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Should Cannabis be Legalized?

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:12 am

Street cannabis 'contains dangerous amount of faecal matter'

Most cannabis sold on the streets of Madrid is contaminated with dangerous levels of faecal matter, a study says. Traces of E.coli bacteria and the Aspergillus fungus were found by analysts who examined 90 samples bought in and around the Spanish capital. The samples that were wrapped up in plastic "acorns" were the worst offenders, reportedly because of the way they are smuggled into the country. Some 40% of these also had the aroma of faeces, the study's lead author said.

Buying, selling and importing cannabis is against the law in Spain, as is using it in public - although it is technically legal to grow it for personal use, provided it is not publicly visible, and to consume it in private.

José Manuel Moreno Pérez, a pharmacologist from the Universidad Complutense in Madrid, collected samples of cannabis directly from street dealers, both in the city and the surrounding suburbs, to determine whether the drugs sold were suitable for human consumption. His research team then separated the contaminated samples by shape, with some of them resembling "acorns" and others "ingots", to see if one shape had more contaminates than the other. The study, co-authored with Pilar Pérez-Lloret, Juncal González-Soriano and Inmaculada Santos Álvarez, has been published in the journal Forensic Science International. They found that 93% of the acorn-shaped samples contained dangerous levels of E.coli bacteria, as did 29.4% of the ingot samples. Some 10% of the cannabis samples were also contaminated with Aspergillus, a dangerous fungus that can cause serious health problems. Most of the samples tested - 88.3% - were not suitable for consumption.

Mr Pérez later explained the contamination - and the smell - to the Spanish newspaper El País. The acorns, he said, were more likely to be contaminated because of how they were brought into the country - the cannabis is wrapped up in small plastic pellets and swallowed before the drug smugglers then "take a laxative and expel" them in a toilet. These are then sold by dealers. According to the study, the risks associated with E.coli and Aspergillus are serious enough to make the illegal street vending of hashish "a public health issue". The E.coli infection, for example, can cause diarrhoea, vomiting, stomach pains, fever, and blood in faeces - and for some people this can then lead to even more serious conditions.

Meanwhile, inhaling Aspergillus mould can cause serious problems for people who already have lung conditions, like asthma or cystic fibrosis, or in people who have low immunity. The study says this is particularly dangerous for cancer patients, who sometimes smoke cannabis to help with the symptoms of chemotherapy. "These patients have a weakened immune system, meaning that an infection caused by the consumption of contaminated or adulterated hashish could be fatal," it adds.

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And here we have yet another reason why I believe that cannabis production and use should be moved out of the black market and legitimised as a business. With cannabis production in the black market, there is no possible way to control the purity and strength of the end product; and, as this case shows, it even causes an increase in health risks, due to the methods employed to get the product into the country. Of course this is just my opinion applied to this specific instance, and others might argue that the risks of psychosis from high strength cannabis justifies the ban. I'd counter that by saying that strength is something that could be regulated, but when it is in the black market there is no way to do that.

People are likely going to consume cannabis regardless of the law, so is it time to bring cannabis out of the darkness and into the light, for the sake of the people that use it?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:22 am

Artisinal, organic marijuanas, grown with only the most natural of fertilisers.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:29 am

Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:33 am

Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

Is it more harmful than alcohol or tobacco?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:34 am

Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:36 am

First off that is a "shitty" thread title. :p

But seriously for the actual thread topic I agree. People are going to always consume Cannabis so legalizing it and making it a business that can be regulated kind of like tobacco is the best thing to do.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:50 am

I'm just wondering why any cannabis smuggled into Spain would ever have been near anyone's arse. For a start it is bulky and you would probably not be able to stuff more than a few ounces where the sun don't shine, and also Morocco is a short speed boat trip across the water.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:52 am

Ifreann wrote:Artisinal, organic marijuanas, grown with only the most natural of fertilisers.


Screw that, if we are going to grow it might as well grow it right. I do not smoke but if I did I would want some GMO stuff grown with clean fertilizer damnit. :evil:
Screw this anti science chemophobic stuff.

The terms “organic” and “natural” are silly anyways.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:53 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm just wondering why any cannabis smuggled into Spain would ever have been near anyone's arse. For a start it is bulky and you would probably not be able to stuff more than a few ounces where the sun don't shine, and also Morocco is a short speed boat trip across the water.

I assumed it was more a matter of general unsanitary storage and transport than being up anyone's arse.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:53 am

I don't approve of the habit, but I wouldn't go so far as "eat shit and die".

Regardless, there's a strong correlation between cannabis use and both mental illness and low economic activity so we don't want use becoming more widespread. Users shouldn't go to prison as that's how you get people into crime and acquaintance with more dealers - confiscate the drugs and mandate regular visits from social services and compulsory participation in a treatment program.

Don't legalise, but stop it being a criminal/police matter except as last resort.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:56 am

I can’t say I’m awfully surprised that black market substances have poor quality control and/or health and safety standards.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:57 am

Alvecia wrote:I can’t say I’m awfully surprised that black market substances have poor quality control and/or health and safety standards.

I don't think that smuggler even washed his hands.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:59 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm just wondering why any cannabis smuggled into Spain would ever have been near anyone's arse. For a start it is bulky and you would probably not be able to stuff more than a few ounces where the sun don't shine, and also Morocco is a short speed boat trip across the water.


Maybe it was smuggled in in a boat sewage tank. That is one of the best place to hide stuff on a boat. And feces is used as a “natural, organic” fertilizer.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:02 am

Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.


So how many deaths annually are attributable to the direct effects of cannabis use? And how does that compare (say) to tobacco use or alcohol consumption?
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Postby Heloin » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:03 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I can’t say I’m awfully surprised that black market substances have poor quality control and/or health and safety standards.

I don't think that smuggler even washed his hands.

Smuggling operations are rarely OSHA compliant.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:03 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.


So how many deaths annually are attributable to the direct effects of cannabis use? And how does that compare (say) to tobacco use or alcohol consumption?

Marijuana caused the fall of Rome. Well known fact.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:07 am

Ifreann wrote:
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I'm just wondering why any cannabis smuggled into Spain would ever have been near anyone's arse. For a start it is bulky and you would probably not be able to stuff more than a few ounces where the sun don't shine, and also Morocco is a short speed boat trip across the water.

I assumed it was more a matter of general unsanitary storage and transport than being up anyone's arse.


Well it says they were swallowed and then expelled by using laxatives (though how the research knows that is a mystery - street dealers ain't going to know or tell you how they get their supply). I don't think it a likely method of smuggling cannabis when Morocco is just over the water, the quantities involved would be too small for organised smuggling. It would be far easier to bring in in bulk.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:09 am

Ifreann wrote:
Aellex wrote:Cannabis is harmful to the body and that is the reason it is banned in the first place.
If people are dumb enough to ignore the risks and buy some anyway, then the extra risks are on them too in top of the regular ones.

Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.
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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Is it more harmful than alcohol or tobacco?

In different ways, yes, I'd say.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:11 am

Aellex wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Those aren't actually very harmful. Alcohol and tobacco are probably more harmful. Hell, there's probably more harmful sports. Maybe you should ban rugby.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:12 am

Honestly this is a big part of why I think drugs in general should be legalized. I remember hearing a piece on NPR (actually I might have made a thread about it) where a British music festival just set up a drug lab so they could have people to make sure it didn’t have crazy fillers and shit in the drugs people were taking
Like obviously certain drugs will always be bad for you but why not reduce the risk you know?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:15 am

Aellex wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Lots of things are harmful to the body and also fun. It'd be an awful shame to ban them all.

No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Looking at available data, cannabis may actually be less harmful than tobacco and alcohol.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:15 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:I don't approve of the habit, but I wouldn't go so far as "eat shit and die".

Regardless, there's a strong correlation between cannabis use and both mental illness and low economic activity so we don't want use becoming more widespread. Users shouldn't go to prison as that's how you get people into crime and acquaintance with more dealers - confiscate the drugs and mandate regular visits from social services and compulsory participation in a treatment program.

Don't legalise, but stop it being a criminal/police matter except as last resort.


I tend to take this approach but also I am okay with legalizing it for medical purposes.
THC is a drug with legitimate medical uses.
I am not a supporter of recreational use for the most part, but definitely agree that treatment programs should be used for drug use, which should be treated as a medical, not criminal issue.

We have large amounts of empirical studies showing treating drug use as criminal matter does not work and treating it as a medical issue works much better.

Also the American Medical Association says it should be moved from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3.
Which I support. Really only stuff like PCP should be Schedule 1.
Even heroin and cocaine should be Schedule 2.
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Postby Heloin » Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:15 am

Aellex wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Is it more harmful than alcohol or tobacco?

In different ways, yes, I'd say.

In statistically provable ways, no.

Ifreann wrote:
Aellex wrote:No one is talking about banning them all. Just the most harmful ones like ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, etc.

Those aren't actually very harmful. Alcohol and tobacco are probably more harmful. Hell, there's probably more harmful sports. Maybe you should ban rugby.

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