

[Grenartia]

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

I am more concerned that he is being inconsistent by tolerating contraception and other forms of non-reproductive sex.

That's actually something I applaud him for.

[Bienenhalde]

I am more concerned that he is being inconsistent by tolerating contraception and other forms of non-reproductive sex.

That's actually something I applaud him for.

Why should anyone be applauded for being illogical and inconsistent?

[Washington Resistance Army]

He needs to try harder, specifically regarding LGB people in general. We're a package deal.

I am more concerned that he is being inconsistent by tolerating contraception and other forms of non-reproductive sex.

There's no problem with non-reproductive sex between a husband and wife or whatnot in most Christian denominations, is there?