It's not inconsistent because it being non-reproductive has nothing to do with why I disapprove of it.
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by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:08 pm
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:08 pm
Salus Maior wrote:I think that sentiment is not deserving of snark calling him a "heretic".
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:09 pm
Grenartia wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:1) Well, I'd rather not make this convo explicit, but there's a way I can think of which isn't.
1) I'm extremely interested in hearing what this alleged way is.As for those who don't want it, that is a problem for them, but I don't really know how non-binary people fit into the Christian conception of sex and gender, and frankly I haven't given it much thought.
Well, perhaps you should. And while you're at it, give consideration to the binary trans girls who don't want/can't get it.
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:10 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:11 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:12 pm
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:13 pm
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:16 pm
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:16 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Are you Jewish?
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:17 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).
So are you saying we should literally obey everything in the New Testament even if nobody can understand why God would command such a thing?
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:19 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1) I'm extremely interested in hearing what this alleged way is.
Well, perhaps you should. And while you're at it, give consideration to the binary trans girls who don't want/can't get it.
1) I'll TG you.
2) I'm actually curious, why wouldn't they be able to get it, and why wouldn't they want it? Are the reasons they might not want it possible to overcome in the future?
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:21 pm
Grenartia wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:1) I'll TG you.
2) I'm actually curious, why wouldn't they be able to get it, and why wouldn't they want it? Are the reasons they might not want it possible to overcome in the future?
There's a variety of medical reasons why (too many to list), and there's the other reasons, such as: fear of needles/surgery/etc., being comfortable with having a penis, having concerns about complications from surgery (not even specifically SRS, just surgery in general), etc.
These are all valid reasons and should be respected as such.
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:22 pm
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:23 pm
Soviet Computocracy wrote:Salus Maior wrote:Are you Jewish?
I’m literate, the NT was written by Greeks for Jews.
Mathew 15:24
https://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history ... ity-005814
http://www.truthbeknown.com/apollonius.html
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:24 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Grenartia wrote:
The only illogical and inconsistent principle here is the anti-contraception, anti-non-reproductive sex position.
Opposing all non-reproductive sex, regardless of sex, gender, or sexual orientation is consistent. And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:28 pm
by Neutraligon » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:28 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:
Okay, fine. Why do you disapprove of it?
Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).
Sex isn't good just because it's reproductive, it's an expression of affection between a husband and wife that is mutually pleasurable.
by Bienenhalde » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:29 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:Opposing all non-reproductive sex, regardless of sex, gender, or sexual orientation is consistent. And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.
It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.
by Soviet Computocracy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:30 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:34 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.
Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?
by Salus Maior » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:34 pm
Soviet Computocracy wrote:
I didn’t know Luke was Jesus. But then Jesus wasn’t Jesus so I suppose it shouldn’t be surprising.
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:34 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Grenartia wrote:
There's a variety of medical reasons why (too many to list), and there's the other reasons, such as: fear of needles/surgery/etc., being comfortable with having a penis, having concerns about complications from surgery (not even specifically SRS, just surgery in general), etc.
These are all valid reasons and should be respected as such.
Perhaps, but it would still seem like the benefits, even just socially, would outweigh the risks.
And I am also concerned that human sexual desire leads to materialism and separation from God.
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:34 pm
Neutraligon wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because God, at least to the best of my knowledge, disapproves of it (though I'd rather not argue about this stuff).
Sex isn't good just because it's reproductive, it's an expression of affection between a husband and wife that is mutually pleasurable.
And you don't think that sex between a man and hi husband is an expression of affection that is mutually pleasurable?
by Grenartia » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:36 pm
Bienenhalde wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:It does when you view human sexual desire through a shallow lens, of only wishing to satisfy oneself like lech, but there is also one's spouse.
Okay...but if desiring sexual satisfaction is bad, then why should anyone seek a spouse, other than to have children?
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