Is Ethnicity and Culture Equivalent?

[Diarcesia]

I asked a tangential question in another thread about the equivalence of race and culture and the response is personally, rather interesting. To summarize, I explained why I thought it's not and Nevv Vegas explained why it is.

I think that's a reflection of the White Race Culture's historical worldview: if I'm not the majority in my land, I'm screwed. Might is right. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Additionally, as a hypothetical situation if I'm not racially White, but I want to be culturally European because I agree with its positive aspects, am I cut off? Am I destined to be stuck with the culture I grew up with?

First, if a people in their land is a minority, they might as well as execute themselves, it's only gonna get worse.
Secondly, yes. You are stuck with it. A culture can adopt values from Europe to better its own, but you may not be a european.

On one hand, this explanation makes sense in the respect that one can't fully disassociate himself with his birth culture and yes, 'adopt values from Europe to better its own', like Japan. On the other hand, I feel that it's an easy justification for people to enact patently immoral policies on a spectrum between segregation and institutionalized discrimination to genocide and stealing land for 'living room'.

In my opinion, there is an overlap, maybe a large one at that, between race and culture. Additionally, there is enough room for members in an individual or familial basis to disown their own culture and adopt another one that they think is better.

What are your thoughts? How can we deal this tension while at the same time not stepping on the rights of others?

[Duhon]

Who gives a shit?

Culture is not a museum nor is it a series of hackneyed stereotypes, it is a byproduct of us doing our thing, caring for one another as best we can. If hurting others or cockblocking them from activities they enjoy harmlessly is part of one's precious culture, then fuck that culture.

[Estanglia]

They are not equivalent.

The inability or unwillingness for some to totally assimilate is not down to their ethnicity.

[Neutraligon]

They are not equivalent, just look at people who are raised by those who are not of their ethnicity (a Chinese infant raised by a white American in America for example).

[Soviet Computocracy]

The west should preserve it’s secularism and modern, progressive values, though I don’t care if it remains white. That being said, it would make sense to vet people, and otherwise educate them.

People from India don’t seem to have a hard time adapting.

[Saiwania]

It is equivalent in my view. Would Japan truly still be Japan, if it wasn't majority Japanese? I don't think so. Japanese at least managed to keep their nation Japanese, in spite of being fully conquered by Americans after a lost war.

[Soviet Computocracy]

Would Japan truly still be Japan, if it wasn't majority Japanese? I don't think so.

I think if you imported weeaboos and taught them Shinto or whatever they’d do their best.

[The New California Republic]

If existence precedes essence, then taking someone at birth of a different ethnicity and placing them into another culture for their entire life will mean that the person will adopt said culture, even though their ethnicity remains different. And this is proven by people of a different ethnicity (let's say Han Chinese for argument's sake) who have been adopted at birth and taken to a different culture (the United States for instance) adopting the culture of the latter. If ethnicity and culture were one and the same, then such a thing would be impossible.

[Telconi]

Not at all, there is literally no causal connection.

[Dooom35796821595]

It is equivalent in my view. Would Japan truly still be Japan, if it wasn't majority Japanese? I don't think so. Japanese at least managed to keep their nation Japanese, in spite of being fully conquered by Americans after a lost war.

Culture is ever changing, Japan today is not the Imperial Japan of the 20th century, and will CTE if it doesn’t fix its demographic problems.

[United Dependencies]

They are not equivalent, just look at people who are raised by those who are not of their ethnicity (a Chinese infant raised by a white American in America for example).

Consider also, immigrants.

This is really all that need be said on the issue.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

They are not equivalent, just look at people who are raised by those who are not of their ethnicity (a Chinese infant raised by a white American in America for example).

Or African-American children raised by white adoptive parents in the US still having lower IQ scores than white children raised by white adoptive parents, for example

[Estanglia]

They are not equivalent, just look at people who are raised by those who are not of their ethnicity (a Chinese infant raised by a white American in America for example).

Or African-American children raised by white adoptive parents in the US still having lower IQ scores than white children raised by white adoptive parents, for example

[Citation Needed]

[San Lumen]

It is equivalent in my view. Would Japan truly still be Japan, if it wasn't majority Japanese? I don't think so. Japanese at least managed to keep their nation Japanese, in spite of being fully conquered by Americans after a lost war.

Yes. Japan is a country that was created. It is what we make it. Is London no longer British because its majority non white at this point?

Is Baltimore less American because its a majority black city?

Who cares about race? Its a social construct. Scientifically its completely meaningless. The reason some people are darker than others is due to the amount and angle of the sunlight hence why someone from Sudan or Vietnam is going to be darker than someone in Britan.

I may have oversimplified it a bit but that's the gist.

[The New California Republic]

They are not equivalent, just look at people who are raised by those who are not of their ethnicity (a Chinese infant raised by a white American in America for example).

Or African-American children raised by white adoptive parents in the US still having lower IQ scores than white children raised by white adoptive parents, for example

Intelligence and culture are not interchangeable words, so why are you treating them as such?

[Krasny-Volny]

In this day and age, we now have cultures unique to extremely ethnically diverse nations like Brazil. There is a very distinct Brazilian-Lusophone culture shared by people of every ethnic background imaginable whose only other common deninator is their country of origin. In the US it's not nearly as universal but it's still there.

[Neanderthaland]

It's occasionally possible to treat the two as synonymous and not have it blow up in your face. The recent trend towards Nation States has made this easier.

But generally, no. An ethnic Russian raised in France by French parents will probably have French culture. And will probably not have some instinctive love of borscht and salted herring.

[Diarcesia]

Or African-American children raised by white adoptive parents in the US still having lower IQ scores than white children raised by white adoptive parents, for example

[Citation Needed]

Even granted for the sake of argument that this is fact, one must not forget that research is being done whether stress can be inherited across generations.

[Hurdergaryp]

It is equivalent in my view. Would Japan truly still be Japan, if it wasn't majority Japanese? I don't think so. Japanese at least managed to keep their nation Japanese, in spite of being fully conquered by Americans after a lost war.

Culture is ever changing, Japan today is not the Imperial Japan of the 20th century, and will CTE if it doesn’t fix its demographic problems.

Or become the first nation with more self-aware intelligent machines than humans, given Japan's tendency to apply robotics to any problems the nation may encounter.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

Intelligence and culture are not interchangeable words, so why are you treating them as such?

You're right, but I was making the point that certain behavioural aspects of people and peoples, individually and as a whole, are influenced by their genetics, and that even if you raise X person in Y culture, their inherent ethnic traits will still play a role in the formation of their personality

[Diarcesia]

It is equivalent in my view. Would Japan truly still be Japan, if it wasn't majority Japanese? I don't think so. Japanese at least managed to keep their nation Japanese, in spite of being fully conquered by Americans after a lost war.

Is London no longer British because its majority non white at this point?

Arguably it is a yes if their cultural identity is also contingent on ethnic homogeneity, as in they define their own culture as "our British culture demands that you must be majorly descended from the Anglo-Saxons who arrived in 400 AD to be a member of it."

This response is inspired by Habsburg gang

[Internationalist Bastard]

No
They’re related in that you’re more likely to embrace the culture of the people who raise you but they are completely different things

[Dooom35796821595]

Culture is ever changing, Japan today is not the Imperial Japan of the 20th century, and will CTE if it doesn’t fix its demographic problems.

Or become the first nation with more self-aware intelligent machines than humans, given Japan's tendency to apply robotics to any problems the nation may encounter.

Yeah, I doubt developing skynet will help Japans prospect for survival.

[The New California Republic]

Intelligence and culture are not interchangeable words, so why are you treating them as such?

You're right, but I was making the point that certain behavioural aspects of people and peoples, individually and as a whole, are influenced by their genetics, and that even if you raise X person in Y culture, their inherent ethnic traits will still play a role in the formation of their personality

Sure, but again culture and intelligence aren't interchangeable; culture itself isn't genetic.

[Free Land of The Free Land of Freedo]

Even granted for the sake of argument that this is fact, one must not forget that research is being done whether stress can be inherited across generations.

If that's the reason for why African Americans have on average lower IQs, why do Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs than non Jewish white people? I'd argue they've had a very stressful time as a people.