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Should Cannabis be Legalized?

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:42 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.

Monumentally less so than alcohol, tobacco and legal prescription & over the counter drugs.

Hell, it's less harmful than a lot of legal activities, even excluding other drugs. American football, for instance, is a hell of a lot more dangerous.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:43 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Do you know a damn thing about drugs?
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Postby Talvezout » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:48 pm

I frankly don't like smoking one bit (weed or no weed) but honestly it should be legalized, at least in the United States. I mean, a good majority of American adults are in favor of it being legalized, so let's just legalize it like alcohol or tobacco and get it over with.
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Postby Scomagia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:50 pm

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Aellex wrote:No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Do you know a damn thing about drugs?

I'm gonna go with no, no they don't.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:06 pm

Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.


Alcohol & Tobacco, as has been mentioned, are demonstrably way more harmful. It's been proven. Alcohol kills thousands and thousands a year. Tobacco even more. Cannabis? It might kill some motivation, but it won't kill you.

I'd rather wake up a little foggy from smoking too much pot the night before than hungover and full of regret from having too many beers the night before.

As per the OP, this is why we need legalization. It's one of many reasons, really. There is always a risk when buying marijuana off the street - and with recreational and regulated marijuana, consumers who choose to buy from a regulated store/government run outlet (see Canada) will simply not have to worry about the possibility of smoking literal shit.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:07 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Do you know a damn thing about drugs?

I'm gonna go with no, no they don't.


Marijuana is more harmful than meth, don't ya know?

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Postby Scomagia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:09 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Scomagia wrote:I'm gonna go with no, no they don't.


Marijuana is more harmful than meth, don't ya know?

Yes, how could I forget. You'd think Reefer Madness would have taught me.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:32 pm

Cannabis is lame and stoners are losers. The medical benefits are overrated. If you have crippling back pain, you're better off taking an opioid.

However, once it's legalized, you'll bet your ass cigarette companies will find a way to make more addictive and soda pop companies will start infusing into their drinks. A lord knows what JUUL would do with it.

Point is, weed's for losers, but I smell a lot of money. A lot of it. It's still green right?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:34 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Cannabis is lame and stoners are losers. The medical benefits are overrated. If you have crippling back pain, you're better off taking an opioid.

However, once it's legalized, you'll bet your ass cigarette companies will find a way to make more addictive and soda pop companies will start infusing into their drinks. A lord knows what JUUL would do with it.

Point is, weed's for losers, but I smell a lot of money. A lot of it. It's still green right?


And that, kids, is why America has an opioid crisis.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:37 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Cannabis is lame and stoners are losers. The medical benefits are overrated. If you have crippling back pain, you're better off taking an opioid.

However, once it's legalized, you'll bet your ass cigarette companies will find a way to make more addictive and soda pop companies will start infusing into their drinks. A lord knows what JUUL would do with it.

Point is, weed's for losers, but I smell a lot of money. A lot of it. It's still green right?


Chronic alcoholics often aren't doing all too hot in life, same goes for chronic stoners. The caricature of the depressed man belly up at the bar is no more successful than the caricature of the chronic stoner sitting in a drum-circle, talking about how "the system is rigged, mannn."

In other words, when it comes to a substance like alcohol or marijuana, moderation is key - can't let an intoxicant take over your life and permanently cloud your judgment.

Once it's legalized at a federal level, there is some truth to your point that it will be taken advantage of by the slimy tech bros behind Juul or the slimy executives at places like Phillip Morris. That said - I'm confident that there will still be competition between mass-scale production of, say, Phillip Morris made "Malboro Blunts" and hippie dippy companies out of Denver selling "all-natural joints" for a slightly higher price.

As with most things, including alcohol, it'll be up to the consumer to decide what the best choice is - in regards to both health of the user and the health of their wallet.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:37 pm

Scomagia wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Monumentally less so than alcohol, tobacco and legal prescription & over the counter drugs.

Hell, it's less harmful than a lot of legal activities, even excluding other drugs. American football, for instance, is a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Vending machines, elevators and sharks kill more people than cannabis.
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Postby Kavagrad » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:38 pm

Legalize and regulate the sale and content of cannabis, ban alcohol and tobacco

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:38 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Hell, it's less harmful than a lot of legal activities, even excluding other drugs. American football, for instance, is a hell of a lot more dangerous.

Vending machines, elevators and sharks kill more people than cannabis.


To be fair, cannabis and vending machines often go hand in hand.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:40 pm

Kavagrad wrote:Legalize and regulate the sale and content of cannabis, ban alcohol and tobacco

Problem solved!


Subsidize the production of an incredibly addictive form of cannabis to be infused into candy and soft drinks and sold to children.
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Postby Caracasus » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:41 pm

I know there were rumours going that people stuck it up dog's arses to smuggle it cos the sniffer dogs would look like they were just sniffing a dog's bum if they detected it. I heard that when I was 16 and I didn't beleive it then. Why would you smuggle weed like that? It's not worth enough by weight and not usually punished that hard in comparison to other drugs.

I dunno if legalising it would be good. Sure it isn't that harmful, but it still does some harm and I don't know whether adding another harmful substance to alcohol and tobacco is smart...

Perhaps just decriminalize it. I have seen people just vegetate for years in a miserable situation while smoking loads on a daily basis. Sure they had other problems, but I don't think the habit helped them get motivated to fix their lives. At least one has really turned their life around since quitting.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:42 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Cannabis is lame and stoners are losers. The medical benefits are overrated. If you have crippling back pain, you're better off taking an opioid.

However, once it's legalized, you'll bet your ass cigarette companies will find a way to make more addictive and soda pop companies will start infusing into their drinks. A lord knows what JUUL would do with it.

Point is, weed's for losers, but I smell a lot of money. A lot of it. It's still green right?


Chronic alcoholics often aren't doing all too hot in life, same goes for chronic stoners. The caricature of the depressed man belly up at the bar is no more successful than the caricature of the chronic stoner sitting in a drum-circle, talking about how "the system is rigged, mannn."

In other words, when it comes to a substance like alcohol or marijuana, moderation is key - can't let an intoxicant take over your life and permanently cloud your judgment.

Once it's legalized at a federal level, there is some truth to your point that it will be taken advantage of by the slimy tech bros behind Juul or the slimy executives at places like Phillip Morris. That said - I'm confident that there will still be competition between mass-scale production of, say, Phillip Morris made "Malboro Blunts" and hippie dippy companies out of Denver selling "all-natural joints" for a slightly higher price.

As with most things, including alcohol, it'll be up to the consumer to decide what the best choice is - in regards to both health of the user and the health of their wallet.


I imagine you would have a "macro vs. craft brewery" dynamic but with marijuana.

The tobacco-growing part of the US is also the best suited to grow cannabis. Cigarette companies already realize this, and they already have the distribution networks, lobbyist connections, and advertising budgets that small-time growers don't.

Although, I'm starting to salivate thinking about cannabis-infused chewing tobacco.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:44 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Vending machines, elevators and sharks kill more people than cannabis.


To be fair, cannabis and vending machines often go hand in hand.


Alcohol and tobacco vending machines are illegal in places where anyone under 21 is allowed. Basically the only place you could have them is in bars, which defeats the point of having them.

The same would probably apply to marijuana.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:45 pm

Caracasus wrote:I know there were rumours going that people stuck it up dog's arses to smuggle it cos the sniffer dogs would look like they were just sniffing a dog's bum if they detected it. I heard that when I was 16 and I didn't beleive it then. Why would you smuggle weed like that? It's not worth enough by weight and not usually punished that hard in comparison to other drugs.

I dunno if legalising it would be good. Sure it isn't that harmful, but it still does some harm and I don't know whether adding another harmful substance to alcohol and tobacco is smart...

Perhaps just decriminalize it. I have seen people just vegetate for years in a miserable situation while smoking loads on a daily basis. Sure they had other problems, but I don't think the habit helped them get motivated to fix their lives. At least one has really turned their life around since quitting.


I've seen a good number of folks, even friends, who ruined their lives by smoking pot all day, every day. That's not healthy - but whenever I hear that as an argument against legalization, my mind also turns to a good number of folks I've known, even friends, who ruined their lives by binge-drinking on the regular.

Some people have addictive personalities - or external/internal pressures that cause them to turn to substances, whether it be alcohol, cannabis, or both. No helping that - but there are plenty of people who use weed, say, now and again and plenty of people who use alcohol now and again. They're not harming anyone, not even themselves, and just as social drinkers should be able to go to the store and buy a six pack for the weekend, I see nothing wrong with an occasional pot smoker going to the store and buying a joint for the weekend.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:45 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
To be fair, cannabis and vending machines often go hand in hand.


Alcohol and tobacco vending machines are illegal in places where anyone under 21 is allowed. Basically the only place you could have them is in bars, which defeats the point of having them.

The same would probably apply to marijuana.


I'm referring more to blazed college kids rushing to the vending machines as soon as the munchies hit.

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Postby -Ocelot- » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:46 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Cannabis is lame and stoners are losers. The medical benefits are overrated. If you have crippling back pain, you're better off taking an opioid.

However, once it's legalized, you'll bet your ass cigarette companies will find a way to make more addictive and soda pop companies will start infusing into their drinks. A lord knows what JUUL would do with it.

Point is, weed's for losers, but I smell a lot of money. A lot of it. It's still green right?


On point but unpopular opinion. Stoners are addicts who abuse a drug that makes them lose all motivation and smell horribly. Corporations would love to take advantage of these losers and they will because they will get their way. In all honesty I don't know which is better for society, imprisoning them or using their addiction for easy tax money. Maybe weed should be legalized and let people ruin their lives if they want to, right? At least it's not tobacco!!!

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Postby Dushan » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:46 pm

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Kavagrad wrote:Legalize and regulate the sale and content of cannabis, ban alcohol and tobacco

Problem solved!


Subsidize the production of an incredibly addictive form of cannabis to be infused into candy and soft drinks and sold to children.


That already exists and is called sugar which, given the obesity and diabetis epidemy in many places, is argueably far worse than Alcohol and Tabacco combined.

Just not something that's on the radar usually.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:48 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Alcohol and tobacco vending machines are illegal in places where anyone under 21 is allowed. Basically the only place you could have them is in bars, which defeats the point of having them.

The same would probably apply to marijuana.


I'm referring more to blazed college kids rushing to the vending machines as soon as the munchies hit.

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I imagine you would have a "macro vs. craft brewery" dynamic but with marijuana.

The tobacco-growing part of the US is also the best suited to grow cannabis. Cigarette companies already realize this, and they already have the distribution networks, lobbyist connections, and advertising budgets that small-time growers don't.

Although, I'm starting to salivate thinking about cannabis-infused chewing tobacco.


Cannabis infused chewing tobacco would be freaking amazing. I'd be afraid to buy it on account of how damn enticing that sounds.

And, yes, that's sorta the dynamic I was thinking of. I don't know what to make of Big Tobacco and what they're capable of in regards to legalized cannabis, which, let's face it, will be nationwide by 2022/2023 or so. Maybe earlier. I'm cautiously optimistic that cannabis holdings and their existent high levels of growth, coupled with the relative decline of big tobacco over the last decade, will deter big tobacco from establishing a monopoly on legal cannabis.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:Cannabis is lame and stoners are losers. The medical benefits are overrated. If you have crippling back pain, you're better off taking an opioid.

However, once it's legalized, you'll bet your ass cigarette companies will find a way to make more addictive and soda pop companies will start infusing into their drinks. A lord knows what JUUL would do with it.

Point is, weed's for losers, but I smell a lot of money. A lot of it. It's still green right?


And that, kids, is why America has an opioid crisis.


You just don't get it. We should legalize cocaine and put it in toothpaste.
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Postby Bear Stearns » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:50 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Alcohol and tobacco vending machines are illegal in places where anyone under 21 is allowed. Basically the only place you could have them is in bars, which defeats the point of having them.

The same would probably apply to marijuana.


I'm referring more to blazed college kids rushing to the vending machines as soon as the munchies hit.


Nah man. UberEats.
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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:51 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:
I'm referring more to blazed college kids rushing to the vending machines as soon as the munchies hit.


Nah man. UberEats.


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