Haftar to Take Over Libya

[Atheris]

Try telling NATO that. They will tell you your nuts.

NATO should be disbanded. It is a force for evil.

well it's done a good job of preventing the spread of communism and blatant totalitarianism (not saying there's a difference), so there's that

[Costa Fierro]

What does NSG say?

The West already likes him enough to help him so it's...meh. Dictatorships beget violence and violence begets dictatorships.

[First American Empire]

Let's see; genocide, destroying entire communities, more genocide, gas chambers, secret police..Need I continue?

That was National Socialism, not fascism if we really want to get down to the details.

Fascism had no hand in that; that was a crime of National Socialism.

National Socialism is a subset of Fascism.

[Farnhamia]

That was National Socialism, not fascism if we really want to get down to the details.

Fascism had no hand in that; that was a crime of National Socialism.

National Socialism is a subset of Fascism.

And neither of them are relevant to the situation in Libya.

[Shofercia]

A)Never herd of him
B)He sounds like Gaddafi 2.0

He's quite popular in Libya, and he's Khadaffi 2.0.

This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers - free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Weren't the Berbers initially anti-Khadaffi? Or am I thinking of someone else?

BTW guys - in the poll I stated that I really needed more info on the local fighters - so if you have any, please share! Also about the poll, National Salvation Government is only semi-crazy, it's not the ISIS option. There is no ISIS option, because I thought that the Hasslehoff option is more valuable than ISIS.

This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers - free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Don't worry. The fact the he's a dictator will just means he will get his but handed to by NATO.

I always wanted to use an Ajunta Pall meme from KOTOR on NSG, and now I get my chance:

I don't care who* wins, I just want the war to be over. The Libyan Civil War has gone on long enough. If Haftar can win the war, at least it'll bring peace.

*As long as its not theocratic extremists, but the National Salvation Government doesn't stand a chance anyway.

That, and the Libyans aren't going to accept the crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

Thanks Peace Price Barry and Hillary, you did a heckuva job!

He came.
He ran.
She lost.

Can we just say Gadhafi is a sun-addled piece of shit who's getting the bishie sparkle treatment now due to what succeeded his dead trussed ass?

As far as dictators go, he was relatively nice. As far as Libyan Leaders go, he was very nice.

[Shofercia]

What does NSG say?

The West already likes him enough to help him so it's...meh. Dictatorships beget violence and violence begets dictatorships.

Ouch! That's like a dagger to the heart of the UN Government. If he lets half of the UN approved Government escape to Tunis, and tars the other half, he'll live up to his name - Haftar.

National Socialism is a subset of Fascism.

And neither of them are relevant to the situation in Libya.

Thank you Farn. I never cease to be amazed how NSG can drive absolutely anything off topic, and nearly always manage to bring up Nazis.

It was an authoritarian hellhole in 2009.

It was also one of the wealthiest and safest countries on the entire continent and was just generally a pretty modern nation.

What the EU did to Libya is right up there with how we handled Iraq.

Maybe the US and EU were having a competition - who can fuck up a country quicker? If Haftar wins, and Iraq remains in chaos - the US will retain it's number one ranking for fucking up countries. USA! USA! USA!

It was also one of the wealthiest and safest countries on the entire continent and was just generally a pretty modern nation.

What the EU did to Libya is right up there with how we handled Iraq.

Libya was on its way to becoming a “rich dictatorship”, and Qaddafi was far more libertarian than other dictators. In fact, I think if his regime had gone on, he would’ve either declared democracy like Pinochet or his death would’ve brought democracy, like Post-Franco Spain

that's a very interesting point. If Khadaffi managed to finish his reforms, and then died, would the Libyans have been able to slowly transition to a democracy?

1) May Allah SWT bring Al-Islam back into Libya, aameen
2) May Allah SWT bring peace back into Libya, aameen
3) May Allah SWT make whoever wins over Libya a great Muslim leader, aameen
4) Qadhaafi was cool.

So you're a fan of the Green Book?

A general winning a civil war, who would have guessed

[Thermodolia]

No. There was no migrant crisis when Ghaddafi was still kicking. Libya was better in 2009 than it is right now.

It was an authoritarian hellhole in 2009. Say what you will of what came after Gadhafi, and I certainly won't claim it's now better -- just a differently flavored turd, something I wouldn't wish on Libyans of this or any other generation, let alone the rest of the world.

A stable authoritarian hell hole is better than anarchy

[Costa Fierro]

Ouch! That's like a dagger to the heart of the UN Government. If he lets half of the UN approved Government escape to Tunis, and tars the other half, he'll live up to his name - Haftar.

It's to be expected. The West was friendly with Ghaddafi when it suited them, they'll be the same with Haftar. Plus having him in would probably stem the tide of refugees into Europe. I'm sure the right wing governments in places like Hungary and Italy would be more than happy to do deals with him if it means keeping migrants in Libya.

[New Sukberia]

Don't worry. The fact the he's a dictator will just means he will get his but handed to by NATO.

They have destroyed that country enough already. They should mind their own business.

That's what happens to dictators. They get destroyed.

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The situation in Libya exemplifies regime change in the 21st century, but how few people in the West are even aware of it? We here on NSG are political junkies but outside of our "bubble" there are people who haven't even heard the word "Libya" uttered in years. There's no way you'll hear about it on Fox News and CNN, and if you pick up the Washington Post or New York Times you're not going to read the whole truth. The military industrial complex does better when people are so ignorant of such matters that one can't even appreciate the juxtaposition of a tweet by Hillary Clinton gloating about the overthrow of Gaddafi and a picture of a 2019 slave auction.

And now the warmongers in the corporate media are wanting to do it all over again in Venezuela.

What exactly is it going to take to be done with this madness of "regime change"?

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That's what happens to dictators. They get destroyed.

There's always someone trying to destroy a dictator and there's always someone trying to prop up a dictator, but whether the media roots for destruction or sanitizes the dictator's image and calls him a reformer depends on whose sphere of influence the dictator serves under.

[Duhon]

It was an authoritarian hellhole in 2009. Say what you will of what came after Gadhafi, and I certainly won't claim it's now better -- just a differently flavored turd, something I wouldn't wish on Libyans of this or any other generation, let alone the rest of the world.

A stable authoritarian hell hole is better than anarchy

If your dick ain't stuck in it, then of course a stable authoritarian hellhole is far better than anarchy. You're not the one suffering, they fucking are!

[Dresderstan]

We should have never tried to get rid of Gaddafi anyway.

[New Sukberia]

We should have never tried to get rid of Gaddafi anyway.

Yeah, it's better one dictator than a weak gouvernment.

Neville Chamberlain sends his regards.

[New Sukberia]

Try telling NATO that. They will tell you your nuts.

NATO should be disbanded. It is a force for evil.

Shills are allways annoyed that the Free World stands united for 70 years.

Libya should be returned to Italy to administer. With stable governance being good for Libya and a place for economic migrants to live good for Italy.

It's awful, and i hate Salvini, but unironically this.

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It's awful, and i hate Salvini, but unironically this.

Colonialism made this mess in the first place 100 years ago. Half the conflict in the Middle East traces its lineage back to Sykes-Picot.

[New Sukberia]

It's awful, and i hate Salvini, but unironically this.

Colonialism made this mess in the first place 100 years ago. Half the conflict in the Middle East traces its lineage back to Sykes-Picot.

CORRECTION:

Contries made-up by our (the West) lazy attemps at decolonisation, made this mess. Had we Balkanise countries like Irak or Syria, then they would be no inter-ethnic / religious conflicts.

[Risottia]

This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers -

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Your Haftar buddy is actually supported by France, didn't you know?

[Risottia]

Libya should be returned to Italy to administer.

Fuck no. We already got enough regions sucking off money and contributing nothing without adding a bloody desert inhabited by slavers and crimelords.

With stable governance being good for Libya and a place for economic migrants to live good for Italy.

"Stable governance" with M5S and Lega Nord.

Here's a deal: how about we dump M5S and LN (both politicians and supporters) in Libya, and we take in all the migrants currently detained by the Libyan slavers?

[Duhon]

Here's a deal: how about we dump M5S and LN (both politicians and supporters) in Libya, and we take in all the migrants currently detained by the Libyan slavers?

Fully and unironically for this.

[New Sukberia]

This is welcome news. Libya is to belong once more to the Libyan Berbers -

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

free of Wahhabist and Western interference, hopefully.

Your Haftar buddy is actually supported by France, didn't you know?

We support him? Ah fuck, we really don't know how to choose our friends.

[Duhon]

Colonialism made this mess in the first place 100 years ago. Half the conflict in the Middle East traces its lineage back to Sykes-Picot.

CORRECTION:

Contries made-up by our (the West) lazy attemps at decolonisation, made this mess. Had we Balkanise countries like Irak or Syria, then they would be no inter-ethnic / religious conflicts.

No, there still would be, only instead of just Iraq and Syria there'd be six more. At some point ya gotta dance what brung ya, and the Middle East has done all but piss on that front.

[New Sukberia]

CORRECTION:

Contries made-up by our (the West) lazy attemps at decolonisation, made this mess. Had we Balkanise countries like Irak or Syria, then they would be no inter-ethnic / religious conflicts.

No, there still would be, only instead of just Iraq and Syria there'd be six more. At some point ya gotta dance what brung ya, and the Middle East has done all but piss on that front.

Mixing different nationalities, ethnicities and religions in a single country then give the power to a minority-led dictatorship, doesn't really seem a good idea.

[Panslavicland]

Haftar and the LNA have the backing of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, so I agree he would be the best option to take control of the whole country.

[New haven america]

Colonialism made this mess in the first place 100 years ago. Half the conflict in the Middle East traces its lineage back to Sykes-Picot.

CORRECTION:

Contries made-up by our (the West) lazy attemps at decolonisation, made this mess. Had we Balkanise countries like Irak or Syria, then they would be no inter-ethnic / religious conflicts.

Actually, it's the exact opposite, Iraq and Syria (As well as: Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, Yemen, Oman, and The UAE) are the balkanized version of what should've been Greater Arabia, which is what Arab leaders at the time wanted.

Also, the Middle East has been trying to kill itself for 3000 or so years, stuff like the above is just the most recent reason they've found to try and kill each other over.