Priests burning Harry Potter and Twilight books in Poland

[Greater Germany]

Burning Twilight I can understand but what's the problem with Harry Potter? It's harmless fun.

[Petrolheadia]

Being Polish and pro-Nazi is akin to being native American and supporter of Andrew Jackson: You're against the welfare of your people.

There are even Russian Nazis.

Considering pogroms, Russia's historical relations with Poland and Ribbentrop-Molotov, I'm not surprised.

[Greater Germany]

No true Scotsman Pole detected.

Being Polish and pro-Nazi is akin to being native American and supporter of Andrew Jackson: You're against the welfare of your people.

Neo-Nazis pick and choose beliefs of Nazism to attach to their own movements. It's also worth remembering there were a great number of Polish collaborators with the Nazis.

[Baltenstein]

There are even Russian Nazis.

Considering pogroms, Russia's historical relations with Poland and Ribbentrop-Molotov, I'm not surprised.

There are Polish Nazis also. The point is that self-identifying as a Nazi today usually means nothing more than ethnic supremacism for your own nation and race hatred against minorities and other countries. Any ties and/or allusions to historical events between 1933 and 1945 are purely optional, and usually don't go any deeper than having a hard-on for the edgy symbols and uniforms of that time period.

[Greater Germany]

Considering pogroms, Russia's historical relations with Poland and Ribbentrop-Molotov, I'm not surprised.

There are Polish Nazis also. The point is that self-identifying as a Nazi today usually means nothing more than ethnic supremacism for your own nation and race hatred against minorities and other countries. Any ties and/or allusions to historical events between 1933 and 1945 are purely optional, and usually don't go any deeper than having a hard-on for the edgy symbols and uniforms of that time period.

It's usually easier to refer to these people in written works or debate as "Neo-Nazis" to differentiate them from the movement 70+ years ago.

[Baltenstein]

There are Polish Nazis also. The point is that self-identifying as a Nazi today usually means nothing more than ethnic supremacism for your own nation and race hatred against minorities and other countries. Any ties and/or allusions to historical events between 1933 and 1945 are purely optional, and usually don't go any deeper than having a hard-on for the edgy symbols and uniforms of that time period.

It's usually easier to refer to these people in written works or debate as "Neo-Nazis" to differentiate them from the movement 70+ years ago.

Sure, but in my experience, "Neo-Nazi" and "Nazi" get used pretty interchangeably, especially in social media.
And it's not hard to see why, I mean you don't see people talking about "Neo-Communists" who are explicitedly differentiated from the people in charge of the former Soviet Union.

Personally, I think referring to the "Nazi regime", "Nazi Germany", "3rd Reich" or "NSDAP" (pre-33) is a clearer and better way to clarify that you are talking about the historic state rather than your average present day white power activist.

[Mandicoria]

Looks like they didn't like some chapters.

[Greater Germany]

And it's not hard to see why, I mean you don't see people talking about "Neo-Communists" who are explicitedly differentiated from the people in charge of the former Soviet Union.

Well communism in the Soviet Union didn't end in the same way as Nazism in Germany, and communism didn't originate in and primarily spring from a single state that it then ruled like Nazism did (simplified, I know, but I'm referencing the common views). Kind of like why the Swastika and Hammer & Sickle hold different connotations. But I think this is all a topic for another thread.

[Scomagia]

Reasonable people don't burn books because of literary taste, and no Twilight by definition isn't smut.

I mean it has smut.

It really doesn't. If it did, I might have been interested. I've actually read some of the smuttier romance novels Mrs. Scomagia brings home for...research. I must say that some of those authors are naughty, naughty ladies and god bless them for it.

[Platypus Bureaucracy]

Reasonable people don't burn books because of literary taste, and no Twilight by definition isn't smut.

I mean it has smut.

I don't think it does. I seem to recall all the sex happening off-page.

[Aureumterra]

Being Polish and pro-Nazi is akin to being native American and supporter of Andrew Jackson: You're against the welfare of your people.

There are even Russian Nazis.

hehe well at least there aren’t Jewish Nazis right? inb4 someone ineveitably says Ben Shapiro or Dennis Prager is a Nazi

[Badb Catha]

Neither of the aforementioned works offer any knowledge. They are works of fiction.

Then why do you want to burn works of fiction?

I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.

Neither of the aforementioned works offer any knowledge. They are works of fiction.

Implying that fiction doesn't contain messages of moral importance from time to time.

I mean, plenty of posters in this thread would disagree, given their defences of their holy books. A book being fiction doesn't necessarily make it worthless.

I did not state that fiction is a worthless genre, or that fiction is incapable of teaching. But what is there to learn from the Twilight books? Or Harry Potter, for that matter?

Neither of the aforementioned works offer any knowledge. They are works of fiction.

Fiction gives knowledge about human beings.

There is no knowledge of human beings to be gained from Twilight. The characters are either inhuman or unrealistic. One could argue the same is true for Harry Potter, to a lesser extent.

Neither of the aforementioned works offer any knowledge. They are works of fiction.

Knowledge of fiction is still knowledge, and you'd be wrong in the extreme to think that people cannot learn from fiction.

I did not say one could not do so. However simply because it is a book that does not mean one can learn anything from it, at least not anything useful.

[Badb Catha]

There are even Russian Nazis.

hehe well at least there aren’t Jewish Nazis right? inb4 someone ineveitably says Ben Shapiro or Dennis Prager is a Nazi

Neither of those men are either National Socialists or Neo-Nazis. But yes, there can be Jewish Neo-Nazis strangely enough. One must make it a point to distinguish between ideologically true National Socialists and the Neo-Nazi movement which is National Socialist in name only and is fundamentally no different than your typical White Supremacist movement.

[Farnhamia]

Then why do you want to burn works of fiction?

I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.

It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

So much for the fundamentalist protestant claims that Catholicism allows/encourages magic/fantasy fiction and other purported evils.

[Slotted Floppies]

I can understand the animosity between these two groups with large parts of the potterverse fans wanting people to have a spectrum of ages and genders and catholic priests having a certain amount who want everyone to be eight year old boys.

I’m still unsure of how they met with potterverse fans flooding universities with shitty politics and the Catholic Church avoiding any place where anything factual exists whatsoever.

[Diarcesia]

I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.

It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.

They suppress it because they fear it might be right. It doesn't matter whether that statement is accurate or not.

[Farnhamia]

I can understand the animosity between these two groups with large parts of the potterverse fans wanting people to have a spectrum of ages and genders and catholic priests having a certain amount who want everyone to be eight year old boys.

I’m still unsure of how they met with potterverse fans flooding universities with shitty politics and the Catholic Church avoiding any place where anything factual exists whatsoever.

I'm not entirely sure why you think this was about a confrontation between fans of the books and Catholic clergy. I will tell you, however, that your remark about Catholic priests wanting everyone to be eight-year-old boys is trolling. You escape a warning for it because you're new and I've been participating in the thread. Read the Rules and follow them, your stay here will be that much more enjoyable.

[Badb Catha]

I do not, nor did I endorse or advocate for any such thing. Had you read my previous posts you would have known this. I expressed disappointment at the burning of Harry Potter and indifference at the burning of Twilight. One might argue that the Communist Manifesto - which I did endorse burning due to the dangers it poses - is a "work of fiction", but that may also be taken as 'baiting' and I would like to refrain from doing so as such.

It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.

This seems the most logical move, yes. But it is unrealistic and flawed. People are ignorant. The logic you prescribe to was used as an argument to justify keeping as much record of the Holocaust as possible, and yet people still deny it ever happened even with the literal mountain of evidence to suggest otherwise. Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers, etc. I can go on listing examples of willful ignorance. It is not about the strength of our beliefs, but about the intelligence of the one who is being taught them. Logic in the end fails to suppress heart. This is what led the masses to revolt against the Tsar and others, and gave the world the abominations that were the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Communist International, the Warsaw Pact, and so on and so forth. The illogical nature of Communism was not enough to deter the oppressed, the impoverished, and the disadvantaged from it because it did not appeal to their minds but to their hearts. That is why the works of Communist philosophers must be suppressed; the people simply don't know any better.

This appeal to spirit is not unique to Communism; we Fascists utilize it as well, but ours is not an ideology founded upon an illogical assumption of human nature built around an impossible utopian fantasy that is nigh achievable. We seek only to guide the people away from populist ignorance, protect our national heritage, and above all the spiritual purity and political sovereignty of our state. This is no impossible and has been achieved before. Communism, meanwhile, purports that humans can live together without issue if currency, the state, and class are all eliminated but we have seen that this is not only untrue but that even achieving any of the aforementioned is utterly impossible. Despite this - despite history - Communism still remains popular. Why? Because it does not appeal to logic, but to spirit. That is why it must be suppressed: logic can be defied, but the spirit cannot.

[Farnhamia]

It is good of you to resist the temptation of the easy shot at Herr Marx's work. Calling for the suppression of such a work tells me you are not particularly confident in the strength of your own principles, if the opposing ideas must be wiped out in this manner. Surely you're able to analyze The Communist Manifesto and point out its flaws. That's the best way to win over your opponents, not rounding up their books and setting fire to them.

This seems the most logical move, yes. But it is unrealistic and flawed. People are ignorant. The logic you prescribe to was used as an argument to justify keeping as much record of the Holocaust as possible, and yet people still deny it ever happened even with the literal mountain of evidence to suggest otherwise. Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers, etc. I can go on listing examples of willful ignorance. It is not about the strength of our beliefs, but about the intelligence of the one who is being taught them. Logic in the end fails to suppress heart. This is what led the masses to revolt against the Tsar and others, and gave the world the abominations that were the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Communist International, the Warsaw Pact, and so on and so forth. The illogical nature of Communism was not enough to deter the oppressed, the impoverished, and the disadvantaged from it because it did not appeal to their minds but to their hearts. That is why the works of Communist philosophers must be suppressed; the people simply don't know any better.

This appeal to spirit is not unique to Communism; we Fascists utilize it as well, but ours is not an ideology founded upon an illogical assumption of human nature built around an impossible utopian fantasy that is nigh achievable. We seek only to guide the people away from populist ignorance, protect our national heritage, and above all the spiritual purity and political sovereignty of our state. This is no impossible and has been achieved before. Communism, meanwhile, purports that humans can live together without issue if currency, the state, and class are all eliminated but we have seen that this is not only untrue but that even achieving any of the aforementioned is utterly impossible. Despite this - despite history - Communism still remains popular. Why? Because it does not appeal to logic, but to spirit. That is why it must be suppressed: logic can be defied, but the spirit cannot.

At least you're honest about you opinion of your fellow human beings. If Communism failed to achieve anything, neither did Fascism. Your guidance of the people would result in homogeneous societies forever afraid of their neighbors. I'll pass.

[Badb Catha]

This seems the most logical move, yes. But it is unrealistic and flawed. People are ignorant. The logic you prescribe to was used as an argument to justify keeping as much record of the Holocaust as possible, and yet people still deny it ever happened even with the literal mountain of evidence to suggest otherwise. Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers, etc. I can go on listing examples of willful ignorance. It is not about the strength of our beliefs, but about the intelligence of the one who is being taught them. Logic in the end fails to suppress heart. This is what led the masses to revolt against the Tsar and others, and gave the world the abominations that were the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the Communist International, the Warsaw Pact, and so on and so forth. The illogical nature of Communism was not enough to deter the oppressed, the impoverished, and the disadvantaged from it because it did not appeal to their minds but to their hearts. That is why the works of Communist philosophers must be suppressed; the people simply don't know any better.

This appeal to spirit is not unique to Communism; we Fascists utilize it as well, but ours is not an ideology founded upon an illogical assumption of human nature built around an impossible utopian fantasy that is nigh achievable. We seek only to guide the people away from populist ignorance, protect our national heritage, and above all the spiritual purity and political sovereignty of our state. This is no impossible and has been achieved before. Communism, meanwhile, purports that humans can live together without issue if currency, the state, and class are all eliminated but we have seen that this is not only untrue but that even achieving any of the aforementioned is utterly impossible. Despite this - despite history - Communism still remains popular. Why? Because it does not appeal to logic, but to spirit. That is why it must be suppressed: logic can be defied, but the spirit cannot.

At least you're honest about you opinion of your fellow human beings. If Communism failed to achieve anything, neither did Fascism. Your guidance of the people would result in homogeneous societies forever afraid of their neighbors. I'll pass.

It is not fear we seek to instill, but pride. The very pride intrinsic to our being. Not pride in ourselves, but in each other. We recognize - as Communists do - that the collective is the natural state of human society. Individualism is a disease whose only logical conclusion is objectivism, a truly undesirable end I am sure most can agree on. We differ only in manner of sense: the Communist believes the entire world can be one collective and function cohesively. We are not so naive; we recognize that, despite ourselves, humans are prone to distrust of those unlike themselves. It is one of the many ignorant natures of our very being. We work together best when we all share a common identity bound in our way of life, in our spirituality, and in our ancestry. Homogeneity is both logical and spiritual in this sense as it simply works. What reason would we have to fight if we all came from the same place, worshiped the same god, and practiced the same traditions? It is not about hating others or thinking of one's self as superior to others, but as celebrating one's self. This is the nation. This is the Fascist state. Where there is difference - cultural, ethnic, or religious - there is division and a divided nation is a weak nation. Multiculturalism is simply awful, to be blunt.

That is not say outsiders are unwelcome. They can become part of the nation, but they must conform in order to do so. Ancestry, while important, is not as vital as faith and culture in the end. A German of French culture is more French than a Frenchman of German culture, to put it simply.

[Farnhamia]

At least you're honest about you opinion of your fellow human beings. If Communism failed to achieve anything, neither did Fascism. Your guidance of the people would result in homogeneous societies forever afraid of their neighbors. I'll pass.

It is not fear we seek to instill, but pride. The very pride intrinsic to our being. Not pride in ourselves, but in each other. We recognize - as Communists do - that the collective is the natural state of human society. Individualism is a disease whose only logical conclusion is objectivism, a truly undesirable end I am sure most can agree on. We differ only in manner of sense: the Communist believes the entire world can be one collective and function cohesively. We are not so naive; we recognize that, despite ourselves, humans are prone to distrust of those unlike themselves. It is one of the many ignorant natures of our very being. We work together best when we all share a common identity bound in our way of life, in our spirituality, and in our ancestry. Homogeneity is both logical and spiritual in this sense as it simply works. What reason would we have to fight if we all came from the same place, worshiped the same god, and practiced the same traditions? It is not about hating others or thinking of one's self as superior to others, but as celebrating one's self. This is the nation. This is the Fascist state. Where there is difference - cultural, ethnic, or religious - there is division and a divided nation is a weak nation. Multiculturalism is simply awful, to be blunt.

That is not say outsiders are unwelcome. They can become part of the nation, but they must conform in order to do so. Ancestry, while important, is not as vital as faith and culture in the end. A German of French culture is more French than a Frenchman of German culture, to put it simply.

You can't maintain a monoculture except by making cultures that are not your own the Other. You recognize the tendency of some to dislike those unlike themselves, and you use that to exclude. A nation's culture should be inclusive, not exclusive. You don't want people to assimilate, you want them to homogenize. Again, thanks but no thanks.

[United Dependencies]

Did they purchase the books or did they take them from somewhere?

Unless they stole the books, I don't really care what private individuals do with their own books.

[Farnhamia]

Did they purchase the books or did they take them from somewhere?

Unless they stole the books, I don't really care what private individuals do with their own books.

These were "donations" from people who owned them, I believe. The article in the OP says something about "spring cleaning."

[United Dependencies]

Unfortunate that people would get rid of books, and it is certainly weird that they made a ritual out of it.