Unaddressed issues: The Religious case for Trans acceptance

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Im not a doctor, i dont know how to treat your mental illness.

The best way to treat gender dysphoria is a combination of psychotherapy, and letting them transition.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Without getting into LGB issues, the transgender issue presents a dilemma for Christianity, namely, that there is little to no debate on the issue historically, it simply wasn't an issue that was discussed in the historical literature, or, if it was, it wasn't discussed enough to leave significant record. While there is a good historical argument to be made that homosexuality was against traditional Christian doctrine, it is very difficult to make that argument with transsexuality. Because of this, in my opinion, traditional Christianity has to formulate a response, and the question that this raises is "Is the current default stance (that it's a sin) consistent with Christian teachings?" I call this the default stance because most Christian groups haven't discussed the issue and just issue the default statements that it's wrong because it seems to be the conservative thing to do, or because of its links to the LGB movement overall, which is seen as sinful. However, for many groups, my own Eastern Orthodox Church included, these statements are not binding as they are not dogmatic statements made via council.

Because there is so little material in terms of little commandments on the issue, in my opinion, it is necessary for a Christian to look at how the issue relates to the "Two Great Commandments", which Christ said were to "Love God" and "Love thy neighbor as yourself." Because there are no little commandments, we don't know if it is unloving towards God to allow people to transition, so I will focus on the second. As many are probably aware, suicide rates among trans youth are extremely high, repression for gender dysphoria is rarely successful, and it is a miserable condition in which the sufferers feel alien to their own bodies. Would any of us wish to be in such a condition? I don't think so, so it seems to me that it is unloving to disallow it to others. Some will make the argument that transition is sinful, so it isn't loving to allow it, however, suicide is a much greater sin than transition is in any case, and so it would be better to allow transition than to allow a much more serious sin that would be difficult to repent of.

So, that is my argument, from a Christian perspective, that trans people transitioning is licit. What do other Christians say, do any irreligious people have issues with this argument?

Trans people are mentally ill, and should be treated as such. Only in leftist hippy commie clownworld are we supposed to play pretend with these "people" and take them seriously. LGBTQ culture is also degenerate, with 20% of gay men saying theyve had 500+ sexual partners. Its disgusting honestly.

Why is "people" in quotations?

[Northern Davincia]

Im not a doctor, i dont know how to treat your mental illness.

The best way to treat gender dysphoria is a combination of psychotherapy, and letting them transition.

The existence of people who have reversed the transition process make me skeptical that transitioning is the best way.

[Novus America]

The best way to treat gender dysphoria is a combination of psychotherapy, and letting them transition.

The existence of people who have reversed the transition process make me skeptical that transitioning is the best way.

What about the existence of people who are extremely happy with the result and see their mental health greatly improve?

It is not the best thing for everyone, but is the best thing for many people.

[Northern Davincia]

The existence of people who have reversed the transition process make me skeptical that transitioning is the best way.

What about the existence of people who are extremely happy with the result and see their mental health greatly improve?

It is not the best thing for everyone, but is the best thing for many people.

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

It's a last resort if anything.

[Novus America]

What about the existence of people who are extremely happy with the result and see their mental health greatly improve?

It is not the best thing for everyone, but is the best thing for many people.

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

It's a last resort if anything.

“Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria”
Did you not see that part? Your own source says it helps.

Sure it is not a silver bullet for everyone.
Nobody said it is. That does not mean it should be rejected.

Even after transition there is a higher risk than the general population but the real question is how they compare to those who want to transition but have not.

Again your own source says it helps but that better follow up care is needed.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

What about the existence of people who are extremely happy with the result and see their mental health greatly improve?

It is not the best thing for everyone, but is the best thing for many people.

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

It's a last resort if anything.

Of course, transition isn't a perfect fix, people with GD also need psychotherapy, but transitioning and having people treat you as the gender you identify as help a lot.

[Cataluna]

Have the reactionaries in this thread ever maybe considered that the reason people kill themselves after transitioning is that transphobes make their life trash?

[Kowani]

Have the reactionaries in this thread ever maybe considered that the reason people kill themselves after transitioning is that transphobes make their life trash?

Can I just say how much I approve of your sig?

[Cataluna]

Have the reactionaries in this thread ever maybe considered that the reason people kill themselves after transitioning is that transphobes make their life trash?

Can I just say how much I approve of your sig?

Thanks <3 Yours isn't half bad either.

I'd like to respond to an earlier statement that nothing true can be known about reality. To that, I'd like to say: skepticism is about as good as thinning shears. It can be good to trim off little bits and pieces, but it's outright destructive to apply it regularly. Additionally, the fact that you think you know me better than I know me is a little bit condescending and certainly untrue. I know myself better than I know you, and so it is reasonable to conclude that the opposite is true. The fact of the matter is, you know very little about what goes into gender, but somehow your religious book qualifies you to make a sweeping scientific statement. This isn't the 1700's, hon.

[Kowani]

Can I just say how much I approve of your sig?

Thanks <3 Yours isn't half bad either.

I'd like to respond to an earlier statement that nothing true can be known about reality. To that, I'd like to say: skepticism is about as good as thinning shears. It can be good to trim off little bits and pieces, but it's outright destructive to apply it regularly. Additionally, the fact that you think you know me better than I know me is a little bit condescending and certainly untrue. I know myself better than I know you, and so it is reasonable to conclude that the opposite is true. The fact of the matter is, you know very little about what goes into gender, but somehow your religious book qualifies you to make a sweeping scientific statement. This isn't the 1700's, hon.

The only person who knows anyone better than they know themselves is their best friend. And Google and Facebook.

[Soviet Computocracy]

The best way to treat gender dysphoria is a combination of psychotherapy, and letting them transition.

The existence of people who have reversed the transition process make me skeptical that transitioning is the best way.

They’re a minority.

[Cataluna]

The existence of people who have reversed the transition process make me skeptical that transitioning is the best way.

They’re a minority.

Precisely. It's like the people who say childfree women shouldn't be able to get sterilized because some people regret it. In both cases, the numbers are less than 4%. If I have a 96% chance of being happy about my body, I'll take it.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Have the reactionaries in this thread ever maybe considered that the reason people kill themselves after transitioning is that transphobes make their life trash?

Well, some also kill themselves because of the dysphoria itself, don't they? Though the opposition to transitioning certainly plays a role.

[Cataluna]

Have the reactionaries in this thread ever maybe considered that the reason people kill themselves after transitioning is that transphobes make their life trash?

Well, some also kill themselves because of the dysphoria itself, don't they? Though the opposition to transitioning certainly plays a role.

Certainly, it does, but I was referring specifically to the (untrue, btw) assertion that trans people are more likely to kill themselves after the transition. Though I haven't transitioned yet, it seems to me that a lot of my dysphoria would be alleviated during and after my transition.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, some also kill themselves because of the dysphoria itself, don't they? Though the opposition to transitioning certainly plays a role.

Certainly, it does, but I was referring specifically to the (untrue, btw) assertion that trans people are more likely to kill themselves after the transition. Though I haven't transitioned yet, it seems to me that a lot of my dysphoria would be alleviated during and after my transition.

Ah.