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Heloin wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
its possible

People don't need to go to detox clinics to help with marijuana addiction. Like caffeine addiction you just need to stop taking the stuff and you'll be fine on your own in a day or two.

The absolute worst thing that happens is you remember what being bored is like and wonder why you have so many lighters.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Heloin wrote:Unbelievably not that high of a risk. The withdrawal is next to nothing aside from maybe being a bit antsy for the day, and relapsing isn't that great of a risk either. Again it's about the same level as caffeine addiction. There is real addiction and real withdrawal, but it's not anything that really causes massive issues or needs more then minimal support if any for most people.

so are you saying you'd be okay with your kid trying it?

Kids should not smoke marijuana. Developing brains should not be exposed to cannabis, alcohol, nicotine, or a bunch of other things.

That still doesn't mean that adults shouldn't consume those things.

Great Algerstonia wrote:

Des-Bal wrote:Legalize all drugs and manage the consequences rather than doing shit we know doesn't work and causes more problems.

“Manage the consequences”? You do know addiction isn’t a choice, right?

Unless someone was shoving the drugs down your throat you had to make a choice somewhere along the line to try an addictive substance.

Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

I use CBD cream for my aching hands and it has improved my issues with pain and swelling. Something that has improved my quality of life. Way better than relying on muscle relaxers and other pharma.

Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

Some of us think it a duty of the state to safeguard our asses whenever reasonable; others think it a duty of the state to punish us for not being so reasonable as to safeguard ourselves.

You clearly belong to the latter.

Novus America wrote:

Heloin wrote:I'm the worlds hardest drug.

Do you have “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse?” Then you are Schedule I.

But I think you probably are Schedule II “a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependency”

I'm dangerous

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Heloin wrote:People don't need to go to detox clinics to help with marijuana addiction. Like caffeine addiction you just need to stop taking the stuff and you'll be fine on your own in a day or two.

The absolute worst thing that happens is you remember what being bored is like and wonder why you have so many lighters.

But on the plus side you stop watching so much daytime television.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Heloin wrote:People don't need to go to detox clinics to help with marijuana addiction. Like caffeine addiction you just need to stop taking the stuff and you'll be fine on your own in a day or two.

what about withdrawal and relapse?

Not an issue. Withdrawal for weed is a bit like withdrawal from a slice of pizza. Sure tomorrow you will be like "damn I wish I had another slice" but you won't vomit, ache, tweak, or even get a headache.

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
what about withdrawal and relapse?

Not an issue. Withdrawal for weed is a bit like withdrawal from a slice of pizza. Sure tomorrow you will be like "damn I wish I had another slice" but you won't vomit, ache, tweak, or even get a headache.

I was warned, very sternly, to never go near that stuff

and I have followed such advice to the letter

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Not an issue. Withdrawal for weed is a bit like withdrawal from a slice of pizza. Sure tomorrow you will be like "damn I wish I had another slice" but you won't vomit, ache, tweak, or even get a headache.

I was warned, very sternly, to never go near that stuff

and I have followed such advice to the letter

AlHamdulillah

“It's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom.”
Bill Hicks

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Not an issue. Withdrawal for weed is a bit like withdrawal from a slice of pizza. Sure tomorrow you will be like "damn I wish I had another slice" but you won't vomit, ache, tweak, or even get a headache.

I was warned, very sternly, to never go near that stuff

and I have followed such advice to the letter

And you know what? Cool. That's totally fine. You never have to do it. More than likely you wouldn't like it. You're not missing anything. It's awesome for some people, others...not going to be into it. That's fine. You can avoid it and nothing will be lost. You don't need a bunch of other reasons to justify it, condemn it, whatever. "Not for you." That's all the reason in the world. Like Country music. There's nothing really wrong with it, just not my thing. But I wouldn't make a big deal out of anyone else being into it. Whatever, do their thing.

That's all anyone is really asking.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Not an issue. Withdrawal for weed is a bit like withdrawal from a slice of pizza. Sure tomorrow you will be like "damn I wish I had another slice" but you won't vomit, ache, tweak, or even get a headache.

I was warned, very sternly, to never go near that stuff

and I have followed such advice to the letter

What, pizza? Pizza is good, have some pizza.

Women cry for it, men die for it - Pizza Madness.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:I think even hard drugs should be legalised.

I agree.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Not an issue. Withdrawal for weed is a bit like withdrawal from a slice of pizza. Sure tomorrow you will be like "damn I wish I had another slice" but you won't vomit, ache, tweak, or even get a headache.

I was warned, very sternly, to never go near that stuff

and I have followed such advice to the letter

More power to you.

But you also shouldn't act if there's something wrong with people who do like it.

Cannot think of a name wrote:And you know what? Cool. That's totally fine. You never have to do it. More than likely you wouldn't like it. You're not missing anything. It's awesome for some people, others...not going to be into it. That's fine. You can avoid it and nothing will be lost. You don't need a bunch of other reasons to justify it, condemn it, whatever. "Not for you." That's all the reason in the world. Like Country music. There's nothing really wrong with it, just not my thing. But I wouldn't make a big deal out of anyone else being into it. Whatever, do their thing.

That's all anyone is really asking.

If anyone can refute this argument, I would love to read it.

Cannot think of a name wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:I was warned, very sternly, to never go near that stuff

and I have followed such advice to the letter

And you know what? Cool. That's totally fine. You never have to do it. More than likely you wouldn't like it. You're not missing anything. It's awesome for some people, others...not going to be into it. That's fine. You can avoid it and nothing will be lost. You don't need a bunch of other reasons to justify it, condemn it, whatever. "Not for you." That's all the reason in the world. Like Country music. There's nothing really wrong with it, just not my thing. But I wouldn't make a big deal out of anyone else being into it. Whatever, do their thing.

That's all anyone is really asking.

I think IM's position is a simple one: "I don't like it, therefore it must be banned".

The New California Republic wrote:

Cannot think of a name wrote:And you know what? Cool. That's totally fine. You never have to do it. More than likely you wouldn't like it. You're not missing anything. It's awesome for some people, others...not going to be into it. That's fine. You can avoid it and nothing will be lost. You don't need a bunch of other reasons to justify it, condemn it, whatever. "Not for you." That's all the reason in the world. Like Country music. There's nothing really wrong with it, just not my thing. But I wouldn't make a big deal out of anyone else being into it. Whatever, do their thing.

That's all anyone is really asking.

I think IM's position is a simple one: "I don't like it, therefore it must be banned".

The classical, Dolores Umbrage-like position of most prohibitionists.

Ok so the problem is that people with incredibly limited, or more often totally incorrect, knowledge about marijuana push policies. Infected mushroom is a perfect example. He believes marijuana is highly addictive, destructive, causes withdrawal, and ruins lives. I fully support his decision not to smoke but I can't understand why he thinks someone should be punished for it. Cigarettes, coffee, tea, sugary snacks, music can all cause harm and are typically enjoyed in free time despite that. Weed is the same way. It's not a "hard" drug like heroin, meth, alcohol, or crack. You wont lose your teeth or Rob family members to keep your habit going. You will simply run out of weed and... Do something else.

I remember seeing a commercial when I was a kid that insisted people who smoked never did anything but melt into a couch. I thought to myself "no shit, they could be arrested outside. They will lose their job over it too. Pay a fine and any background checks will be flagged for the rest of their life. Why?

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Ok so the problem is that people with incredibly limited, or more often totally incorrect, knowledge about marijuana push policies. Infected mushroom is a perfect example. He believes marijuana is highly addictive, destructive, causes withdrawal, and ruins lives. I fully support his decision not to smoke but I can't understand why he thinks someone should be punished for it. Cigarettes, coffee, tea, sugary snacks, music can all cause harm and are typically enjoyed in free time despite that. Weed is the same way. It's not a "hard" drug like heroin, meth, alcohol, or crack. You wont lose your teeth or Rob family members to keep your habit going. You will simply run out of weed and... Do something else.

I remember seeing a commercial when I was a kid that insisted people who smoked never did anything but melt into a couch. I thought to myself "no shit, they could be arrested outside. They will lose their job over it too. Pay a fine and any background checks will be flagged for the rest of their life. Why?

It reminds me of when the UK government sacked its chief drugs adviser for saying that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and then to add insult to injury the UK government continued with its reclassification of cannabis from Class C to Class B regardless, despite the recommendation not to.

The New California Republic wrote:

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Ok so the problem is that people with incredibly limited, or more often totally incorrect, knowledge about marijuana push policies. Infected mushroom is a perfect example. He believes marijuana is highly addictive, destructive, causes withdrawal, and ruins lives. I fully support his decision not to smoke but I can't understand why he thinks someone should be punished for it. Cigarettes, coffee, tea, sugary snacks, music can all cause harm and are typically enjoyed in free time despite that. Weed is the same way. It's not a "hard" drug like heroin, meth, alcohol, or crack. You wont lose your teeth or Rob family members to keep your habit going. You will simply run out of weed and... Do something else.

I remember seeing a commercial when I was a kid that insisted people who smoked never did anything but melt into a couch. I thought to myself "no shit, they could be arrested outside. They will lose their job over it too. Pay a fine and any background checks will be flagged for the rest of their life. Why?

It reminds me of when the UK government sacked its chief drugs adviser for saying that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and then to add insult to injury the UK government continued with its reclassification of cannabis from Class C to Class B regardless, despite the recommendation not to.

Which lead to an increase in the use of then legal cannabis substitutes. Now we have a massive Spice problem.

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It reminds me of when the UK government sacked its chief drugs adviser for saying that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and then to add insult to injury the UK government continued with its reclassification of cannabis from Class C to Class B regardless, despite the recommendation not to.

Which lead to an increase in the use of then legal cannabis substitutes. Now we have a massive Spice problem.

The ultimate irony of The War on Drugs is that it gave us crack, meth, and spice.

The New California Republic wrote:

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Ok so the problem is that people with incredibly limited, or more often totally incorrect, knowledge about marijuana push policies. Infected mushroom is a perfect example. He believes marijuana is highly addictive, destructive, causes withdrawal, and ruins lives. I fully support his decision not to smoke but I can't understand why he thinks someone should be punished for it. Cigarettes, coffee, tea, sugary snacks, music can all cause harm and are typically enjoyed in free time despite that. Weed is the same way. It's not a "hard" drug like heroin, meth, alcohol, or crack. You wont lose your teeth or Rob family members to keep your habit going. You will simply run out of weed and... Do something else.

I remember seeing a commercial when I was a kid that insisted people who smoked never did anything but melt into a couch. I thought to myself "no shit, they could be arrested outside. They will lose their job over it too. Pay a fine and any background checks will be flagged for the rest of their life. Why?

It reminds me of when the UK government sacked its chief drugs adviser for saying that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and then to add insult to injury the UK government continued with its reclassification of cannabis from Class C to Class B regardless, despite the recommendation not to.

Lol to sacking the chief drug adviser for saying facts.

Outer Sparta wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:It reminds me of when the UK government sacked its chief drugs adviser for saying that cannabis was less harmful than tobacco and alcohol, and then to add insult to injury the UK government continued with its reclassification of cannabis from Class C to Class B regardless, despite the recommendation not to.

Lol to sacking the chief drug adviser for saying facts.

Yeah, it was just the kind of facts though, i.e. ones that went contrary to the government's narrative; so his head went on the block.

Scomagia wrote:The ultimate irony of The War on Drugs is that it gave us crack, meth, and spice.

Not to mention the actual drug war it has spawned which has claimed tens of thousands of lives.