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by Greater Germany » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:52 am
by Petrolheadia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:55 am
by Greater Germany » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:57 am
by Baltenstein » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:00 am
by Greater Germany » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:01 am
Baltenstein wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:Considering pogroms, Russia's historical relations with Poland and Ribbentrop-Molotov, I'm not surprised.
There are Polish Nazis also. The point is that self-identifying as a Nazi today usually means nothing more than ethnic supremacism for your own nation and race hatred against minorities and other countries. Any ties and/or allusions to historical events between 1933 and 1945 are purely optional, and usually don't go any deeper than having a hard-on for the edgy symbols and uniforms of that time period.
by Baltenstein » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:09 am
Greater Germany wrote:Baltenstein wrote:
There are Polish Nazis also. The point is that self-identifying as a Nazi today usually means nothing more than ethnic supremacism for your own nation and race hatred against minorities and other countries. Any ties and/or allusions to historical events between 1933 and 1945 are purely optional, and usually don't go any deeper than having a hard-on for the edgy symbols and uniforms of that time period.
It's usually easier to refer to these people in written works or debate as "Neo-Nazis" to differentiate them from the movement 70+ years ago.
by Mandicoria » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:10 am
by Greater Germany » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:18 am
Baltenstein wrote:And it's not hard to see why, I mean you don't see people talking about "Neo-Communists" who are explicitedly differentiated from the people in charge of the former Soviet Union.
by Scomagia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:47 am
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:35 am
by Aureumterra » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:27 pm
by Badb Catha » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:46 pm
Cedoria wrote:Badb Catha wrote:
Neither of the aforementioned works offer any knowledge. They are works of fiction.
Implying that fiction doesn't contain messages of moral importance from time to time.
I mean, plenty of posters in this thread would disagree, given their defences of their holy books. A book being fiction doesn't necessarily make it worthless.
by Badb Catha » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:50 pm
by Farnhamia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:51 pm
Badb Catha wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Then why do you want to burn works of fiction?
I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.
by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:54 pm
by Slotted Floppies » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:54 pm
by Diarcesia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:57 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Badb Catha wrote:
I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.
It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.
by Farnhamia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:03 pm
Slotted Floppies wrote:I can understand the animosity between these two groups with large parts of the potterverse fans wanting people to have a spectrum of ages and genders and catholic priests having a certain amount who want everyone to be eight year old boys.
I’m still unsure of how they met with potterverse fans flooding universities with shitty politics and the Catholic Church avoiding any place where anything factual exists whatsoever.
by Badb Catha » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:11 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Badb Catha wrote:
I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.
It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.
by Farnhamia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:17 pm
Badb Catha wrote:Farnhamia wrote:It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.
This seems the most logical move, yes. But it is unrealistic and flawed. People are ignorant. The logic you prescribe to was used as an argument to justify keeping as much record of the Holocaust as possible, and yet people still deny it ever happened even with the literal mountain of evidence to suggest otherwise. Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers, etc. I can go on listing examples of willful ignorance. It is not about the strength of our beliefs, but about the intelligence of the one who is being taught them. Logic in the end fails to suppress heart. This is what led the masses to revolt against the Tsar and others, and gave the world the abominations that were the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Communist International, the Warsaw Pact, and so on and so forth. The illogical nature of Communism was not enough to deter the oppressed, the impoverished, and the disadvantaged from it because it did not appeal to their minds but to their hearts. That is why the works of Communist philosophers must be suppressed; the people simply don't know any better.
This appeal to spirit is not unique to Communism; we Fascists utilize it as well, but ours is not an ideology founded upon an illogical assumption of human nature built around an impossible utopian fantasy that is nigh achievable. We seek only to guide the people away from populist ignorance, protect our national heritage, and above all the spiritual purity and political sovereignty of our state. This is no impossible and has been achieved before. Communism, meanwhile, purports that humans can live together without issue if currency, the state, and class are all eliminated but we have seen that this is not only untrue but that even achieving any of the aforementioned is utterly impossible. Despite this - despite history - Communism still remains popular. Why? Because it does not appeal to logic, but to spirit. That is why it must be suppressed: logic can be defied, but the spirit cannot.
by Badb Catha » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:27 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Badb Catha wrote:
This seems the most logical move, yes. But it is unrealistic and flawed. People are ignorant. The logic you prescribe to was used as an argument to justify keeping as much record of the Holocaust as possible, and yet people still deny it ever happened even with the literal mountain of evidence to suggest otherwise. Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers, etc. I can go on listing examples of willful ignorance. It is not about the strength of our beliefs, but about the intelligence of the one who is being taught them. Logic in the end fails to suppress heart. This is what led the masses to revolt against the Tsar and others, and gave the world the abominations that were the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Communist International, the Warsaw Pact, and so on and so forth. The illogical nature of Communism was not enough to deter the oppressed, the impoverished, and the disadvantaged from it because it did not appeal to their minds but to their hearts. That is why the works of Communist philosophers must be suppressed; the people simply don't know any better.
This appeal to spirit is not unique to Communism; we Fascists utilize it as well, but ours is not an ideology founded upon an illogical assumption of human nature built around an impossible utopian fantasy that is nigh achievable. We seek only to guide the people away from populist ignorance, protect our national heritage, and above all the spiritual purity and political sovereignty of our state. This is no impossible and has been achieved before. Communism, meanwhile, purports that humans can live together without issue if currency, the state, and class are all eliminated but we have seen that this is not only untrue but that even achieving any of the aforementioned is utterly impossible. Despite this - despite history - Communism still remains popular. Why? Because it does not appeal to logic, but to spirit. That is why it must be suppressed: logic can be defied, but the spirit cannot.
At least you're honest about you opinion of your fellow human beings. If Communism failed to achieve anything, neither did Fascism. Your guidance of the people would result in homogeneous societies forever afraid of their neighbors. I'll pass.
by Farnhamia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:45 pm
Badb Catha wrote:Farnhamia wrote:At least you're honest about you opinion of your fellow human beings. If Communism failed to achieve anything, neither did Fascism. Your guidance of the people would result in homogeneous societies forever afraid of their neighbors. I'll pass.
It is not fear we seek to instill, but pride. The very pride intrinsic to our being. Not pride in ourselves, but in each other. We recognize - as Communists do - that the collective is the natural state of human society. Individualism is a disease whose only logical conclusion is objectivism, a truly undesirable end I am sure most can agree on. We differ only in manner of sense: the Communist believes the entire world can be one collective and function cohesively. We are not so naive; we recognize that, despite ourselves, humans are prone to distrust of those unlike themselves. It is one of the many ignorant natures of our very being. We work together best when we all share a common identity bound in our way of life, in our spirituality, and in our ancestry. Homogeneity is both logical and spiritual in this sense as it simply works. What reason would we have to fight if we all came from the same place, worshiped the same god, and practiced the same traditions? It is not about hating others or thinking of one's self as superior to others, but as celebrating one's self. This is the nation. This is the Fascist state. Where there is difference - cultural, ethnic, or religious - there is division and a divided nation is a weak nation. Multiculturalism is simply awful, to be blunt.
That is not say outsiders are unwelcome. They can become part of the nation, but they must conform in order to do so. Ancestry, while important, is not as vital as faith and culture in the end. A German of French culture is more French than a Frenchman of German culture, to put it simply.
by United Dependencies » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:45 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
by Farnhamia » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:47 pm
United Dependencies wrote:Did they purchase the books or did they take them from somewhere?
Unless they stole the books, I don't really care what private individuals do with their own books.
by United Dependencies » Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:48 pm
Alien Space Bats wrote:2012: The Year We Lost Contact (with Reality).
Cannot think of a name wrote:Obamacult wrote:Maybe there is an economically sound and rational reason why there are no longer high paying jobs for qualified accountants, assembly line workers, glass blowers, blacksmiths, tanners, etc.
Maybe dragons took their jobs. Maybe unicorns only hid their jobs because unicorns are dicks. Maybe 'jobs' is only an illusion created by a drug addled infant pachyderm. Fuck dude, if we're in 'maybe' land, don't hold back.
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