Cannabis is Crappy

[Novus America]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

So how many deaths annually are attributable to the direct effects of cannabis use? And how does that compare (say) to tobacco use or alcohol consumption?

In all fairness though we have been aggressively trying to discourage tobacco use.
And effectively too.
If we want to treat it like tobacco, fine. But treat it like tobacco.

[Cannot think of a name]

Artisinal, organic marijuanas, grown with only the most natural of fertilisers.

It should come with zero surprises that this is in fact a 100% real thing. Though in an inversion, often the organic weed is cheaper because you're not offsetting the cost of the range of weird science you put in the soil. My brother's first batch was organic, then we went science and doubled the yield and potency turned out to be the way to go. But that was indoor. My buddies outdoor farm was organic and that had great yield, but he had a hard time selling it because at the time no one wanted outdoor.

[Ifreann]

In different ways, yes, I'd say.

In statistically provable ways, no.

Those aren't actually very harmful. Alcohol and tobacco are probably more harmful. Hell, there's probably more harmful sports. Maybe you should ban rugby.

Don't you go touching my fucking rugby.

I'm just saying, maybe we move the 2023 World Cup out of France. Maybe some other country should host it while France figures out if rugby is more dangerous than weed or less dangerous than tobacco. Maybe Ireland.

[Heloin]

In statistically provable ways, no.


Don't you go touching my fucking rugby.

I'm just saying, maybe we move to 2023 World Cup out of France. Maybe some other country should host it while France figures out if rugby is more dangerous than weed or less dangerous than tobacco. Maybe Ireland.

That is acceptable.

[Cannot think of a name]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

23 health benefits of marijuana.
That's Business Insider, not 420smoketheweedphishisawesome.com/twojoints.

[Novus America]

Artisinal, organic marijuanas, grown with only the most natural of fertilisers.

It should come with zero surprises that this is in fact a 100% real thing. Though in an inversion, often the organic weed is cheaper because you're not offsetting the cost of the range of weird science you put in the soil. My brother's first batch was organic, then we went science and doubled the yield and potency turned out to be the way to go. But that was indoor. My buddies outdoor farm was organic and that had great yield, but he had a hard time selling it because at the time no one wanted outdoor.

Technophobia, chemophobia and anti science are huge right now.
People apply it to other agricultural products, so logically they would to weed as well.
Especially as I would think the demographics of those who want “organic” food also probably overlap with greater weed use.

Indoor is I would imagine cleaner and better quality.

[Ifreann]

I'm just saying, maybe we move to 2023 World Cup out of France. Maybe some other country should host it while France figures out if rugby is more dangerous than weed or less dangerous than tobacco. Maybe Ireland.

That is acceptable.

Excellent.

[Cannot think of a name]

It should come with zero surprises that this is in fact a 100% real thing. Though in an inversion, often the organic weed is cheaper because you're not offsetting the cost of the range of weird science you put in the soil. My brother's first batch was organic, then we went science and doubled the yield and potency turned out to be the way to go. But that was indoor. My buddies outdoor farm was organic and that had great yield, but he had a hard time selling it because at the time no one wanted outdoor.

Technophobia, chemophobia and anti science are huge right now.
People apply it to other agricultural products, so logically they would to weed as well.
Especially as I would think the demographics of those who want “organic” food also probably overlap with greater weed use.

Indoor is I would imagine cleaner and better quality.

And more expensive. Honestly, that's the divide. No one who sells to dispensaries uses pesticides. For indoor use you just make sure your area is fucking clean, outdoor you either roll the dice or use other means to keep pests off it because it will effect the smoke, it's not like you can rinse weed like an apple.

But the widely accepted concoction of stuff you put in the soil to effect yield and potency are expensive, so that weed is more expensive (as opposed to the opposite being true with food). I'm blanking on what it's called because organic is also less popular so the default is common enough that you don't name it, except 'top shelf.'

Once it went completely legal in California one of the requirements was that it had to be tested before sale, so now you pretty much buy it based on THC or CBD levels depending on what you need.

[Novus America]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

23 health benefits of marijuana.
That's Business Insider, not 420smoketheweedphishisawesome.com/twojoints.

Well true, THC has legitimate medical uses. But it has downsides too.
I definitely support the AMA in that we should move it from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3.
I would think they are a reliable source on how drugs should be treated.

Much more than either the “devil’s lettuce weed teh ebul” crowd OR “weed is teh awesome, what day is it, elephants are really monkeys if you think about it man” crowd.

[Petrolheadia]

Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Why can't we actually let people take responsibility of their actions for once?

[Novus America]

Technophobia, chemophobia and anti science are huge right now.
People apply it to other agricultural products, so logically they would to weed as well.
Especially as I would think the demographics of those who want “organic” food also probably overlap with greater weed use.

Indoor is I would imagine cleaner and better quality.

And more expensive. Honestly, that's the divide. No one who sells to dispensaries uses pesticides. For indoor use you just make sure your area is fucking clean, outdoor you either roll the dice or use other means to keep pests off it because it will effect the smoke, it's not like you can rinse weed like an apple.

But the widely accepted concoction of stuff you put in the soil to effect yield and potency are expensive, so that weed is more expensive (as opposed to the opposite being true with food). I'm blanking on what it's called because organic is also less popular so the default is common enough that you don't name it, except 'top shelf.'

Once it went completely legal in California one of the requirements was that it had to be tested before sale, so now you pretty much buy it based on THC or CBD levels depending on what you need.

It would seem to be more expensive on a dollar per pound of plant, but is it more expensive on a dollar per THC basis?
If you are buying lower quality at a lower price per pound you are not necessarily saving money.

And that is a great point, rats, bugs and their turds are all natural and all organic.
You get that with your “all natural organic” stuff.

Though I would think the best, but most expensive approach would be to extract the THC so you no longer have the other plant matter in the way.

If I did smoke I would definitely want the indoor science stuff, over the outdoor organic stuff.
Even if you pay more you are not smoking literal shit.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.

Monumentally less so than alcohol, tobacco and legal prescription & over the counter drugs.

[Cannot think of a name]

And more expensive. Honestly, that's the divide. No one who sells to dispensaries uses pesticides. For indoor use you just make sure your area is fucking clean, outdoor you either roll the dice or use other means to keep pests off it because it will effect the smoke, it's not like you can rinse weed like an apple.

But the widely accepted concoction of stuff you put in the soil to effect yield and potency are expensive, so that weed is more expensive (as opposed to the opposite being true with food). I'm blanking on what it's called because organic is also less popular so the default is common enough that you don't name it, except 'top shelf.'

Once it went completely legal in California one of the requirements was that it had to be tested before sale, so now you pretty much buy it based on THC or CBD levels depending on what you need.

It would seem to be more expensive on a dollar per pound of plant, but is it more expensive on a dollar per THC basis?
If you are buying lower quality at a lower price per pound you are not necessarily saving money.

And that is a great point, rats, bugs and their turds are all natural and all organic.
You get that with your “all natural organic” stuff.

Though I would think the best, but most expensive approach would be to extract the THC so you no longer have the other plant matter in the way.

If I did smoke I would definitely want the indoor science stuff, over the outdoor organic stuff.
Even if you pay more you are not smoking literal shit.

Well, that's the evolution of every smoker when they go from realizing a zip of shwag doesn't get you as high as an eighth of sticky green. Usually that's also a process of graduating to a better 'guy.' With legalization you skip the shwag stage unless you're underage.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It would seem to be more expensive on a dollar per pound of plant, but is it more expensive on a dollar per THC basis?
If you are buying lower quality at a lower price per pound you are not necessarily saving money.

And that is a great point, rats, bugs and their turds are all natural and all organic.
You get that with your “all natural organic” stuff.

Though I would think the best, but most expensive approach would be to extract the THC so you no longer have the other plant matter in the way.

If I did smoke I would definitely want the indoor science stuff, over the outdoor organic stuff.
Even if you pay more you are not smoking literal shit.

Well, that's the evolution of every smoker when they go from realizing a zip of shwag doesn't get you as high as an eighth of sticky green. Usually that's also a process of graduating to a better 'guy.' With legalization you skip the shwag stage unless you're underage.

Is there less weed paranoia if you are somewhere where you don't have to be worried about being arrested for it? Or do you just get paranoid about something other than cops battering down your door?

[Thermodolia]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

I guess we can start with the internet

[Thermodolia]

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Why can't we actually let people take responsibility of their actions for once?

Non

[Telconi]

Well, that's the evolution of every smoker when they go from realizing a zip of shwag doesn't get you as high as an eighth of sticky green. Usually that's also a process of graduating to a better 'guy.' With legalization you skip the shwag stage unless you're underage.

Is there less weed paranoia if you are somewhere where you don't have to be worried about being arrested for it? Or do you just get paranoid about something other than cops battering down your door?

Nobody really got paranoid, this is in California, where the punishment for recreational use, even before official legalization was "Hey, put your roach out, I'm a cop".

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, that's the evolution of every smoker when they go from realizing a zip of shwag doesn't get you as high as an eighth of sticky green. Usually that's also a process of graduating to a better 'guy.' With legalization you skip the shwag stage unless you're underage.

Is there less weed paranoia if you are somewhere where you don't have to be worried about being arrested for it? Or do you just get paranoid about something other than cops battering down your door?

Well, if you overdo it (like with edibles) you can end up worrying you look like a spaced out freak, but only if looking like a spaced out freak bothers you. But now that it's legal folks are a tad too brazen. Like, c'mon guys. Let's meet the non-smokers halfway. They got off our back, maybe not just light up everywhere like dicks blowing vape in crowds etc. Pet peeve that I think is going to ruin it for everyone. It just got outlawed on LA's beaches.

I can only be anecdotal, my paranoia was entirely centered on 'being caught' so yeah, for me sure. But the increased paranoia as a side effect I can't really speak to.

[Telconi]

Is there less weed paranoia if you are somewhere where you don't have to be worried about being arrested for it? Or do you just get paranoid about something other than cops battering down your door?

Well, if you overdo it (like with edibles) you can end up worrying you look like a spaced out freak, but only if looking like a spaced out freak bothers you. But now that it's legal folks are a tad too brazen. Like, c'mon guys. Let's meet the non-smokers halfway. They got off our back, maybe not just light up everywhere like dicks blowing vape in crowds etc. Pet peeve that I think is going to ruin it for everyone. It just got outlawed on LA's beaches.

I can only be anecdotal, my paranoia was entirely centered on 'being caught' so yeah, for me sure. But the increased paranoia as a side effect I can't really speak to.

I did know one guy who would get like cripplingly paranoid, every set of headlights was a cop, every phone call was a disaster, etc. He stopped smoking long before the legalization passed though, so IDK if it'd be better now.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, if you overdo it (like with edibles) you can end up worrying you look like a spaced out freak, but only if looking like a spaced out freak bothers you. But now that it's legal folks are a tad too brazen. Like, c'mon guys. Let's meet the non-smokers halfway. They got off our back, maybe not just light up everywhere like dicks blowing vape in crowds etc. Pet peeve that I think is going to ruin it for everyone. It just got outlawed on LA's beaches.

I can only be anecdotal, my paranoia was entirely centered on 'being caught' so yeah, for me sure. But the increased paranoia as a side effect I can't really speak to.

I did know one guy who would get like cripplingly paranoid, every set of headlights was a cop, every phone call was a disaster, etc. He stopped smoking long before the legalization passed though, so IDK if it'd be better now.

They'll know we want a pizza!

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

If we banned everything that was harmful, we'd be living in a literal nanny state. Let people take their own risks by not arresting them for putting a substance in their own body.

[Dogmeat]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

That isn't the reason it was banned in the first place.

[The New California Republic]

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

If we banned everything that was harmful, we'd be living in a literal nanny state. Let people take their own risks by not arresting them for putting a substance in their own body.

And cannabis is further down the list than alcohol and tobacco.

[Scomagia]

I don't approve of the habit, but I wouldn't go so far as "eat shit and die".

Regardless, there's a strong correlation between cannabis use and both mental illness and low economic activity so we don't want use becoming more widespread. Users shouldn't go to prison as that's how you get people into crime and acquaintance with more dealers - confiscate the drugs and mandate regular visits from social services and compulsory participation in a treatment program.

Don't legalise, but stop it being a criminal/police matter except as last resort.

Wrong. There's a modest to weak correlation between heavy Cannabis use and certain mental illnesses. Importantly, however, there is no proven causative factor that demonstrates that Cannabis is responsible for the development or progression of mental illness. So, you're jumping the gun here. The correlation could mean that there's a causative relationship or it could just as likely mean that Cannabis provides some measure of relief from the symptoms of certain mental disorders, thus meaning that people with those conditions are more likely to self medicate with Cannabis.

[Scomagia]

Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Ironically, the drugs you listed all occupy the space of least harm, as far as drugs go.