Haftar to Take Over Libya

[Yusseria]

Good lord, the delusion here is incredible.

Not everybody likes democracy, not everybody wants democracy. If that was the case then the provisional government would have solved Libya's problems, yet evidently it did not. It proved itself to be pathetically ineffective. This is why now people are flocking to yet another military strongman. Democracy failed.

Competent government is not an exclusively democratic domain, and the provisional government has suffered and continues to suffer from from a dearth of talent, territory, and goodwill.

That is why Libyans -- and people who want Libyans and others to flock to authoritarian dicks like Haftar -- flock to Haftar. Not a hatred of democracy, but a lack of better options.

Would they have flocked to the provisional government had it been more competently manned? Duh. Would they have proven more receptive to democracy, properly and sincerely implemented? Duh. Does Haftar's rise prove that Libyans, or any other set of people, are somehow predisposed to authoritarians and their authoritarian dicks? Fuck no.

Competent democracies have been overthrown before, fam.

[Thermodolia]

A stable authoritarian hell hole is better than anarchy

If your dick ain't stuck in it, then of course a stable authoritarian hellhole is far better than anarchy. You're not the one suffering, they fucking are!

I’d rather a dictator be in charge of Libya than anarchy and chaos. At least a dictator has a nation we can deal with and most importantly one we don’t have to have troops constantly in. See Iraq and Afghanistan.

We never should have invaded Iraq. If we wanted Saddam gone we should have propped up one of his generals in a coup. In Afghanistan we should have let the Northern Alliance leaders be in control of the entire nation instead of democracy.


Democracy doesn’t seem to work in a place where strongmen, absolute monarchs, and theocracies have ruled for centuries

[Nea Byzantia]

If your dick ain't stuck in it, then of course a stable authoritarian hellhole is far better than anarchy. You're not the one suffering, they fucking are!

I’d rather a dictator be in charge of Libya than anarchy and chaos. At least a dictator has a nation we can deal with and most importantly one we don’t have to have troops constantly in. See Iraq and Afghanistan.

We never should have invaded Iraq. If we wanted Saddam gone we should have propped up one of his generals in a coup. In Afghanistan we should have let the Northern Alliance leaders be in control of the entire nation instead of democracy.


Democracy doesn’t seem to work in a place where strongmen, absolute monarchs, and theocracies have ruled for centuries

Amen.

[Duhon]

If your dick ain't stuck in it, then of course a stable authoritarian hellhole is far better than anarchy. You're not the one suffering, they fucking are!

I’d rather a dictator be in charge of Libya than anarchy and chaos. At least a dictator has a nation we can deal with and most importantly one we don’t have to have troops constantly in. See Iraq and Afghanistan.

We never should have invaded Iraq. If we wanted Saddam gone we should have propped up one of his generals in a coup. In Afghanistan we should have let the Northern Alliance leaders be in control of the entire nation instead of democracy.


Democracy doesn’t seem to work in a place where strongmen, absolute monarchs, and theocracies have ruled for centuries

Europe.

[Duhon]

Competent government is not an exclusively democratic domain, and the provisional government has suffered and continues to suffer from from a dearth of talent, territory, and goodwill.

That is why Libyans -- and people who want Libyans and others to flock to authoritarian dicks like Haftar -- flock to Haftar. Not a hatred of democracy, but a lack of better options.

Would they have flocked to the provisional government had it been more competently manned? Duh. Would they have proven more receptive to democracy, properly and sincerely implemented? Duh. Does Haftar's rise prove that Libyans, or any other set of people, are somehow predisposed to authoritarians and their authoritarian dicks? Fuck no.

Competent democracies have been overthrown before, fam.

I don't follow.

[Yusseria]

Competent democracies have been overthrown before, fam.

I don't follow.

My point is competent democracies aren't immune to being overthrown, and people won't flock to a democracy just because it's a democracy. A democracy won't magically unite people or solve a country's problems. It didn't happen in Iraq, it isn't happening in Afghanistan, and it sure as shit won't happen in Libya. It's purely Western arrogance to pretend like it will, yet for some reason we can't get this through our thick fucking skulls.

[Genivaria]

Recent Update, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres Meets Commander Haftar.

[Thermodolia]

I’d rather a dictator be in charge of Libya than anarchy and chaos. At least a dictator has a nation we can deal with and most importantly one we don’t have to have troops constantly in. See Iraq and Afghanistan.

We never should have invaded Iraq. If we wanted Saddam gone we should have propped up one of his generals in a coup. In Afghanistan we should have let the Northern Alliance leaders be in control of the entire nation instead of democracy.


Democracy doesn’t seem to work in a place where strongmen, absolute monarchs, and theocracies have ruled for centuries

Europe.

Wrong. Europe had some form of democracy for centuries. You had the Greek and a Roman democracies for centuries. During the medieval times you still had democracies all over Europe. Unlike Europe the Middle East has been ruled by strongmen for as long as democracy has been around in Europe

[Thermodolia]

I don't follow.

My point is competent democracies aren't immune to being overthrown, and people won't flock to a democracy just because it's a democracy. A democracy won't magically unite people or solve a country's problems. It didn't happen in Iraq, it isn't happening in Afghanistan, and it sure as shit won't happen in Libya. It's purely Western arrogance to pretend like it will, yet for some reason we can't get this through our thick fucking skulls.

South America and a lot of Africa is a good example of this

[Novus America]

Competent government is not an exclusively democratic domain, and the provisional government has suffered and continues to suffer from from a dearth of talent, territory, and goodwill.

That is why Libyans -- and people who want Libyans and others to flock to authoritarian dicks like Haftar -- flock to Haftar. Not a hatred of democracy, but a lack of better options.

Would they have flocked to the provisional government had it been more competently manned? Duh. Would they have proven more receptive to democracy, properly and sincerely implemented? Duh. Does Haftar's rise prove that Libyans, or any other set of people, are somehow predisposed to authoritarians and their authoritarian dicks? Fuck no.

Competent democracies have been overthrown before, fam.

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

[Novus America]

If your dick ain't stuck in it, then of course a stable authoritarian hellhole is far better than anarchy. You're not the one suffering, they fucking are!

I’d rather a dictator be in charge of Libya than anarchy and chaos. At least a dictator has a nation we can deal with and most importantly one we don’t have to have troops constantly in. See Iraq and Afghanistan.

We never should have invaded Iraq. If we wanted Saddam gone we should have propped up one of his generals in a coup. In Afghanistan we should have let the Northern Alliance leaders be in control of the entire nation instead of democracy.


Democracy doesn’t seem to work in a place where strongmen, absolute monarchs, and theocracies have ruled for centuries

I would say you are wrong but I cannot...
Think is democracy can only come AFTER a populace develops a national identity over a tribal mindset, AFTER enough of the populace is educated and modern enough.

Notice democracy came AFTER nationalism, AFTER the enlightenment.
A tribal place with a medieval mindset will not work for democracy.

[Thermodolia]

Competent democracies have been overthrown before, fam.

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

Chile is the only example I can think of a competent democracy that was overthrown

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Give the whole damn country back to Greece.

But srsly, I'm behind the National Accord. Democracy and freedom forever. If we could just give them a boost in development and get the citizens happy and un oppressed we might have Libya looking like Israel in ten years or so.

Honestly I think that would be the best.

Says the literal self-proclaimed fascist.

Fascism is not evil.

It is. Full stop, it is an evil garbage ideology that doesn't work.
Italy was fascist, and when they were fascist they sucked.

[Dresderstan]

Give the whole damn country back to Greece.

But srsly, I'm behind the National Accord. Democracy and freedom forever. If we could just give them a boost in development and get the citizens happy and un oppressed we might have Libya looking like Israel in ten years or so.

Honestly I think that would be the best.

No, let Haftar take over, and screw the so-called "democratic" National Accord.

[Thermodolia]

Give the whole damn country back to Greece.

But srsly, I'm behind the National Accord. Democracy and freedom forever. If we could just give them a boost in development and get the citizens happy and un oppressed we might have Libya looking like Israel in ten years or so.

Honestly I think that would be the best.

No, let Haftar take over, and screw the so-called "democratic" National Accord.

Hell after a few years democracy might be better off under Haftar than the GNA

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Give the whole damn country back to Greece.

But srsly, I'm behind the National Accord. Democracy and freedom forever. If we could just give them a boost in development and get the citizens happy and un oppressed we might have Libya looking like Israel in ten years or so.

Honestly I think that would be the best.

No, let Haftar take over, and screw the so-called "democratic" National Accord.

Bolster the democracy and inforce actual democracy.

The right to choose a nation's fate > bowing to some fuck wad who wants power.

[Dresderstan]

No, let Haftar take over, and screw the so-called "democratic" National Accord.

Bolster the democracy and inforce actual democracy.

The right to choose a nation's fate > bowing to some fuck wad who wants power.

No, democracy has become nothing more than a sham and a popularity contest, let Haftar take over, they don't want, nor need democracy too bad.

[Yusseria]

Competent democracies have been overthrown before, fam.

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

Chile and Argentina. You can find many examples in South America.

And, of course, the Russian Republic was a democratic provisional government that was overthrown and replaced with a commie dictatorship.

[Yusseria]

No, let Haftar take over, and screw the so-called "democratic" National Accord.

Bolster the democracy and inforce actual democracy.

The right to choose a nation's fate > bowing to some fuck wad who wants power.

Libya is deciding its fate. People are flocking to Haftar in droves. You want us to decide Libya's fate rather than the people.

[Novus America]

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

Chile is the only example I can think of a competent democracy that was overthrown

Have to disagree. Allende was a disaster. The economy collapsed and the country was in chaos.
It was not well run at the time.

[Thermodolia]

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

Chile and Argentina. You can find many examples in South America.

And, of course, the Russian Republic was a democratic provisional government that was overthrown and replaced with a commie dictatorship.

The Russian Provisional government wasn’t very competent.

[Genivaria]

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

Chile and Argentina. You can find many examples in South America.

And, of course, the Russian Republic was a democratic provisional government that was overthrown and replaced with a commie dictatorship.

Wasn't that in the middle of a world war though?
Not the most stabilizing of conditions.

[Novus America]

Example? Most overthrown democracies were horribly run.

Chile and Argentina. You can find many examples in South America.

And, of course, the Russian Republic was a democratic provisional government that was overthrown and replaced with a commie dictatorship.

Chile and Argentina were a mess before the coups, and the Russian Republic was a completely incompetent cluster fuck.

[Yusseria]

Chile and Argentina. You can find many examples in South America.

And, of course, the Russian Republic was a democratic provisional government that was overthrown and replaced with a commie dictatorship.

The Russian Provisional government wasn’t very competent.

Not the best example, I admit.

[Dresderstan]

Chile and Argentina. You can find many examples in South America.

And, of course, the Russian Republic was a democratic provisional government that was overthrown and replaced with a commie dictatorship.

Wasn't that in the middle of a world war though?
Not the most stabilizing of conditions.

They could have stabilized things, if they had just exited the war then and there. If they had exited there wouldn't have been a second revolution months later by the Bolsheviks.