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Is Fascism Inevitable in the Future of the West?

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Western Vale Confederacy
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:27 pm

Duhon wrote:
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And they say I was a whacko for idolizing Salazar...


To be fair, when have I stopped?


Salazar > First Republic

Any day of the goddamn week.

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Steos
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Postby Steos » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:30 pm

i think it can go on the rise with more lower class people being pushed out it puts a lot of people in the position to go with anything that will help them get back what that upper class stole from them it puts the blame on another group will I think it can it most likely can not because of what it would need to gain power though with how America and the west is right now we cant be so sure at some point it might happen we just need to be prepared for the worst
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Postby Kubra » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:33 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:If by fascism, you mean whatever third world big man caudilloism eventually takes form when the West's demographics go to shit, then yeah, fascism.
Are we not going to talk the irony of a guy saying the end of the west is going to be caudillismo
like do you know what language that's from
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:45 pm

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Fascism is only inevitable if Capitalism is not uprooted. Socialism or Barbarism.

Funny thing is the fact that many socialists engage in barbarism. Even engaging in it more so than most of their enemies.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:51 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:Fascism is only inevitable if Capitalism is not uprooted. Socialism or Barbarism.

Funny thing is the fact that many socialists engage in barbarism. Even engaging in it more so than most of their enemies.


You: "Death to Socialism! Death to religion!"

Also you: "Ackshually, it's the Socialists who are barbaric!!1!"
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:55 pm

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Funny thing is the fact that many socialists engage in barbarism. Even engaging in it more so than most of their enemies.


You: "Death to Socialism! Death to religion!"

Also you: "Ackshually, it's the Socialists who are barbaric!!1!"

It's a motto on a sig, fam. It's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just saying he dislikes Socialism and religion.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:58 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You: "Death to Socialism! Death to religion!"

Also you: "Ackshually, it's the Socialists who are barbaric!!1!"

It's a motto on a sig, fam. It's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just saying he dislikes Socialism and religion.


Ah, right, I forgot that this is one of those 5D Chess things where words don't actually mean what they're saying.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:03 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You: "Death to Socialism! Death to religion!"

Also you: "Ackshually, it's the Socialists who are barbaric!!1!"

It's a motto on a sig, fam. It's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just saying he dislikes Socialism and religion.

This ^^

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Funny thing is the fact that many socialists engage in barbarism. Even engaging in it more so than most of their enemies.


You: "Death to Socialism! Death to religion!"

Also you: "Ackshually, it's the Socialists who are barbaric!!1!"

Unlike my ideology, yours killed more people than the Nazis. My ideology doesn't shove people into labor camps, while yours has done that in the past, and even has some adherents that defend such conduct. Some "libertarian" rebranding of socialism doesn't change that.

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Postby Kubra » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:07 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's a motto on a sig, fam. It's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just saying he dislikes Socialism and religion.

This ^^

Torrocca wrote:
You: "Death to Socialism! Death to religion!"

Also you: "Ackshually, it's the Socialists who are barbaric!!1!"

Unlike my ideology, yours killed more people than the Nazis. My ideology doesn't shove people into labor camps, while yours has done that in the past, and even has some adherents that defend such conduct. Some "libertarian" rebranding of socialism doesn't change that.
there were capitalists who did some really rude things m8, which I will ascribe to you personally.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:09 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Unlike my ideology, yours killed more people than the Nazis.


Last I checked, A) I'm not a Marxist-Leninist and B) the Black Book of Communism isn't a valid historical work.

My ideology doesn't shove people into labor camps, while yours has done that in the past,


Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.

and even has some adherents that defend such conduct.


Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.

Some "libertarian" rebranding of socialism doesn't change that.


Lol, imagine being this fucking stuck on ideology that you can't possibly see nuance in a fucking massive ideological group that encompasses half of the entirety of the political spectrum lmao.
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:17 pm

Maybe not full blown fascism, but third positionist corporatism probably will and should continue to grow in opposition to both free market capitalism and socialism.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:21 pm

Kanadorika wrote:Maybe not full blown fascism, but third positionist corporatism probably will and should continue to grow in opposition to both free market capitalism and socialism.

Why should?
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:23 pm

Kowani wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Maybe not full blown fascism, but third positionist corporatism probably will and should continue to grow in opposition to both free market capitalism and socialism.

Why should?

Well, in my own beliefs at least, Capitalism is inefficient in distributing resources and socialism is inefficient in creating resources. Mild corporatism already works rather well in modern Europe. (The same places most Americans; right and left, think are Socialist)
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:27 pm

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Unlike my ideology, yours killed more people than the Nazis.


Last I checked, A) I'm not a Marxist-Leninist and B) the Black Book of Communism isn't a valid historical work.

My ideology doesn't shove people into labor camps, while yours has done that in the past,


Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.

and even has some adherents that defend such conduct.


Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.

Some "libertarian" rebranding of socialism doesn't change that.


Lol, imagine being this fucking stuck on ideology that you can't possibly see nuance in a fucking massive ideological group that encompasses half of the entirety of the political spectrum lmao.

No, I'm sick of giving communists the benefit of the doubt. Almost every single time I meet a communist who claimed to believe in rights for dissidents, they were usually liars. I've even encountered someone who scored as a "libertarian-leftist", but was quick to defend North Korea. Communists tend to spew bullshit, and I woke up from it.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:29 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Last I checked, A) I'm not a Marxist-Leninist and B) the Black Book of Communism isn't a valid historical work.



Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.



Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.



Lol, imagine being this fucking stuck on ideology that you can't possibly see nuance in a fucking massive ideological group that encompasses half of the entirety of the political spectrum lmao.

No, I'm sick of giving communists the benefit of the doubt. Almost every single time I meet a communist who claimed to believe in rights for dissidents, they were usually liars. I've even encountered someone who scored as a "libertarian-leftist", but was quick to defend North Korea. Communists tend to spew bullshit, and I woke up from it.

Torra’s an anarchist, mate.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:30 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Last I checked, A) I'm not a Marxist-Leninist and B) the Black Book of Communism isn't a valid historical work.



Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.



Last I checked, I'm still not a Marxist-Leninist.



Lol, imagine being this fucking stuck on ideology that you can't possibly see nuance in a fucking massive ideological group that encompasses half of the entirety of the political spectrum lmao.

No, I'm sick of giving communists the benefit of the doubt.


Lol. Looks like you got me. I totally love Stalin and Mao and Kim Il Sung and I intend to gulag you. :roll:
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Postby Kanadorika » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:32 pm

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, I'm sick of giving communists the benefit of the doubt.


Lol. Looks like you got me. I totally love Stalin and Mao and Kim Il Sung and I intend to gulag you. :roll:

Let's face it Ancoms would be the first to get sent to the gulag.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:33 pm

Torrocca wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:No, I'm sick of giving communists the benefit of the doubt.


Lol. Looks like you got me. I totally love Stalin and Mao and Kim Il Sung and I intend to gulag you. :roll:
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:34 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Lol. Looks like you got me. I totally love Stalin and Mao and Kim Il Sung and I intend to gulag you. :roll:

Let's face it Ancoms would be the first to get sent to the gulag.


Good thing I'm *rips off mask* Literal Stalin, then!

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Torrocca wrote:
Lol. Looks like you got me. I totally love Stalin and Mao and Kim Il Sung and I intend to gulag you. :roll:
the jig is up, tovarisch


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Postby Hanafuridake » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:37 pm

Kanadorika wrote:Maybe not full blown fascism, but third positionist corporatism probably will and should continue to grow in opposition to both free market capitalism and socialism.


The most popular form of corporatism at the moment is fully wedded to free market capitalism (the Nordic democracies). Fascist corporatism won't become mainstream again, nor should it.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:38 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Maybe not full blown fascism, but third positionist corporatism probably will and should continue to grow in opposition to both free market capitalism and socialism.


The most popular form of corporatism at the moment is fully wedded to free market capitalism (the Nordic democracies). Fascist corporatism won't become mainstream again, nor should it.

This. This is a good post. I wish we had a like button.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:38 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Let's face it Ancoms would be the first to get sent to the gulag.


Good thing I'm *rips off mask* Literal Stalin, then!

Kubra wrote: the jig is up, tovarisch


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:39 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:It's a motto on a sig, fam. It's not meant to be taken seriously, it's just saying he dislikes Socialism and religion.


Ah, right, I forgot that this is one of those 5D Chess things where words don't actually mean what they're saying.

It's one of those 5D chess things called embellishment everyone does it.
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:40 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Ah, right, I forgot that this is one of those 5D Chess things where words don't actually mean what they're saying.

It's one of those 5D chess things called embellishment everyone does it.


I don't.

Kubra wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Good thing I'm *rips off mask* Literal Stalin, then!



To penal battalion with you, tovarisch. Za Rodinu!
nyet, tovarisch. It is you who revealed us, wrecker. I hear Kolyma is nice this time of year, very nice.


You can't gulag comrade Stalin, that is counterrevolutionary and fascist!
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:40 pm

Kowani wrote:Torra’s an anarchist, mate.

So? Most forms of communism supposedly seek the abolition of the state.

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