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Should Cannabis be Legalized?

Yes
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No
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26%
Undecided
3
3%
I didn't inhale
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 3:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
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1 in 10 is an unacceptable risk when your dealing with addiction

For me


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I never claimed it was

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:26 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Less than one in ten. The "threat" is low.


1 in 10 is an unacceptable risk when your dealing with addiction

For me

But that's not the risk of addiction. The percentage of marijuana users who are dependent on marijuana does not translate to a percentage risk of becoming addicted if one uses marijuana.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
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1 in 10 is an unacceptable risk when your dealing with addiction

For me

But that's not the risk of addiction. The percentage of marijuana users who are dependent on marijuana does not translate to a percentage risk of becoming addicted if one uses marijuana.


But I think it’s saying one in ten users are/become dependent

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sat Apr 06, 2019 4:54 am

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The New California Republic wrote:Less than one in ten. The "threat" is low.


1 in 10 is an unacceptable risk when your dealing with addiction

For me

What do you reckon the addiction rate for alcohol, tobacco, porn or video games are?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:22 am

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Ifreann wrote:But that's not the risk of addiction. The percentage of marijuana users who are dependent on marijuana does not translate to a percentage risk of becoming addicted if one uses marijuana.


But I think it’s saying one in ten users are/become dependent

And your source says that dependence is different from addiction. And you googled that slightly after wanting to know if using marijuana every week for a month would mean more or less than a 50% chance of being addicted. It's pretty clear that you've decided that the risk is too high before knowing what the risk is. Whatever number you find, you'll say it's too high.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:42 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
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1 in 10 is an unacceptable risk when your dealing with addiction

For me

What do you reckon the addiction rate for alcohol, tobacco, porn or video games are?


I'd have to do more research than I'd care to

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:43 am

Ifreann wrote:
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But I think it’s saying one in ten users are/become dependent

And your source says that dependence is different from addiction. And you googled that slightly after wanting to know if using marijuana every week for a month would mean more or less than a 50% chance of being addicted. It's pretty clear that you've decided that the risk is too high before knowing what the risk is. Whatever number you find, you'll say it's too high.


i'm only basing it off from my experiences living in Vancouver where in the poor neighbourhoods, tons of people were lining up to go to detox centres and stuff

it seemed to be a real problem

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:47 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And your source says that dependence is different from addiction. And you googled that slightly after wanting to know if using marijuana every week for a month would mean more or less than a 50% chance of being addicted. It's pretty clear that you've decided that the risk is too high before knowing what the risk is. Whatever number you find, you'll say it's too high.


i'm only basing it off from my experiences living in Vancouver where in the poor neighbourhoods, tons of people were lining up to go to detox centres and stuff

it seemed to be a real problem

They weren't lining up to be treated for marijuana addiction. It was probably a methadone clinic, which treats heroin addiction.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
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i'm only basing it off from my experiences living in Vancouver where in the poor neighbourhoods, tons of people were lining up to go to detox centres and stuff

it seemed to be a real problem

They weren't lining up to be treated for marijuana addiction. It was probably a methadone clinic, which treats heroin addiction.


its possible

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:59 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They weren't lining up to be treated for marijuana addiction. It was probably a methadone clinic, which treats heroin addiction.


its possible

There are no treatment clinics for marijuana addiction in poor neighbourhoods. The only people getting treatment for marijuana addiction are the very rich who can afford luxury rehab spas.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They weren't lining up to be treated for marijuana addiction. It was probably a methadone clinic, which treats heroin addiction.


its possible

People don't need to go to detox clinics to help with marijuana addiction. Like caffeine addiction you just need to stop taking the stuff and you'll be fine on your own in a day or two.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:04 am

Heloin wrote:
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its possible

People don't need to go to detox clinics to help with marijuana addiction. Like caffeine addiction you just need to stop taking the stuff and you'll be fine on your own in a day or two.


what about withdrawal and relapse?

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Postby Dushan » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:08 am

Not to mention all the government approved often highly addictive and often dangerous substances in prescription meds.

Marijuana does have - make no mistake - its side effects which can be nasty. However compared to some prescription (opoid crisis anyone?) stuff those are quite within relatively harmless parameters.

It is not a "fun" drug or so in my opinion. However thats my own subjective view.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:09 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:People don't need to go to detox clinics to help with marijuana addiction. Like caffeine addiction you just need to stop taking the stuff and you'll be fine on your own in a day or two.


what about withdrawal and relapse?

Unbelievably not that high of a risk. The withdrawal is next to nothing aside from maybe being a bit antsy for the day, and relapsing isn't that great of a risk either. Again it's about the same level as caffeine addiction. There is real addiction and real withdrawal, but it's not anything that really causes massive issues or needs more then minimal support if any for most people.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:10 am

Heloin wrote:
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what about withdrawal and relapse?

Unbelievably not that high of a risk. The withdrawal is next to nothing aside from maybe being a bit antsy for the day, and relapsing isn't that great of a risk either. Again it's about the same level as caffeine addiction. There is real addiction and real withdrawal, but it's not anything that really causes massive issues or needs more then minimal support if any for most people.


so are you saying you'd be okay with your kid trying it?

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Postby Heloin » Sat Apr 06, 2019 6:12 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Unbelievably not that high of a risk. The withdrawal is next to nothing aside from maybe being a bit antsy for the day, and relapsing isn't that great of a risk either. Again it's about the same level as caffeine addiction. There is real addiction and real withdrawal, but it's not anything that really causes massive issues or needs more then minimal support if any for most people.


so are you saying you'd be okay with your kid trying it?

Sure they can go fucking nuts. I smoked pot when I was 15 and have been drinking since I was 17 and I've turned out alright.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:28 am

Dushan wrote:Not to mention all the government approved often highly addictive and often dangerous substances in prescription meds.

Marijuana does have - make no mistake - its side effects which can be nasty. However compared to some prescription (opoid crisis anyone?) stuff those are quite within relatively harmless parameters.

It is not a "fun" drug or so in my opinion. However thats my own subjective view.


The very concept that it is a Schedule I drug is absurd considering oxycodone, methadone and even some forms of cocaine are Schedule II I think we should all agree is fundamentally absurd.

THC is not more dangerous than the substances in Schedule II.
It is obviously less so.

It should be at most Schedule III.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:57 am

Heloin wrote:
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so are you saying you'd be okay with your kid trying it?

Sure they can go fucking nuts. I smoked pot when I was 15 and have been drinking since I was 17 and I've turned out alright.


And what if they injected heloin?

Would that be different? Where’s the line?

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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Apr 06, 2019 9:18 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:Sure they can go fucking nuts. I smoked pot when I was 15 and have been drinking since I was 17 and I've turned out alright.


And what if they injected heloin?

Would that be different? Where’s the line?


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Postby Vojelneit » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:18 am

Heloin wrote:
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so are you saying you'd be okay with your kid trying it?

Sure they can go fucking nuts. I smoked pot when I was 15 and have been drinking since I was 17 and I've turned out alright.


And how old are you now? You can't really bluntly state that you've turned out alright if you're not past 50 with no health problems at all. Wait until you narrowly survive a cardiovascular arrest in your late forties or early fifties from your regular alcohol/pot usage and report back to tell us if you've turned out alright, it'll be interesting.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:30 am

I think even hard drugs should be legalised.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:38 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
And what if they injected heloin?

Would that be different? Where’s the line?


...

:meh:

I'm the worlds hardest drug.

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Postby Novus America » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:55 am

Heloin wrote:
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...

:meh:

I'm the worlds hardest drug.


Do you have “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse?” Then you are Schedule I. :unsure:

But I think you probably are Schedule II “a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependency” :lol:
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Postby Pope Joan » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:29 am

it is good for the tax base
and i can attest that it is good for pain relief

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